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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
The Anvil is valuable enough that there's nothing I'd be willing to trade for it. Kelasi might potentially be able to be reasoned with, but Galzerai would try to extract everything he could from us. I doubt he'd ever be content with a mere discount and some lore.
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Yeah we would need to find something serious to give them in trade, but I really don't want to go to war, just because someone has something we want, killing Galzerai I'm considering, depending on what we find out about his other dealings, but I wont vote for attacking Kelasi out of pure greed.
Duesal said:
We're not making anything like the Anvil until Lya is a lot further down her Mythic Path.
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Sure we aren't making something like the anvil for quite a long time, but we aren't ready to really use the anvil for quite a long time either, by the time we are ready to use the anvil, for more than crafting individual creatures, we will also be ready to make our own version of the anvil, so at that point, we are likely to be able to make do with just getting to study it.
zxzx24 said:
Do we even know how to make flesh forges yet?
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We have the Flesh Forger hivemind, I'm quite certain they know how to make a Flesh Forge, and the old gods can probably also provide us with the plans, since they have assimilated 2 Flesh Forges.
Duesal said:
I can wait too. But if getting the anvil means steamrolling Galzerai one day then that's what I look forward to.
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Galzerai don't have the anvil though, he claim it's rightfully his, but Kelasi has it in their possession.
 
Meh, I don't particularly know what to feel about that Forge. What matters is if we want to obtain that delicious loot, by proxy we (might) need to fight off the Dragon, the Kelasi, or both.

Now that is what's getting my blood pumping. A real fight, a real battle, and a bloody war (on their side).

And if God Allows, a the Deep Ones as well. Making this an epic orgy of violence!!!
 
Need more votes, y'all. Let's go back to the Moonchaser, see what Moonsong has been up to, and see about hiring more mercs.
 
Azel said:
There's nothing wrong with murdering someone to take their stuff when you are a head of state. That's usually summed up under "Foreign Policy".
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We call that "Keeping the Peace" over here in the states.

I could go for a bit of "Peace Keeping" if that anvil is valuable to our inevitable plans to rebuild the Planes into something better than the current nightmarish arrangement we have, but if it's not then I'm willing to leave it like we left those cool ass elephants back in the plane of earth market.

Bigger fish to fry and all that.

[X] Goldfish
 
Jack vile Ripper said:
Meh, I don't particularly know what to feel about that Forge. What matters is if we want to obtain that delicious loot, by proxy we (might) need to fight off the Dragon, the Kelasi, or both.

Now that is what's getting my blood pumping. A real fight, a real battle, and a bloody war (on their side).

And if God Allows, a the Deep Ones as well. Making this an epic orgy of violence!!!
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I want a proper war too, but I would rather join our Gith allies, in making war on the Daemons and Illithids in Elysium, instead of starting a war against these random nobodies.

Underwater isn't a good place to deploy our legions either, I want to get our legions to the point where they can fight on Planar battlefields, and then deploy them in an invasion of Elysium.

Or we could focus more on the war with the Brazen throne, but I digress, my point is that I want to see how our army do, when actually deployed against the forces of the Planes.
 
If we feel the need to go to war out in the Planes instead of with our many enemies closer to home, we really might as well shake the Efreeti some more and see what other goodies they are hoarding.

Seriously, they have so much crazy loot.
 
065tdsa said:
If we feel the need to go to war out in the Planes instead of with our many enemies closer to home, we really might as well shake the Efreeti some more and see what other goodies they are hoarding.

Seriously, they have so much crazy loot.
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We don't actually have that many enemies closer to home we can actually attack, our problem with taking over the rest of Essos, or taking Westeros isn't lack of military might, it's that we aren't ready to administrate it all, we could conquer most of Planetos, but we lack the capacity to properly rule it.

This is why I would like to deploy some of our armies off plane, we can get loot, and we don't have to arrange for the rule of new places afterwards.
 
tarrangar said:
Yeah we would need to find something serious to give them in trade, but I really don't want to go to war, just because someone has something we want, killing Galzerai I'm considering, depending on what we find out about his other dealings, but I wont vote for attacking Kelasi out of pure greed.
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Kelasi can probably be bought off with Galzerai's death, conveniently.
tarrangar said:
Sure we aren't making something like the anvil for quite a long time, but we aren't ready to really use the anvil for quite a long time either, by the time we are ready to use the anvil, for more than crafting individual creatures, we will also be ready to make our own version of the anvil, so at that point, we are likely to be able to make do with just getting to study it.
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Even at that stage what we make is always enhanced when we use the best possible base materials. See the Harbinger using up the Wildfyre Orb. It would be pretty damn suboptimal to merely study the Anvil instead of incorporating it.
tarrangar said:
Galzerai don't have the anvil though, he claim it's rightfully his, but Kelasi has it in their possession.
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I'm fully anticipating Galzerai refusing to give up his claim.

Either way, this won't pay off in a long time, but I am looking forward to that fight.
 
I'm with Goldie, attacking someone for greed right now goes straight against the message we've taken pains to portray.


[X] Head back to the Moonchaser to buy mercenaries and try to gain other alliances
 
*sigh*

At least most people realize we are far and away from even being able to get much out of the Anvil. It seems like more of piece of a win condition, not even the whole win condition, tbh.

[X] Head back to the Moonchaser to buy mercenaries and try to gain other alliances
 
Azel said:
[X] Duesal

@Duesal, please acquire loot.
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Duesal said:
You caught me at a really bad time, I'm in the middle of grocery shopping.
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There's nothing we can reasonably do right now to acquire Anvil or Axiomite loot. That doesn't mean we're going to forget about them.

Eventually there will be an opportunity, hopefully after Galzerai does something provocative enough (after stealing the Anvil) that we won't face any repercussions for murdering him and keeping the Anvil for ourselves.
 
Goldfish said:
There's nothing we can reasonably do right now to acquire Anvil or Axiomite loot. That doesn't mean we're going to forget about them.

Eventually there will be an opportunity, hopefully after Galzerai does something provocative enough (after stealing the Anvil) that we won't face any repercussions for murdering him and keeping the Anvil for ourselves.
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Frankly, I have zero idea about the political situation, since I can't even force myself to care about the PoW. That Anvil merely sounds like something relevant and getting it ASAP means less time spent on the PoW.
 
Goldfish said:
There's nothing we can reasonably do right now to acquire Anvil or Axiomite loot. That doesn't mean we're going to forget about them.

Eventually there will be an opportunity, hopefully after Galzerai does something provocative enough (after stealing the Anvil) that we won't face any repercussions for murdering him and keeping the Anvil for ourselves.
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To be honest, if Kelasi discovered we murdered him and kept it for ourselves afterwards, you can name that relationship burnt to cinders. Economically and militarily I don't know of anything they could do to us to really hurt us, but if they were clever they could make it impossible to develop long-term trade and military aspirations in Water, depending on how they play the political game.

Edit: Of course if you do not care about PoW and want to leave and never come back, doing so would obviously be a no-brainer and because you said it out loud there were no ulterior motives for suggesting it. :V
 
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