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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, regarding the Shadow Crafted Mind Blanks:

1. Does it stack with normal and psionic Mind Blank the way normal can stack with psionic?
2. Is this the kind of crafting available to the Orphne Court?
3. What exactly is the difference here? Is the only difference a weakness to the Bloodstone Emperor or are there other things?
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If tapping into a specific type of planar energy makes for a significantly different enchantment, then we might be able to research more variants based off of these.

A mindblank fueled by the barely contained energies of limbo would be a fun challenge for anyone poking Viserys' brain.

Might be worth keeping them around even if we can't use them directly.
 
egoo said:
... @Goldfish, I understand it will be painful, but I'd really rather feed them all to Yss for 2-3 non-shitty versions.

The moment the people of his know we got these Mindblanks...
Well, I wouldn't miss the chance to fuck with whomever gets these from our hands.
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No worries there, dude. Until we understand exactly what "Shadowforged" means, I am considering anything with that descriptor to be cursed.
Artemis1992 said:
Now that's really treating him like a vending machine.

Seems thematically terrible to have it done like that, would much prefer crafting-work or something else.
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Agreed. Yss isn't for recycling relatively common magical items or a dubious nature into safer versions.

Worst case, we now have a whole lot of stuff to fuel rituals which can consume magical items, such as the Day of Change ritual to grow Heart Trees. At 15th caster level per Mind Blank, that's 120 caster levels alone. The 41 Shadowforged PfG amulets are good for another 41 caster levels. I'm not sure what the caster level of the 13 Pendants of Warding and 5 Greater Unholy Symbols of Tiamat is, but each should be fairly high based on the bonus amounts.
 
We've just had a few weeks OOC and few days IC of intense combat and danger. Let's take the subtle route here, the one least likely to attract the attention of something we aren't ready to tangle with.

[X] Tor's Shadow Walk (Subtle but an indirect approach)
-[X] Dany casts Reached Chained Soul Vault and Bloodstone Mirror spells on everyone using Inspired Spell before the group departs
 
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BronzeTongue said:
If tapping into a specific type of planar energy makes for a significantly different enchantment, then we might be able to research more variants based off of these.

A mindblank fueled by the barely contained energies of limbo would be a fun challenge for anyone poking Viserys' brain.

Might be worth keeping them around even if we can't use them directly.
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That's pretty much what I was thinking. I want @DragonParadox to confirm what different kinds of Mind Blanks are available and the different benefits and drawbacks of each, and I'd also like to know what we have to do to get access to different ones.
 
[X] Tor's Shadow Walk (Subtle but an indirect approach)

Yeah, no need to blow our cover. Also I would live to see how the Shadow looks
 
[X] Goldfish

so do we know if Lizzerith is one of the dragons we have a track on and if not does Aedon know where she might have gone? she seems like one of the smarter reds out there all things told
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, what's the difference between shadowforged Mind Blank and regular or psionic Mind Blank? Do they stack or something?
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They are made with shadow magic so yes they stack, but the latter are also likely to be uniquely vulnerable to the Bloodstone Emperor and his minions seeing as they are the source.

Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, regarding the Shadow Crafted Mind Blanks:

1. Does it stack with normal and psionic Mind Blank the way normal can stack with psionic?
2. Is this the kind of crafting available to the Orphne Court?
3. What exactly is the difference here? Is the only difference a weakness to the Bloodstone Emperor or are there other things?
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  1. They do
  2. No, the Orphne do not have a caster skilled enough to make them
  3. See above, different kind of magic
 
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Artemis1992 said:
[X] Tor's Shadow Walk (Subtle but an indirect approach)
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Andy0915 said:
[X] Tor's Shadow Walk (Subtle but an indirect approach)
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Tomcost said:
[X] Tor's Shadow Walk (Subtle but an indirect approach)

Yeah, no need to blow our cover. Also I would live to see how the Shadow looks
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I made an addition to the default vote to add a couple of @BronzeTongue's suggested spells before setting off into the Shadowlands.
 
DragonParadox said:
They are made with shadow magic so yes they stack, but the latter are also likely to be uniquely vulnerable to the Bloodstone Emperor and his minions seeing as they are the source.
  1. They do
  2. No, the Orphne do not have a caster skilled enough to make them
  3. See above, different kind of magic
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Huh, I didn't expect them to stack. That "uniquely vulnerable" qualifier worries me, though. It's one thing if they simply don't work against the Bloodstone Emperor and some of his minions, but another thing entirely if they serve as conduits for their power, tracking beacons, or something else shady (punny!).

Too bad none of our Companions have free ring slots for an additional Mind Blank. If we want to give these to any of our important people, ya'll, it's going to take a while to upgrade one of their current rings to be slotless before they can benefit from these.
 
DragonParadox said:
They are made with shadow magic so yes they stack, but the latter are also likely to be uniquely vulnerable to the Bloodstone Emperor and his minions seeing as they are the source.
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@DragonParadox, what other kinds of Mind Blanks are there that we're aware of? Also, how does this particular magic compare to what the Orphne Court can make? Do they make fey-forged Mind Blanks or would theirs also be shadow-forged?

This is meant to be a theoretical for if they had a caster strong enough. I assumed they did since they can do that anti-god ward and that's not too far off from Mind Blank.

@DragonParadox, if the anti-god ward isn't strong as Mind Blank, how strong does a crafter need to be to learn it? Could Anu or Leila learn it? Could Valeria the Wondersmith learn it?
 
You guys are sure about foing it the "slow" way?
Clerics may move on and we won't have as good an idea where they are as now.

It also puts us vack on the timer with dealing with Shadow Fortress.

Run-and-gun is objectively a workable way of dealing with this.
 
egoo said:
You guys are sure about foing it the "slow" way?
Clerics may move on and we won't have as good an idea where they are as now.

It also puts us vack on the timer with dealing with Shadow Fortress.

Run-and-gun is objectively a workable way of dealing with this.
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He almost seems relieved to see your attention and Dany's turn towards the Shadow Fortress before heading east. Destruction, even on the scale the echoes of the Doom can work, is something he is far more familiar with.

feels like this means we alreaddy exploded the place
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, what other kinds of Mind Blanks are there that we're aware of? Also, how does this particular magic compare to what the Orphne Court can make? Do they make fey-forged Mind Blanks or would theirs also be shadow-forged?

This is meant to be a theoretical for if they had a caster strong enough. I assumed they did since they can do that anti-god ward and that's not too far off from Mind Blank.

@DragonParadox, if the anti-god ward isn't strong as Mind Blank, how strong does a crafter need to be to learn it? Could Anu or Leila learn it? Could Valeria the Wondersmith learn it?
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  1. Psionic, Shadowcraft, Chi-based (maybe you need to learn more about Yi Ti). There may be other unusual traditions around
  2. The ward is not a matter of strength but subtlety, you have to be a shadow fey to make one
 
So I had a thought on the dragon stuff. We can force outsiders to show up in a circle if it's put together properly, but that's based on the type of circle spell correct? An inverted circle against evil can't hold an angel or and ifrit.

Could we use Thaumaturgic circle to make a circle against dragon [insert color here] and summon the ones that are off plane? Could we do that for the clerics? It says outsider subtypes, but everyone gets the outsider subtype when away from their home plane.
 
BronzeTongue said:
So I had a thought on the dragon stuff. We can force outsiders to show up in a circle if it's put together properly, but that's based on the type of circle spell correct? An inverted circle against evil can't hold an angel or and ifrit.

Could we use Thaumaturgic circle to make a circle against dragon [insert color here] and summon the ones that are off plane? Could we do that for the clerics? It says outsider subtypes, but everyone gets the outsider subtype when away from their home plane.
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Not really no, the calling of an outsider and the circle are two distinct acts of magic. It's entirely posibile to call an Outsider with no circle if you trust them. More broadly the reason you can call Outsiders, but not say giants or dragons has to do with their nature. Outsiders are by their nature souls that have been transmuted by some fundamental force of the cosmos. When you summon a demon you invoke primordial chaos and ruin, invite it in. There is no such primal force that has dominion over dragons (much as Tiamat would disagree)
 
New loot added to the Armory. For right now, I'm not considering anything but the Greater Unholy Symbols of Tiamat to be cursed, so the other items are in their appropriate sections.

I hope we soon get a look at the augmented Staff of Power the Volantene mage twins were wielding, @DragonParadox?
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Mar 1, 2020 at 2:02 PM, finished with 37 posts and 10 votes.
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