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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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It won't win them any favor with His Seven Pimphands... but @TalonofAnathrax there is one hole in your logic!

They're Ironborn. They are already regarded as being parasitic blights upon western society. :V

Can't really dig below the bedrock with skeleton hands, amirite?
 
Do we give a damn about the cost of plant minions? Not only can we make the Reader pay, we can also ask to build them from the corpses of the things they kill.

Oh, and we can pretend that the plant minions are gifts from the OG directly and not from us. Ask Roderick fake some divine visitation or enlightenment, I dunno.
 
Honestly I have to admit that @egoo and @Azel are right and that this does seem to be one of those situations where the undead are genuinely the more practical alternative to the plant creatures due to being massable, harder to link back to us, and resistant to most Deep One related complications.
 
Smartphone said:
Honestly I have to admit that @egoo and @Azel are right and that this does seem to be one of those situations where the undead are genuinely the more practical alternative to the plant creatures due to being massable, harder to link back to us, and resistant to most Deep One related complications.
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Plans are also massable, resistant, and can plausibly be linked to Dywen and the OG instead of us.
 
Mind that plants being immune to mindaffecting means not that they are immune against bio-weaponry or good old bilestone taint.

There's a reason Illithids have a healthy respect of undead.
 
Mark my words, the overreliance on plants will become a problem sooner or later.

You can bet that the Sultan of Brass had more then one discussion that went "But why do X when we can use Living Brass instead?"
 
Azel said:
Mark my words, the overreliance on plants will become a problem sooner or later.

You can bet that the Sultan of Brass had more then one discussion that went "But why do X when we can use Living Brass instead?"
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Well, we are researching into less-morally-ambigous Seekers, and those have a fair bit of variety in applicability too.
...Mostly "fuck this group of people in particular, *chainsaw sounds*", but applicability nonetheless.

And yeah, agreed otherwise.

The Undead just aren't as intuitive to throw together than variations of existing plants, I guess.
Templating is kinda hard.
 
egoo said:
Well, we are researching into less-morally-ambigous Seekers, and those have a fair bit of variety in applicability too.
...Mostly "fuck this group of people in particular, *chainsaw sounds*", but applicability nonetheless.

And yeah, agreed otherwise.

The Undead just aren't as intuitive to throw together than variations of existing plants, I guess.
Templating is kinda hard.
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No it's easy. Make a great plant. Then kill it and reanimate it with a strong undead template.
 
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egoo said:
Well, we are researching into less-morally-ambigous Seekers, and those have a fair bit of variety in applicability too.
...Mostly "fuck this group of people in particular, *chainsaw sounds*", but applicability nonetheless.

And yeah, agreed otherwise.

The Undead just aren't as intuitive to throw together than variations of existing plants, I guess.
Templating is kinda hard.
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No, half the issue is that I locked undead templates behind research way back then instead of throwing dozens of them out for free.

There's not all that much variety to be done with them right now and no research being done to change that due to how insanely overpowered the alternatives are.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
Make a great plan. Then kill it
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Ouch, too close to home, Talon! :o
:V
...that is a misspelling of something else, right?
Azel said:
No, half the issue is that I locked undead templates behind research way back then instead of throwing dozens of them out for free.

There's not all that much variety to be done with them right now and no research being done to change that due to how insanely overpowered the alternatives are.
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Fair 'nuff, but the Undead-research kinda has a point to be so restricted like that too - what with us wanting to, you know, not leak NE and stuff everywhere, and every new template like a "vampire", one would assume, makes significant enough a difference from Qyburn's law-spirit-animated "zombies".

Plants were straight-up powered through by the OGs, so OP-ness makes sense too.
 
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Personally I'm looking forward to getting use out of our undead assets. I've been waiting to reap the full benefits of Qyburn's work.
 
egoo said:
Fair 'nuff, but the Undead-research kinda has a point to be so restricted too - what with us wanting to, you know, not leak it everywhere, and every new template like a "vampire", one would assume, makes significant enough a difference from Qyburn's law-spirit-animated "zombies".
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There's no reason except the quest being set on easy-mode why plants and dragons aren't more wilful and so easy to control.

*shrug*

These issues could be handwaved away just as easily.
 
Azel said:
There's no reason except the quest being set on easy-mode why plants and dragons aren't more wilful and so easy to control.

*shrug*

These issues could be handwaved away just as easily.
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True. Although to be fair, undead are genuinely much easier to create than Plants or Dragons (Create Greater Undead is a spell we can study, etc), so now that I think about it doing it the other way around would make a lot more sense...
Still, no way we can retcon all that now.
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
True. Although to be fair, undead are genuinely much easier to create than Plants or Dragons (Create Greater Undead is a spell we can study, etc), so now that I think about it doing it the other way around would make a lot more sense...
Still, no way we can retcon all that now.
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Not everything, but just letting them have full access to templates from the forges and one or two special ones to give them a few specific options would fix most of the problems with little retconning necessary.

That was kinda the point of the side-quest "Get Qyburn an Other-Servant to dissect", but that was always ignored too.
 
Azel said:
There's no reason except the quest being set on easy-mode why plants and dragons aren't more wilful and so easy to control.

*shrug*

These issues could be handwaved away just as easily.
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...I blame me still thinking the 20-30 Progress is "a lot" for RAs relevant to Undead as the reason why I look for justifications retroactively.

I haven't quite gotten around to getting accustomed with us having a lot more Research-capability than before.
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That was kinda the point of the side-quest "Get Qyburn an Other-Servant to dissect", but that was always ignored too.
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...tbh, I haven't even remembered we had one such "quest" until this very moment.

I would have added it to MAs/adventure-locations had... anyone, really, brought it up.

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Imma nap naow.

If y'all gonna look around the room of the ritual b4 I wake up, use the Commune with Stone, and Stone Tell spells, the Gloves of Object Reading we have, and the Retrocognition spell (psychic impressions - very likely the illithids didn't clean up theirs before they got interrupted, so a possible goldmine) to see what illithids were trying to do.
@Goldfish, take noteh.
 
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egoo said:
I blame me still thinking the 20-30 Progress is "a lot" for RAs relevant to Undead as a reason why I look for justifications retroactively.

I havent quite gotten around to understanding we have a lot more Research-capability than before.
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Well, I never quite got around to the research rebalance that was planned back then (for some reason :mad:), thus leaving a few research options greatly out of whack with many that were stated up before or since.

That affects both the armor, undead and hand-held launcher research.
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Technically yeah, but what would it commemorate?

I don't think there would be much point thematically.
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Duesal just wants to celebrate being an asshole to that poor Cornugon.
 
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