Hey still haven't caught up quite yet, but i was just wondering why we took Miracle instead of Wish?
Just thought it was strange to get the cleric version of an Arcane spell.
 
@DragonParadox So I've put an inordinate amount of thought into the transition between the "King" title and the "Emperor" one, and I thought, there's some precedent for both usages in certain contexts in our history, what with Rex Imperator ("King-Emperor")'s usage by the King in parlance but in practice Emperor.

So in this context, the address while referencing ruler of Essos and Westeros would be "King-Emperor Viserys III Targaryen" and the style, probably suggested by Rhaella to make the distinction between a regular king and post-script ruler over two continents, "His Majesty" (or "His Imperial Majesty" in documentation).

In Essos the address would be "Rex Imperator Viserys Targaryen" with "Your Grace" being the most common style (these change too much given the differences between regions and just sort of represents the most common nomenclature you'll get, that being even acknowledging the fact that he's King in Westeros).

When acting as ruler of Westeros, "King Viserys III Targaryen, King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men, Lord of the Seven Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm" and styled "Your Grace".

While acting in any official capacity in the West the third usually defaults, while acting in Essos the second, and while ruling and holding court in Sorcerer's Deep where Viserys and the Crown holds truly supreme and ultimate, all-encompassing authority, the first is generally wielded like a bludgeon, where instead it would disgruntle lords in Westeros in their own lands to be reminded they're merely one half of our responsibility, or else be considered vulgar in Essos which is so individualistic and independent, anyone who comes to seek redress or favor from him in his own seat has basically acknowledged that there is no one with more secular authority for five thousand miles.

Very nice presentation of the duality of rule, I think the details deserve a vote, but for what it's worth I like it.
 
Wouldn't Viserys be the first Targaryen to rule over both Westeros and Essos? So wouldn't that make his full title be Viserys the First of Essos and the Third of Westeros? Or something along those lines.
 
Wouldn't Viserys be the first Targaryen to rule over both Westeros and Essos? So wouldn't that make his full title be Viserys the First of Essos and the Third of Westeros? Or something along those lines.
Well Georgey VI of the British Empire held the title with the same dynastic continuity, and why wouldn't he? He was specifically ruler of a subcontinent half a world away, further from England in distance than Essos is Westeros.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 13, 2019 at 4:31 AM, finished with 104 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] "Perhaps a library for educating the people on the Planes and the Arcane, meant as much a monument of hope that not all that comes seeking us is evil and wicked, as much as a reminder that there is much to be wary of." The original building will be torn down, and the grounds sanctified and warded through a combined effort from the Mysterium and the Red Faith, to commemorate those who worked together to put an end to Ymeri's works in Volantis.
    -[X] Bind Ceraxes to Zherys and decide on who to bind Melys to.
    [X] Ask Zherys if the place could be turned into a new Weirwood Grove, a place of beauty and contemplation.
    -[X] You would commission statues and fountains, as well as pay gardeners to make this a place of beauty. Additionally a small area could be cleared so artists can make small public performances.
    -[X] Ask Benerro his opinion on the project, and if he would be able to add a small shrine to R'hllor alongside the Grove.
    [x] Turn into a dragon and eat the house then answer
    --[X] "Perhaps a library for educating the people on the Planes and the Arcane, meant as much a monument of hope that not all that comes seeking us is evil and wicked as much as a reminder that there is much to be wary of."
 
Well Georgey VI of the British Empire held the title with the same dynastic continuity, and why wouldn't he? He was specifically ruler of a subcontinent half a world away, further from England in distance than Essos is Westeros.

Except didn't his legitimacy come from his first title which was King of Britain? Viserys rules Essos not because his dad ruled Essos but because Viserys went out and 'conquered' it. Hence the first.
 
Except didn't his legitimacy come from his first title which was King of Britain? Viserys rules Essos not because his dad ruled Essos but because Viserys went out and 'conquered' it. Hence the first.

That's completely beside the point that there's no good reason to abandon the continuity in nomenclature when half of our legitimacy is derived from it on both ends of the spectrum.

Throughout the thread dipping out and being like "yeah I want no association" makes no sense when we are specifically against having a rule founded on nothing more on beating down whoever could hit harder and faster. That will end wars but it won't prevent them. At least part of the pathos of the setting is stability is tied up with the idea that someone can be reasoned with, and people are more likely to reason with you when you have both the prestige and reputation bound behind your name and title. Jaehaerys only welded a realm together because Aegon built the base and Maegor made it bleed first. It was like offering cake to a starving man at that point.

And the latter rulers only held on for so long without dragons because of names like Aegon III, like Daeron II.

Moreover, we're Team Targaryen. Yeah, we're going to puff up our House a bit by lending credence to its continued rightful rule.
 
So basically Viserys III and I of Westeros and of Essos? Or simply Viserys III?

Side note, if we ever unite the entire Plane of Balance under our rule, we need a swanky title for that too.
 
So basically Viserys III and I of Westeros and of Essos? Or simply Viserys III?

Side note, if we ever unite the entire Plane of Balance under our rule, we need a swanky title for that too.

1) Well, we'll settle it in a vote eventually.

2) Might as well call ourselves "Supreme Overlord of the Inner and Outer Spheres", the details basically don't even matter at that point as you'd basically need to be an Overgod to hold any semblance of control over universal chaos.

Edit: Oh, you meant just Planetos.

Huh, I dunno. "King of the Four Corners" is pretty good.

Edit Dos: If you want some idea of how bugnuts insane item #2 is to have as an ambition, Asmodeus' endgame is basically Thanos' endgame, or in game terms, to be come the bane of storywriting that DP specifically wrote out of the setting when he tossed Ao. Destroy everything to rewrite everything until nothing remains that isn't Asmodeus. Perfect, stagnant, all-knowing Order. No more good... no more evil. No more chaos. Just perfectly in balance and a grateful universe.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Oct 13, 2019 at 4:31 AM, finished with 104 posts and 17 votes.

  • [X] "Perhaps a library for educating the people on the Planes and the Arcane, meant as much a monument of hope that not all that comes seeking us is evil and wicked, as much as a reminder that there is much to be wary of." The original building will be torn down, and the grounds sanctified and warded through a combined effort from the Mysterium and the Red Faith, to commemorate those who worked together to put an end to Ymeri's works in Volantis.
    -[X] Bind Ceraxes to Zherys and decide on who to bind Melys to.
    [X] Ask Zherys if the place could be turned into a new Weirwood Grove, a place of beauty and contemplation.
    -[X] You would commission statues and fountains, as well as pay gardeners to make this a place of beauty. Additionally a small area could be cleared so artists can make small public performances.
    -[X] Ask Benerro his opinion on the project, and if he would be able to add a small shrine to R'hllor alongside the Grove.
    [x] Turn into a dragon and eat the house then answer
    --[X] "Perhaps a library for educating the people on the Planes and the Arcane, meant as much a monument of hope that not all that comes seeking us is evil and wicked as much as a reminder that there is much to be wary of."
 
Part MMMCXIV: Upon a Firm Foundation
Upon a Solid Foundation

Second Day of the Eleventh Month 293 AC

"Perhaps a library for educating the people on the Planes and the arcane, meant as much a monument of hope that not all that comes seeking us is evil and wicked, as much as a reminder that there is much to be wary of," you reply after a moment's thought. No less than any other city, Volantis will need its symbols, and you would rather they be something other than the towering Black Walls that for centuries have divided the city against itself. "The ruins should be torn down to the very foundations, of course, and the library warded by the combined efforts of the Mysterium and the Red Faith. Let what was once a cage meant to contain Ymeri's influence be made instead into a commemoration of the collaboration that banished the False Flame's influence from the Volantis."

Zherys and Benerro readily agree, of course, and Teana seems pleased with the notion, though melancholy lingers in her gaze a moment longer before she resolutely walks away from the ruined manse and onto the streets filled with curious onlookers. This time you step back to allow the Lord of Volantis and the Flame Keeper to give an accounting of what had gone on within the manse and what that means for the people of Volantis, highborn and low, faithful of the Red God or any of a thousand other powers. The peril of another Day of Flame had passed at last, no more would they have to guard the wards from intrusion of the mad or those ensnared by dark powers. Upon this place would be made a library that commemorates magic not as a wild destructive force, but as the lore and skill may better the lives of all.

Perhaps unsurprisingly Benerro is more skilled in sparking the fires of hope in the crowd than Zherys who is more adept in dealing with a restrained audience studied beforehand, but the former High Speaker is by no means lacking. He proclaims that just as the Rhoyne and the Sorrows reclaimed has been tamed so too will Volantis rise to to heights even the Freeholder Lords had not contemplated. The fact that he also goes out of his way to thank the blessings of R'hllor even as Benerro praises the arcane skill of the Mysterium does not escape you. There is nothing quite like victory to engender generosity.

You had at first been somewhat surprised when neither mage nor priest had mentioned it had been Rina who struck the final blow, but as you bid farewell to Benerro at the gates of the great temple Rina thanks him for keeping back her part in the battle, something she must have silently asked of both him and Zherys.

Noticing Teana's politely curious look the sorceress explains: "I did not wish to explain where my power is drawn from. In Sorcerer's Deep people are used to odd comings and goings, to Companions. I do no want anyone resting uneasily thinking they might have replaced one peril with another."

That is not quite the whole of it you suspect. She would have little love of the attention the announcement would garner. Still, that is ultimately her choice. You nod in understanding and somewhat to your surprise so does Zherys. "Being ever in the eye of the city can be more trying that even the most complex arcane working in its own way." A faint smile touches his lips. "Once I had no great ambitions to hold sway in mundane circles, only to rediscover the secrets of the past, then the world turned and it was more a challenge to guard Volantis from the perils those secrets brought with them."

"Stretching the truth thin enough to see daylight through, isn't he? He might have been startled at the opportunity, but he seized it with both talons." Varys asks amused in the stillness of your mind. You cannot disagree with the point, but Rina clearly takes heart from the magister's words so neither can you begrudge them.

"There is one other matter I would discuss with you, my lord," you address Zherys once you were all back to the privacy of the archon's palace. "The dragon-binding."

The Archon of Volantis looks as pleased as you would have expected of him. "Caraxes, whose name is death, and well chosen for the fate he shared with his last, ah... tempestuous rider..." he trails off in thought

"I would not begrudge you naming Prince Daemon the fool he was in truth, my lord," you interject.

He shakes his head, the small scaled wing rising from his shoulder twitching distractedly. "It is not your feelings I am concerned with in the matter, Your Grace. The dragonrider Nettles was rather taken with the prince. I do not imagine she would appreciate being unexpectedly presented with another riding the beast. I would speak to her first. As Wisdom Vanor is quick to remind us, ill will between dragonriders is a peril that should not be allowed to take root."

"A wise thought, my lord," you agree. "The lady is helping to pacify the Western Flatlands besides the Legion. A raven addressed to the commander there should narrow down precisely where she might be found."

With Zherys soon to bind Caraxes the matter of the last unbound dragon, Meleys, the Red Queen, looms in your mind. Who will she be bound to?

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OOC: I wanted to do a scene with Zherys binding the dragon, but as I was writing I rolled for knowledge to see if he knew about Nettles and Daemon and then I realized he would not risk potential bad blood with another rider for something that could be handled diplomatically.
 
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Well, I make no secret of who my finger is tipping the scales for.

[X] Ceria Storm shall bind Melys, and when you take her pledge as a lord to client, you will ennoble her in truth.
-[X] Also gift two dragon eggs from your treasury to Lady Celeris' daughter and son.
--[X] 11. Forest green and amber,
12. Burnt orange adorned with golden flames

And I feel no guilt since this is a simple run-off vote.
 
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Also, @DragonParadox I thought of an irony so sweet that there was no way that Viserys would not catch upon it at the sight, but Rhaenys Targaryen (of the Dance) was daughter to a Targaryen and a Baratheon, and while the people remember her for having white hair almost like silver, in her youth she had black hair. Rhaenys was rider of Melys.
 
Also, @DragonParadox I thought of an irony so sweet that there was no way that Viserys would not catch upon it at the sight, but Rhaenys Targaryen (of the Dance) was daughter to a Targaryen and a Baratheon, and while the people remember her for having white hair almost like silver, in her youth she had black hair. Rhaenys was rider of Melys.

...my memories is spotty at best and non-existant at worst, so remind me again what atrocities has she wrought in the Dance?
 
I am opposed to giving Ceria a Dragon.

[X] Not Ceria storm.

Well at least vote for something!

There's a few to consider, Maelor, though the guy is always busy chasing asses. There's Tyene, though she'd probably never ride it. Even Stannis could pull it off apparently.

The point of the vote is to leave no dragon unbound.

...my memories is spotty at best and non-existant at worst, so remind me again what atrocities has she wrought in the Dance?

She lost all of her children, and in fury and despair fought two dragons with Melys and died.

And probably would have won if not for that, because the only one capable of matching her in the air was Daemon.
 
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