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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Viserys: "Royal privilege."

"First Night only applies to peasants! And your ancestor outlawed it!"

Viserys: "Dragon privilege."

Amrelath: "Can confirm."

Relath: "Independent studies concur."

Ysandryx: "Control groups seem to indicate as much."
 
DragonParadox said:
That was particularly fortunate from a narrative PoV since there are no first level buffs on the beguiler list.​
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He could have used Versatile Spellcaster, in any case. Beguilers know all spells on their list. It's horribly inefficient from a spell slots perspective, but it's useful (and on even levels it even lets you reach one level higher than a wizard!).
 
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Crake said:
Viserys: "Royal privilege."

"First Night only applies to peasants! And your ancestor outlawed it!"

Viserys: "Dragon privilege."

Amrelath: "Can confirm."

Relath: "Independent studies concur."

Ysandryx: "Control groups seem to indicate as much."
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And no that dragon privilege isn't actually having sex with her, Viserys is very much monogamous, the privilege is the right to randomly cause unborn children to be half-dragons, by sheer weight of dragon magic in the air, while dragons are often rather wide in their sexual interests, sex is far from the only way for dragon blooded people to spring up, sometime a strong dragon just happen to bleed on a pregnant creature, and suddenly the child is part dragon.

With how fond Viserys is of Blood wish, which is the process of making your already magic dragon blood extra magical, I'm surprised a few part dragons that can trace their lineage to him, haven't already been born.
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
He could have used Versatile Spellcaster, in any case. Beguilers know all spells on their list. It's horribly inefficient from a spell slots perspective, but it's useful (and on even levels it even lets you reach one level higher than a wizard!).
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Edric could go to the Scholarium and end up as Teana's apprentice. Didn't you play a Beguiler/Shadowcraft Mage PC recently?
 
tarrangar said:
And no that dragon privilege isn't actually having sex with her, Viserys is very much monogamous, the privilege is the right to randomly cause unborn children to be half-dragons, by sheer weight of dragon magic in the air, while dragons are often rather wide in their sexual interests, sex is far from the only way for dragon blooded people to spring up, sometime a strong dragon just happen to bleed on a pregnant creature, and suddenly the child is part dragon.
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Now that could lead to some interesting medical tourism. Catering to expectant mothers coming to SD in hopes their unborn child will catch a bit of freefloating Dragonocity wafting about the city could be a nice little cottage industry.
 
Goldfish said:
Now that could lead to some interesting medical tourism. Catering to expectant mothers coming to SD in hopes their unborn child will catch a bit of freefloating Dragonocity wafting about the city could be a nice little cottage industry.
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Besides roads, medical care and sanitation for city-bearing provinces are the first upgrades we're doing. So they shouldn't have to travel far.
 
DragonParadox said:
But he would still need level 2 spells to actually have access to Eagle's Splendor. Versatile spellcaster does not let one cast over max level.
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Although it's not an exploit I really agree with, the wording of the Beguiler and Warmage both can be interpreted to allow Versatile Spellcaster to be used to cast spells one level higher than normal because of how they gain their spells.

I'm much happier with Edric just being 4th level.
 
@DragonParadox, so in Valyria we encountered a LOT of Half-Dragon monsters. Way more than could really be explained by simple magical contamination.

What is the likelihood that this is the result of a hacked Flesh Forge spewing forth different creatures?
 
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So I'm not seeing a lot of discussion on the vote, is that just because it's and overnight vote and thus no rush or is something unclear?
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Though for framing benefits, what do you think would be a good idea to do here, from our current read of the situation? As far as I can tell, hiding Edric's magic is a non-option, and even if Lothar is upset, we could easily point out that the kid likely kept it hidden because he was afraid his father would have a melt down like he did with his brother, enough to send him to the Lannisters of all people. Tywin "I butchered Crownlanders for my damnable pride" Lannister. Tywin "the Reynes are the least I'll do to my enemies in this age now that I have magic at my beck and call" Lannister.

It's a rational decision to hold some things back until he's more sure Denys isn't being basically banished from the family.
 
Crake said:
Though for framing benefits, what do you think would be a good idea to do here, from our current read of the situation? As far as I can tell, hiding Edric's magic is a non-option, and even if Lothar is upset, we could easily point out that the kid likely kept it hidden because he was afraid his father would have a melt down like he did with his brother, enough to send him to the Lannisters of all people. Tywin "I butchered Crownlanders for my damnable pride" Lannister. Tywin "the Reynes are the least I'll do to my enemies in this age now that I have magic at my beck and call" Lannister.

It's a rational decision to hold some things back until he's more sure Denys isn't being basically banished from the family.
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  1. It's about even odds if Denys blurts something out if Viserys does not intervene.
  2. That's a reasonable point to make yeah
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, so in Valyria we encountered a LOT of Half-Dragon monsters. Way more than could really be explained by simple magical contamination.

What is the likelihood that this is the result of a hacked Flesh Forge spewing forth different creatures?
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I just figured it was because of the magically warped nature of the environment, which seems to exist in some sort of overlapping quasi-demiplane, one that was utterly fucked up by the Doom. Remember that one spell or effect we canceled or Dispelled, which temporarily left blue sky and a normal appearance behind, before the hellscape of Valyria reasserted itself?

Corrupted magic, much of it Draconic in nature, could do some weird stuff when the environment is already somewhat mutagenic.
 
Duesal said:
@DragonParadox, so in Valyria we encountered a LOT of Half-Dragon monsters. Way more than could really be explained by simple magical contamination.

What is the likelihood that this is the result of a hacked Flesh Forge spewing forth different creatures?
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Thousands of dragons died in Valyria, quite a few who were at the Wyrm stage or beyond, the survivors being spawned from said corpses, or being mutated by eating said corpses then multiplying, can easily explain all the Half-dragon monsters.

One Wyrm dying somewhere and not having its corpse harvested, is enough to spawn hundreds of Draconic hybrids, if these hybrids breed true, then just 1 Wyrm dying somewhere, can be enough to eventually result in a whole region(if a small one) being populated by dragon blooded creatures.
 
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DragonParadox said:
So I'm not seeing a lot of discussion on the vote, is that just because it's and overnight vote and thus no rush or is something unclear?
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I think @Crake has the right idea. Between holiday stuff and people getting caught up on missed work, there is only so much time to go around. Not everyone gets to take 12 days off to lay around the house and vegetate like me. :V

Also, we've discussed the Mallery situation pretty thoroughly on multiple occasions, so there isn't much left to be said until we see how the next step plays out.
 
Goldfish said:
Edric could go to the Scholarium and end up as Teana's apprentice. Didn't you play a Beguiler/Shadowcraft Mage PC recently?
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It's been over a year since I talked about it in this thread, so I wouldn't call it recent, but I still have character sheets and all that.
It is indeed an amazing combo, even without hyper-real shadows or anything. If it ever comes up (when Teana's sheet is updated?) I can shoot you my favorite spells to mimic your way.

DragonParadox said:
But he would still need level 2 spells to actually have access to Eagle's Splendor. Versatile spellcaster does not let one cast over max level.
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I'm not sure it works like that. Versatile Spellcaster seems like an exception to the normal "can't cast above CL" rule. After all it explicitly lets you get slots above your normal ones, and it explicitly works with metamagic... So if you can Heighten a spell higher than you could normally cast it, the feat is either an exception or dysfunctional.
This is 3.5 though, so both are possible :D

And in any case the "a spell had a minimum CL" general rule is fairly debatable. Isn't it just an extrapolation from a rule about deliberately lowering your CL?
 
TalonofAnathrax said:
It's been over a year since I talked about it in this thread, so I wouldn't call it recent, but I still have character sheets and all that.
It is indeed an amazing combo, even without hyper-real shadows or anything. If it ever comes up (when Teana's sheet is updated?) I can shoot you my favorite spells to mimic your way.


I'm not sure it works like that. Versatile Spellcaster seems like an exception to the normal "can't cast above CL" rule. After all it explicitly lets you get slots above your normal ones, and it explicitly works with metamagic... So if you can Heighten a spell higher than you could normally cast it, the feat is either an exception or dysfunctional.
This is 3.5 though, so both are possible :D

And in any case the "a spell had a minimum CL" general rule is fairly debatable. Isn't it just an extrapolation from a rule about deliberately lowering your CL?
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Yeah it let's you get slots sure, but it depends on how you fluff spells known, sure a beguiler technically knows all the spells in their list as soon as they get the ability to cast them but I would personally qualify that with 'as soon as you get the ability to cast them normally'. That just feels like RAI.

Howver I'm fine with Versatile spellcaster letting you cast metamagic above your level, letting you empower things you could not otherwise. That feels like the sort of situation where burning out your power (spell-slots mechanically) would help.
 
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