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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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So, this guy, dangerous as he is, has already used his actions this round, immediate and regular both.
And he seems to be behind our friends in the initiative order. I give Tyene and Waymar good odds to finish him before he can break the staff.

At most I'd say leave Dany to help them, while Viserys casts his Earthquake and Richard stays ready to murderize the possibly teleporting brother.
 
[X] Plan Angelic Interrupt
-[X] Viserys uses the group's Telepathic Bond to hurriedly tell Tyene to cast a Quickened Greater Angelic Aspect spell and get within range of the possessed Shugenja. Waymar will Quickcast a Dimension Door to get her close enough, if necessary. The double-sized Magic Circle Against Evil effect will immediately purge the possessing mage from the Shugenja.
-[X] Lya will use Celerity and Maze to temporarily shunt the possessed Shugenja out of our Plane of existence if Tyene and Waymar are not quick enough.
-[X] Continue on with the plan to Earthquake the Golden Company safe house to hedge out the mages hiding within.
 
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On the topic of Meraxes, how much do you think it would cost to have Yss reincarnate her? She's still basically dead, and rebirth is a key part of his story. We've already seen him do something like that with Zathir, so he might be able to let her start over without all those messy links to the 15th or her old deals with Hell.

edit: It even sort of fits with his trade/commerce stuff. This is the divine version of declaring bankruptcy and starting over.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
On the topic of Meraxes, how much do you think it would cost to have Yss reincarnate her? She's still basically dead, and rebirth is a key part of his story. We've already seen him do something like that with Zathir, so he might be able to let her start over without all those messy links to the 15th or her old deals with Hell.
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I don't think that's possible. Sure, with enough food and a large enough funnel Yss could probably catalyze Meraxes full rebirth, at least into a lesser deity, but I don't believe he can break the metaphysical ties which bind her to the 15th quite so easily.
 
@Goldfish, your plan feels like it's losing sight of the objective, which was to capture this guy without having to enter the house.

[X] Stop messing around and just capture them already
-[X] Viserys casts Project Image, making the image appear somewhere hidden from view. If it's possible to use Miracle to make the Image look like a Luminary, he does so. The idea is to be able to intervene without revealing our position.
-[X] Viserys uses his belt of battle to make the Image cast an Amber Sacrophagus (from another angle, of course, so that they don't know we were in that building all along). If that fails, Celerity and do it again.
-[X] If that fails again, follow Goldfish's plan or something.
 
BronzeTongue said:
On the topic of Meraxes, how much do you think it would cost to have Yss reincarnate her? She's still basically dead, and rebirth is a key part of his story. We've already seen him do something like that with Zathir, so he might be able to let her start over without all those messy links to the 15th or her old deals with Hell.
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That seems like dangerous business, because Gods don't die easily or without consequences.
Zathir reincarnated himself, without Yss actions, because that was part of his nature.

I think this might, potentially, work, but there would be other effects too, like an Undead Meraxes (with our without 15th-control) rising from her remains while we have the reborn and weak version.
To be clear, I'm not against creating undead gods, but not on accident.

Of course that's just one thing that could go wrong, other options would be her stolen domains going back to Tiamat when she dies, or Asmodeus interfering because he can and he's a bastard.
 
BronzeTongue said:
On the topic of Meraxes, how much do you think it would cost to have Yss reincarnate her? She's still basically dead, and rebirth is a key part of his story. We've already seen him do something like that with Zathir, so he might be able to let her start over without all those messy links to the 15th or her old deals with Hell.

edit: It even sort of fits with his trade/commerce stuff. This is the divine version of declaring bankruptcy and starting over.
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Even if it were possible it would likely be expensive as fuck. We'd be squaring off against Asmodeus for that.
Goldfish said:
I don't think that's possible. Sure, with enough food and a large enough funnel Yss could probably catalyze Meraxes full rebirth, at least into a lesser deity, but I don't believe he can break the metaphysical ties which bind her to the 15th quite so easily.
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Agreed. I think we should just stick to the plan of dealing with the Fifteenth first and foremost before attempting to resurrect any of the Fourteen.
 
Goldfish said:
I don't think that's possible. Sure, with enough food and a large enough funnel Yss could probably catalyze Meraxes full rebirth, at least into a lesser deity, but I don't believe he can break the metaphysical ties which bind her to the 15th quite so easily.
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I think it's more dependent on the mechanism than the strength. When he reincarnates people it seems more like a true new beginning, the same soul given a new interpretation.

If that's the case then the deals would slide off because the person isn't the same anymore, similar to how a ritual of renaming would nix true name attacks based on the old name instead of the new one.

If what he does is more like a reincarnate spell writ large then it wouldn't help, but given how the last god he did this to actually changed their own name afterwards it seems deeper than a superficial body shift.
 
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BronzeTongue said:
I think it's more dependent on the mechanism than the strength. When he reincarnates people it seems more like a true new beginning, the same soul given a new interpretation.

If that's the case then the deals would slide off because the person isn't the same anymore, similar to how a ritual of renaming would nix true name attacks based on the old name instead of the new one.

If what he does is more like a reincarnate spell writ large than it wouldn't help, but given how the last god he did this to actually changed their own name afterwards it seems deeper than a superficial body shift.
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I don't think it should work like this, personally. The deal with Asmodeus was binding enough that it endured even throughout the Doom during the deaths of the Fifteenth and all the Fourteen. It'd feel cheap narratively if the act of coming back to life somehow negated something that powerful.

Also I'm not sure Yss himself works like that. He's always been about living up to your end of the bargain and not about offering loopholes.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
@Goldfish, your plan feels like it's losing sight of the objective, which was to capture this guy without having to enter the house.

[X] Stop messing around and just capture them already
-[X] Viserys casts Project Image, making the image appear somewhere hidden from view. If it's possible to use Miracle to make the Image look like a Luminary, he does so. The idea is to be able to intervene without revealing our position.
-[X] Viserys uses his belt of battle to make the Image cast an Amber Sacrophagus (from another angle, of course, so that they don't know we were in that building all along). If that fails, Celerity and do it again.
-[X] If that fails again, follow Goldfish's plan or something.
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That seems a bit more complicated than necessary, IMO.

The objective is to get the mages out of the house, plus preventing Tyene, Waymar, and Teana from being vaporized. A bit of added theatrics is the least of my concerns right now.

They'll be captured one way or another, either after the house collapses on them or after the one brother teleports himself and his brother out of the collapsing structure, right into our trap.
 
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I don't think it should work like this, personally. The deal with Asmodeus was binding enough that it endured even throughout the Doom during the deaths of the Fifteenth and all the Fourteen. It'd feel cheap narratively if the act of coming back to life somehow negated something that powerful.

Also I'm not sure Yss himself works like that. He's always been about living up to your end of the bargain and not about offering loopholes.
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Yeah, that's my thought as well. If that was all it took to free themselves of their connection to the 15th, the other Valyrian gods could have engineered such a solution millennia ago.
 
By DP's own admission, he is not using SRD standards for determining lethality of falling rubble. So if those guys do not teleport out of the house, @TalonofAnathrax, they are dead meat.

We are baiting out translocation because they do not really have the option to tank the hit and then try digging themselves out. I know its been awhile since White Harbor, but when @Goldfish gets the chance to use an Uno Reverse card on @DragonParadox more than a year later, he goddamn uses it.

The thread remembers.
 
Crake said:
By DP's own admission, he is not using SRD standards for determining lethality of falling rubble. So if those guys do not teleport out of the house, @TalonofAnathrax, they are dead meat.

We are baiting out translocation because they do not really have the option to tank the hit and then try digging themselves out. I know its been awhile since White Harbor, but when @Goldfish gets the chance to use an Uno Reverse card on @DragonParadox more than a year later, he goddamn uses it.

The thread remembers.
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That judgement does indeed stand. Being buried under tons of falling rock is indeed very lethal, falling from orbit also causes more than 20d6 damage.
 
Crake said:
By DP's own admission, he is not using SRD standards for determining lethality of falling rubble. So if those guys do not teleport out of the house, @TalonofAnathrax, they are dead meat.

We are baiting out translocation because they do not really have the option to tank the hit and then try digging themselves out. I know its been awhile since White Harbor, but when @Goldfish gets the chance to use an Uno Reverse card on @DragonParadox more than a year later, he goddamn uses it.

The thread remembers.
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I definitely admire that about Goldfish. He remembers all the tiniest details to exploit.

Like with Varys' wands using the Pathfinder version of Reach Spell, thus opening the way for us.
 
@BronzeTongue, @Duesal,
FUI, Yss outright told us he can't break the bond between the 14 Gods of Valyria and the 15th - the best he can do is to eat the 15th, and we'd kinda have to actually get him there to do that.
Can't find the chapter he told us that tho'.
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falling from orbit also causes more than 20d6 damage.
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Damn it!
Oh well, I guess orbital bombardment with Seekers is out of the question.
Back to the drawing board...
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Duesal said:
I definitely admire that about Goldfish. He remembers all the tiniest details to exploit.

Like with Varys' wands using the Pathfinder version of Reach Spell, thus opening the way for us.
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@Goldfish Speaking of which, Tyene really needs to learn that from Anu... wasn't that on the docket way back when? I saw you mention only Malarys can Reach his spells earlier, but we were planning on adding that to her arsenal to get rid of Ocular Spells, IIRC?
 
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