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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
This is why I would prefer to keep her in SD. She can learn how to be a responsible mage while helping in the Houses of Healing.

What she did was wrong, but not completely unjustified. She's not an irredeemable monster, after all.

I don't think sending her to Volantis is going to do much to educate or reform her, @Azel, except maybe sharpen her edges and teach her how to more thoroughly engage in magical politics, neither of which is really advantageous for us.
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Agreed, it seem to me the best possibility is taking her away from her family, it's not a good environment for her, even with the sister gone the mother is still abusive, which just feed her resentment, and make her more likely to use magic in anger.

And Volantis is absolutely not the right place to let her recover, magic intrigue is at a height there, either SD simply because it's the center of magical learning, and so it's probably the place she will like best, or Mantarys, because the Archon ruled place is ideal for teaching morals.
 
[X] Tempered Response
-[X] Gently draw the circumstances that drove her to bespell her sister from Teora to see to what, if any, degree her acts are mitigated.
-[X] Share with Teora exactly why what she has done is wrong, and what paths we have seen people go down who have started similarly.
-[X] Speak with Vaela, get her side of things. Make sure we have a fair accounting. Depending on the severity of Vaela's actions, ensure she knows we're disappointed at the lack of familial care.
-[X] Inform Teora that she has a debt to repay, and that one option is by serving the Realm for the duration that her sister was compelled for.
-[X] The pleasantness of Teora's service will depend on how bad her circumstances were, and how repentant she is. Sliding scale from frontier outpost on the arse end of nowhere to education in Sorcerer's Deep.
-[X] Goal here is to be as fair as possible, taking into account the seriousness of Teora's actions as well as what drove her to it.


I've got no idea if this is the correct layout for a plan, but it looks well enough.
 
Goldfish said:
My plan isn't much different from Azel's but it just keeps Teora closer and doesn't pawn her off on to Zherys for him to handle. It also makes better use of her abilities.
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No, your plan also involves potentially telling more people the secret we very much want kept.

Also, why do we care about one more Mystic in SD?
 
Azel said:
This is nonsense. If she was an adult, male slaver getting rid of his older sibling, you would be baying for his blood. She is as guilty as you can get and no amount of bad home life can justify this.
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No I would not, I might want him dead for being a slaver, but getting rid of an abusive sibling in a non-lethal way, wouldn't be why I would want him dead.
 
[X] Tempered Response
-[X] Gently draw the circumstances that drove her to bespell her sister from Teora to see to what, if any, degree her acts are mitigated.
-[X] Share with Teora exactly why what she has done is wrong, and what paths we have seen people go down who have started similarly.
-[X] Speak with Vaela, get her side of things. Make sure we have a fair accounting. Depending on the severity of Vaela's actions, ensure she knows we're disappointed at the lack of familial care.
-[X] Inform Teora that she has a debt to repay, and that one option is by serving the Realm for the duration that her sister was compelled for.
-[X] The pleasantness of Teora's service will depend on how bad her circumstances were, and how repentant she is. Sliding scale from frontier outpost on the arse end of nowhere to education in Sorcerer's Deep.
-[X] Goal here is to be as fair as possible, taking into account the seriousness of Teora's actions as well as what drove her to it.
 
tarrangar said:
No I would not, I might want him dead for being a slaver, but getting rid of an abusive sibling in a non-lethal way, wouldn't be why I would want him dead.
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So you are fine with people mindcontrolling others for their personal goals?

Good to know.


Seriously people. This is a legal matter. A crime was committed and the culprit needs sentencing. As far as punishment goes, banishment to Volantis and getting taught by a decent mage is very bloody lenient.
 
tarrangar said:
No I would not, I might want him dead for being a slaver, but getting rid of an abusive sibling in a non-lethal way, wouldn't be why I would want him dead.
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What? She planned and executed the mind controlling of her sister into losing her inheritance. Oh, and her mother as well. This is a crime people. One that is morally less defensible then slavery.
 
Azel said:
No, your plan also involves potentially telling more people the secret we very much want kept.

Also, why do we care about one more Mystic in SD?
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Huh? Where does it say that? I edited any sharing out less than a minute after posting it.

My current plan shares that information with no one unless Teora herself is stupid enough to turn down our generous offer and choose her mother's mercy instead.
 
Goldfish said:
Huh? Where does it say that? I edited any sharing out less than a minute after posting it.

My current plan shares that information with no one unless Teora herself is stupid enough to turn down our generous offer and choose her mother's mercy instead.
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Something I still very much do not want.

Would you be willing to consolidate if instead of Volantys, I'm sending her to Draconys with a Scholarium Mystic as a minder?
 
Azel said:
So you are fine with people mindcontrolling others for their personal goals?

Good to know.


Seriously people. This is a legal matter. A crime was committed and the culprit needs sentencing. As far as punishment goes, banishment to Volantis and getting taught by a decent mage is very bloody lenient.
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Why do it have to be Volantis though? She's not the kind of mage who will benefit from learning there, and Volantis environment, is unlikely to make her less inclined towards scheming.
Azurath said:
What? She planned and executed the mind controlling of her sister into losing her inheritance. Oh, and her mother as well. This is a crime people. One that is morally less defensible then slavery.
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The Sister abused her first, I'm of the opinion, that if you treat your family like shit, you don't get to be outraged when they betray you.
 
tarrangar said:
Why do it have to be Volantis though? She's not the kind of mage who will benefit from learning there, and Volantis environment, is unlikely to make her less inclined towards scheming.

The Sister abused her first, I'm of the opinion, that if you treat your family like shit, you don't get to be outraged when they betray you.
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This stance is insane for a ruler.

The younger sister still broke the law and absolutely shouldn't be rewarded for it.
 
tarrangar said:
Why do it have to be Volantis though? She's not the kind of mage who will benefit from learning there, and Volantis environment, is unlikely to make her less inclined towards scheming.

The Sister abused her first, I'm of the opinion, that if you treat your family like shit, you don't get to be outraged when they betray you.
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Does mistreating someone entail them to everything you own, and the violation of your mind? Her actions speak louder then words. Once she had the power to do so, instead of seeking freedom from her family, she mind controlled them into doing her will.
 
Goldfish said:
Huh? Where does it say that? I edited any sharing out less than a minute after posting it.

My current plan shares that information with no one unless Teora herself is stupid enough to turn down our generous offer and choose her mother's mercy instead.
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That's a problem. Why are you being generous with her? This is basically rewarding a criminal when the point is to punish her.
 
Azel said:
Ok, no. I'm not jumping on the train of people making excuses for her by sending her to Yrael.


Reminder her that if her home life was oh so dreadful, she could have done exactly the same as her sister and run off to do adventuring. She didn't though. She wanted the lordship.
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Draconys will work then.
 
Azel said:
Ok, no. I'm not jumping on the train of people making excuses for her by sending her to Yrael.


Reminder her that if her home life was oh so dreadful, she could have done exactly the same as her sister and run off to do adventuring. She didn't though. She wanted the lordship.
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And really fucked over her sister, by sending her on the most dangerous profession of their age. It's the modern equivalent of using mind altering drugs on your older sibling, then having them become a soldier of fortune so that you can inherit.
 
Updating plan to Draconys:

[X] Plan Lay Out The Facts
-[X] Revealing this matter in public and punishing her in accordance with the gravity of her betrayal and violation of her own kin would be politically inconvenient to you.
-[X] Therefore, she will stay in SD for the afternoon, admit to dabbling in magic and after a fortunate turn of events will leave a favorable impression with a Mystic, who will offer to teach her, though she will have to go to Draconys with him.
-[X] You will of course help her to convince her mother what a great opportunity that is.
-[X] Make it absolutely clear that this is not leniency or the result of any fondness for her. This is politically more convenient then having her tried and hanged for illegal mindcontrol and ursupation.
-[X] You will never hear from her again. No troubles. No questionable behaviour. The mage will make sure of it.
-[X] Contact Teana to find a Mystic to tutor her. Someone who is trustworthy, discreet, and can deal with her if she tries anything like this again.
-[X] Proceed to talk with the elder daughter and convince her to go home and resume her duties as heiress.
 
Azel said:
Because the point isn't to bloody reward her, but to toss her somewhere where people are equipped to deal with her attacks on them.
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She's very unlikely to actually attack anyone, she has done it once, in response to lifelong abuse, she's unlikely to do it again, if she's in an environment, where she's not being abused.
Duesal said:
This stance is insane for a ruler.

The younger sister still broke the law and absolutely shouldn't be rewarded for it.
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Yes she shouldn't be rewarded for it, what I'm saying is that I'm not feeling much sympathy for the older sister, and consider the abuse a mitigating circumstance, that mean a mild punishment instead of a harsh one is appropriate.
 
As a note, I will point out about Vonilda Ambrose who put compulsions on her whole family. Now the situations are different here as Vonilda did not want to marry a rapist and didn't send anyone on the adventurer's path and this girl compelled her sister to risk her life and attempted to usurp the lordship.

edit: Abuse or not she attempted to have her sister killed.
 
Duesal said:
That's a problem. Why are you being generous with her? This is basically rewarding a criminal when the point is to punish her.
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I'm not really being generous with her, though. Not overly harsh, either, to be fair. My plan sends her to school and forces her to do community service for two years, with her eventual fate determined by her behavior and what she learns. Sure, it's not imprisonment or torture, but it's not exactly an extended spa visit, either.

Doesn't matter now, though, as Azel's compromise vote works well enough for me. I just couldn't get past sending her to Volantis.

[X] Azel
 
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