For real though, I'll try to throw something together in the coming days.

Expect overly-complicated, needlessly long, messy write-up tho'.
I'm no good at infrastructure-related matters, and it's such at least 50%.

I really would have preferred it being fully backgrounded :/
 
Vote closed.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Dec 26, 2019 at 10:55 AM, finished with 42 posts and 9 votes.

  • [X] Contrive a way to meet the boy and 'incidentally' notice his magic
    -[X] Ask to speak to Denys. We are curious about the Mother Earth, from whom his power seems to originate. She is an ancient, nearly forgotten deity, one whom very little extant information remains. We are always on the lookout to establish friendly relations with benign deities.
    --[X] Try to maneuver Lothar so that he invites himself and Edric to attend this meeting, but if he proves difficult to guide in this manner, outright invite him and Edric. Denys being a Cleric of Mother Earth is relevant to both of them, not only due to the general beliefs about magic shared by many Westerosi, but also their dealings with the Lannisters and the implications of the boy paying homage to a god other than the Seven in a land where they nominally hold sway.
    ---[X] This should also give Edric an opportunity to share the nature of his own newfound magic.
 
That's fair but the trouble is I can't decide for you guys what kind of organizations or creatures you want to put in place and crucially how much to spend on it.
It seems like we should have just decided then and there what we were going to do. Narratively it doesn't make much sense to needlessly split up the decision making like this when the expert is right there in front of us telling us his recommendation. I get the need to speed through updates but for things like this they really deserve a bit more focus.
 
It seems like we should have just decided then and there what we were going to do. Narratively it doesn't make much sense to needlessly split up the decision making like this when the expert is right there in front of us telling us his recommendation.
@DragonParadox That was in essence my point, it's really not helpful in this situation if the answer is "I'll present some write-ins for you guys" when the vote involves too much granularity to smoothly fit into the turn-vote related updates. Not without you just glossing over it which feels really pointless from my perspective when you are making us spend an extensive amount of time on something OOC in order to fit it into what is essentially the background given how little it will be covered IC.

It's incredibly frustrating to not only have to balance extensive write-ins with mechanical decisions as a non-stand-alone decision point, where you do not actually give it much focus in the story, on top of distracting from an already highly involved vote that people need to pay full attention towards if they want to participate at all.
 
@DragonParadox That was in essence my point, it's really not helpful in this situation if the answer is "I'll present some write-ins for you guys" when the vote involves too much granularity to smoothly fit into the turn-vote related updates. Not without you just glossing over it which feels really pointless from my perspective when you are making us spend an extensive amount of time on something OOC in order to fit it into what is essentially the background given how little it will be covered IC.

It's incredibly frustrating to not only have to balance extensive write-ins with mechanical decisions as a non-stand-alone decision point, where you do not actually give it much focus in the story, on top of distracting from an already highly involved vote that people need to pay full attention towards if they want to participate at all.
Not to mention the OOC headache of hunting down all relevant information sometimes weeks after it's been said in the thread.
 
It seems like we should have just decided then and there what we were going to do. Narratively it doesn't make much sense to needlessly split up the decision making like this when the expert is right there in front of us telling us his recommendation. I get the need to speed through updates but for things like this they really deserve a bit more focus.
@DragonParadox That was in essence my point, it's really not helpful in this situation if the answer is "I'll present some write-ins for you guys" when the vote involves too much granularity to smoothly fit into the turn-vote related updates. Not without you just glossing over it which feels really pointless from my perspective when you are making us spend an extensive amount of time on something OOC in order to fit it into what is essentially the background given how little it will be covered IC.

It's incredibly frustrating to not only have to balance extensive write-ins with mechanical decisions as a non-stand-alone decision point, where you do not actually give it much focus in the story, on top of distracting from an already highly involved vote that people need to pay full attention towards if they want to participate at all.

Not to mention the OOC headache of hunting down all relevant information sometimes weeks after it's been said in the thread.

That's more than fair, I promise to be more careful about this sort of thing in the future. Do you guys wnat me to just handle everything in the background with the Deep One proofing? It would cost a meaningful amount of money but not break the bank.
 
That's more than fair, I promise to be more careful about this sort of thing in the future. Do you guys wnat me to just handle everything in the background with the Deep One proofing? It would cost a meaningful amount of money but not break the bank.
I think it's generally agreed that we will be spending whatever money necessary for Deep Ones proofing, and that if we come up with any additional ideas there shouldn't be anything stopping us from making modifications later on.
 
@DragonParadox That was in essence my point, it's really not helpful in this situation if the answer is "I'll present some write-ins for you guys" when the vote involves too much granularity to smoothly fit into the turn-vote related updates. Not without you just glossing over it which feels really pointless from my perspective when you are making us spend an extensive amount of time on something OOC in order to fit it into what is essentially the background given how little it will be covered IC.

It's incredibly frustrating to not only have to balance extensive write-ins with mechanical decisions as a non-stand-alone decision point, where you do not actually give it much focus in the story, on top of distracting from an already highly involved vote that people need to pay full attention towards if they want to participate at all.
Not to mention the OOC headache of hunting down all relevant information sometimes weeks after it's been said in the thread.
I think it's generally agreed that we will be spending whatever money necessary for Deep Ones proofing, and that if we come up with any additional ideas there shouldn't be anything stopping us from making modifications later on.
Seconding (third'ing?) all of this.
 
I would have preferred to vote on the anti-infiltrator measures immediately too... Or at least have a "implement those measures" option when planning the next turn plan, which would be a vote on what to do.
 
Yeah I dropped the ball on that guys, sorry

Update in beta.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Dec 26, 2019 at 12:07 PM, finished with 45 posts and 11 votes.

  • [X] Contrive a way to meet the boy and 'incidentally' notice his magic
    -[X] Ask to speak to Denys. We are curious about the Mother Earth, from whom his power seems to originate. She is an ancient, nearly forgotten deity, one whom very little extant information remains. We are always on the lookout to establish friendly relations with benign deities.
    --[X] Try to maneuver Lothar so that he invites himself and Edric to attend this meeting, but if he proves difficult to guide in this manner, outright invite him and Edric. Denys being a Cleric of Mother Earth is relevant to both of them, not only due to the general beliefs about magic shared by many Westerosi, but also their dealings with the Lannisters and the implications of the boy paying homage to a god other than the Seven in a land where they nominally hold sway.
    ---[X] This should also give Edric an opportunity to share the nature of his own newfound magic.
 
Part MMMCCLVI: With Arcane Grace
With Arcane Grace

Twenty Eighth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

"Mother Earth..." Lord Lothar's lips part only reluctantly upon the words and he does not seem to like the taste of them. "One more lie the Lannisters' tame wizards told me told me then, they called magic a skill like learning to play the harp or shoot a bow, or else something born of blood and bone like the color of your eyes or hair."

"My magic is in the latter category, my betrothed's in the former, but the greatest mistake one can make with regards to sorcery is to claim to know all that it is. There are doubtlessly all sorts of magic out there in the wide world that would bewilder me no less than Denys' magic does you, my lord," you reply carefully, now is not the time to speak up against the Golden Shields but to put Lord Mallery at ease as much as you are able. You explain the Earth Mother, little as you know of her, then the gods and manner of the First Men when first they came to Weesteros and cleared forests to make fields for the first time with bright bronze axes.

By the time you are done the lord is still wary but no longer so on edge, his knuckles are white against the oak and amber desk, the admission of both what you know and what you do not going a long way to helping him find some context to anchor himself in this strange new world he has found himself adrift in. Hopefully the realization that his heir too shares the gift of magic will not shatter the fragile balance he has found.

Lord Mallery had initially not wished to have his eldest son involved in Denys' interview, but when you bring up Dany physically and not just by name he softens slightly, particularly as your sister does her own brand of magic that has nothing to do with weaving spells upon the lord. A child of six or seven with the manner of an adult is strange and otherworldly, but nine is on the cusp of looking 'mature for her age', particularly as that is what Lothar Mallery very much wants to see, not the marks of old battles in her gaze, nor the wisdom hard-bought, but the girl who turned her gifts to 'the good of her House and land'.

"Edric's certainly surprised me this past moonturn," the lord proclaims gruffly, pride nonetheless clear in his voice. "I'm not ashamed to admit it was he who first convinced me to send word to Sorcerer's Deep."

Thankfully you are quite adept by now in feigning surprise.

***​

Rather than the lord's solar the meeting is in Lady Mallory's private apartments, the better to avoid any curious looks from the staff, for the lady is well known for preferring to keep her sons close after the tribulations of the last few months. Lord Lothar had wisely not interfered, but chose instead to pay the occasional visit to these meetings where his lady wife would teach the boys fine penmanship, poetry or some other skill the maester was not particularly adept at.

The room is airy and to your senses at least filled with the lingering scent of evening-blooming flours of which the lady keeps quite the collection, most of the sort one would find in the glasshouses of Lys, though one or two broad-leafed plants that bring to mind the jungle plants of Sothoryos, all lovingly cared for. If Denys felt particularly at home here you can imagine why a goddess of green well tended things might have her eye on him. Thankfully, Lady Lorena Mallory herself shows no signs of magic as she offers a courtesy to you and a slightly smaller one to Dany who answers in kind with an air of relief. Formality is better than fearful awkwardness after all. Alas, not all the introductions can run so smoothly.

"I... what are you?" Denys' voice practically breaks at the end as he looks at Dany wide eyed. He cannot see the spells upon her, of course, but it seems that unlike his parents he can guess at the dream-wrought blessings upon her.

Your sister gives a small laugh which sounds carefree and you know it is anything but. "Good day to you, my name's Dany, or Daenerys if you really want to add another syllable in there."

"Ehm... good day, m-my lady, I'm Denys," the boy stutters a little.

"Personally I would be glad for a name with more than two syllables," Edric interjects smoothly. "There is really no way to shorten it for family without sounding rather silly."

Denys looks at his bother first in relief, then mounting confusion... and realization. He too had used a touch of enchantment to make his words flow true and against the contrast of Dany's preternatural grace it's all the easier to notice. You would call it even odds if he can reign in his surprise or is about to blurt something out, best to forestall him.

What do you say?

[] Write in

OOC: Yes, that is a second level spell, the reason this took so long to roll for was that I had to roll the background to see if he leveled. A social build like a beguiler is something you can advance in at low levels without monsters if the stakes are high enough. That was particularly fortunate from a narrative PoV since there are no first level buffs on the beguiler list.
 
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With Arcane Grace

Twenty Eighth Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

"Mother Earth..." Lord Lothar's lips part only reluctantly upon the words and he does not seem to like the taste of them. "One more lie the Lannisters's tame wizards told me told me then. They called magic a skill, like learning to play the harp or shoot a bow, or else something born of blood and bone like the color of your eyes or hair."

"My magic is in the latter category, my betrothed's in the former, but the greatest mistake one can make with regards to sorcery is to claim to know anything about all that it is. There are doubtless sorts of magic out in the wide world that would bewilder me no less than Denys' magic does you, my lord," you reply carefully. Now is not the time to speak up against the Golden Shields, but to put Lord Mallery at ease as much as you are able. You explain the Earth Mother, little as you know of her, then the gods and manner of the First Men, when first they came to Westeros and cleared forests into fields for the first time with bright bronze axes.

By the time you are done the lord is still wary but no longer so on edge his knuckles are white against the oak and amber desk. The admission of both what you know and what you do not going a long way to helping him find some context to anchor himself in this strange new world in which he has found himself adrift. Hopefully, the realization that his heir too shares the gift of magic will not shatter the fragile balance he has found.

Although Lord Mallery had initially not wished to have his eldest son involved in Denys' interview, when you bring up Dany physically and not just by name he softens slightly, particularly as your sister does her own brand of magic that has nothing to do with weaving spells upon the lord. A child of six or seven with the manner of an adult is strange and otherworldly, but nine is on the cusp of looking 'mature for her age', particularly as that is what Lothar Mallery very much wants to see. Not the marks of old battles in her gaze, nor the wisdom hard-bought, but the girl who turned her gifts to 'the good of her house and land'.

"Edric's certainly surprised me this past moonturn," the lord proclaims gruffly, pride nonetheless clear in his voice. "I'm not ashamed to admit it was he who first convinced me to sent word to Sorcerer's Deep."

Thankfully, you are quite adept by now in feigning surprise.

***​

Rather than the lord's solar, the meeting is in Lady Mallory's private apartments, the better to avoid any curious looks from the staff. The lady is well known for preferring to keep her sons close after the tribulations of the last few months and lord Lothar had wisely not interfered, but chose instead to pay the occasional visit to these meetings where his lady wife would teach the boys fine penmanship, poetry, or some other skill the maester was not particularly adept at himself.

The room is airy and to your senses filled with the lingering scent of evening-blooming flowers of which she keeps quite collection. Most of the sort one would find in the glasshouses of Lys, though one or two broad-leafed plants that bring to mind the jungle plants of Sothoryos, all lovingly cared for. If Denys felt particularly at home here you can imagine why a goddess of the green and well tended things might have her eye on him. Thankfully, Lady Lorena Mallory herself shows no signs of magic as she offers a courtesy to you and a slightly smaller one to Dany who answers in kind with an air of relief. Formality is better than fearful awkwardness, after all. Alas, not all the introductions can run so smoothly.

"I... what are you?" Denys' voice practically breaks at the end as he looks at Dany wide-eyed. He cannot see the spells upon her, of course, but it seems that unlike his parents, Denys can guess at the dream-wrought blessings upon her.

Your sister gives a small laugh which sounds carefree, though you know it is anything but. "Good day to you. My name is Dany, or Daenerys, if you really want to add another syllable in there."

"Ehm... good day, m-my lady, I'm Denys," the boy stutters a little.

"Personally, I would be glad for a name with more than two syllables," Edric interjects smoothly. "There is really no way to shorten it for family without sounding rather silly."

Denys looks at his bother, first in relief, then mounting confusion... and realization. He too had used a touch of enchantment too make his words flow true, and against the contrast of Dany's preternatural grace it's all the easier to notice. You would call it even odds if he can reign in his surprise or is about to blurt something out. It's likely best forestall him.

What do you say?

[] Write in

OOC: Yes that is a second level spell, the reason this took so long to roll for was that I had to roll the background to see if he leveled. A social build like a Beguiler is something you can advance in at low levels without monsters if the stakes are high enough. That was particularly fortunate from a narrative PoV, since there are no first level buffs on the Beguiler list. Not yet edited.
Here's an edited version of the chapter, DP.
 
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Edric is doing well for himself, ya'll. Already up to Beguiler 4.

I guess now is when we magic up a couple Hogwar-, I mean Scholarium Shadowtower invites, for the brothers?

What is Denys again, @DragonParadox? Cleric or Mystic? And what level has he reached?
 
It's going to come out, so why don't we take the initiative and rip off the band-aid?

[X] Addressing Lord Mallery, Viserys says, "It would seem congratulations are in order, my lord. Rather than a single child with the gift of magic, you appear to have two."
-[X] Then to Edric before Lothar can interrupt, "And already capable of spells of the second circle, if my eyes do not deceive me?"
 
"The good news is, there's two of them!"

Just like a doctor delivering an ultrasound result...
 
"The good news is, there's two of them!"

Just like a doctor delivering an ultrasound result...
Doctor: "Two arms, two legs, and two well formed wings. I can already see a hint of a scale pattern forming along his spine as well. Congratulations, it looks like you're going to have a perfectly healthy Half-Dragon baby boy!"

Father(?): "Half-Dragon? What?!"

Mother: "Well..."
 
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