A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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Actually that's a horrible idea. Because while no one dares rebel against Tywin, a mage who killed him and took over the Westerlands (or who was thought to have done so by too many people) would face a general uprising right away, at that point people would just be angrier than they are scared. And the faith would come into it too, prejudice against evil witches and all.
What they should have done was ditch him, when he refused to follow expert advice. Or when he ordered them to start with the major crimes, like enslaving people. Just drop him like a hot potato, and move elsewhere.
Ultimately, I see no reason to care, because compared to the Chosen and their Planetar these two are perfectly productive citizens for their power level.
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Or mind puppeted him; they don't seem to have a problem doing it to dozens of other people after all. Sure it's an awful thing to do, but these are awful people we're talking about. Blasting him unconscious, removing the PfE they gave him, and casting geas would have been simple if they'd tried before doing the same damn thing to every mage they could get their hands on for Tywin.
I know I'm exaggerating, and the issue is more complex since they're family, but I just don't feel any sympathy for a lion that lets a house cat bully it.
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They could have Dominated him, impersonated him, whatever.
I agree with this though. They could definitely have done better, but they did do an excellent job.
tarrangar
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Yeah their only real crime seem to be being loyal to their family, sure there's things they could have done better, but aside from the fact that Gerion can't get himself to ditch his brother, I don't remember something they have done wrong, as opposed to just not optimally.
Too many suspicions of enchanted people are flying about, it'd be risky. Specially as they'd start changing or reversing a lot of his policies. Kevan and the rest of the Lannister extended family would be too likely to notice. Hell, Cersei may notice, if they try to act conciliatory towards her, which Tywin would never do. Or just randomly decide to do a Cersei and blow the whole thing open.
And that's before we consider real actors who could sabotage the plot: Deep Ones, Gods, in theory us. It'd be a fool's game without at least being certain of our active cooperation, and through us Bloodraven's. And that'd require talking to us, which they never dared to do.
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Probably a combination of Tywin's orders and them not trusting their own mages.
The mage slaves still count as wrong in my opinion. Even if it didn't, not being obviously evil doesn't entitle them to anything when opposing them; we should still kill them to remove their ability to harm our interests.
Tywin's managed to dominate his mages, and possibly a number of his bannermen without any notice. He got away with it because he established this stuff while magic was still mostly unknown. Just because the option is closed now doesn't mean it was never viable.
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He also had a grandson of the said guy killed under Guest Right. That's what sent him to The Wall. But seeing as this is Bloodraven, I'd say he just went keikakku doori.
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Yeah, the problem is dominating Tywin would be completely different from that.
Most of his mages are isolated, their families don't particularly care for them and even if they do the smallfolk can't exactly up stakes and go visit.
The bannermen thing was always speculation, but if he did it he's certainly holding those families down with some degree of force. At worst it looks like he's just coercing them rather than enslaving them, and a lord coercing their banners through force and hostages is perfectly legal, and the thing Tywin is most famed for besides.
Taking over Tywin and trying to control the whole Lannister family would be complicated, and more importantly too tempting a target for high level players to mess with.
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Nice!
We're pretty well slammed here, which is only made worse because I'm still training a newbie. Hopefully I'll have her semi-functional before I go on vacation the week after next or I'll probably come back to find a complete clusterfuck. One that I'll have to fix.
Never have I wanted to go on vacation less. It's a family vacation...
Was actually hoping on of the recent hurricanes would do so much damage to the beach house we're renting that the trip would have to be cancelled.
Crake
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I'm tempted to take a second vacation. Best I can do is Peace Out of work for like a week though... like a month in advance.
Granted even that sounds more and more appealing given they won't change my schedule until December when I was expecting September. What would I even do with a week though?
Granted even that sounds more and more appealing given they won't change my schedule until December when I was expecting September. What would I even do with a week though?
Hey, quick question now that the deal is done. Did we actually give back all the baubles or do we have them now? Because if so I kinda want to know them and what they do now aside from being McGuffins.
Also about those fresh air ferns from the Plane of Air. We cant cover cities but we can do what we did with lead shielding and get all core buildings and areas covered right?
Heck technically speaking these could be better than what we have for air supply in the Plane of Earth Heart Tree gardens. Hey now that I think about it each of those Planar Plants from the list put together would make for a Material Plane type garden.
The Fern for breathable air, the lotus for perpetual water, the flame orchid thing for heat and light and the earth vine to leach out excess "precious" metals in the group and leave common dirt(actual problem in PoE cant grow plants on lead filled soil).
Also about those fresh air ferns from the Plane of Air. We cant cover cities but we can do what we did with lead shielding and get all core buildings and areas covered right?
Heck technically speaking these could be better than what we have for air supply in the Plane of Earth Heart Tree gardens. Hey now that I think about it each of those Planar Plants from the list put together would make for a Material Plane type garden.
The Fern for breathable air, the lotus for perpetual water, the flame orchid thing for heat and light and the earth vine to leach out excess "precious" metals in the group and leave common dirt(actual problem in PoE cant grow plants on lead filled soil).
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The baubles are now ours, and they cement our control over the Goblin Market. Giving them away would defeat the purpose of poor Malarys, Rina, and Ser Richard spending days tracking them down.
We know one of the three is a spindle that spins gold, but @DragonParadox can probably just tell us the other two OOC.
That's good. So does it make some closeish gold substitute, True Gold or just let's you make gold into thread? Because I've got a use for all three. Especially depending on the difficulty of making metals into fine threads using common spells.
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I wouldn't count on fey-craft for anything substantial, especially given that this was crafted to rip off the Lyseni.
Eh, I fully expect the middle option of it actually making real gold to be truly unlikely. But whatever the case. If this think can spin metal into fine thread. Well spoilers but kevlar. Like John Wick style cloth armor. The new battle fashion. Heh between moster spider silk and metallic tread mixed with hardening. Guards can tank swords in style!
The great limiter for this kind of stuff was Master Work crafting through spells being limited to one item at a time. That was our problem even with bricks. We has to go full plastic mould and have everything connected by a teeny tiny bit of rock that we broke off.
If we got the template for a wondrous item, a verified bauble that can cast metals as thread? Wont be anything battle changing but we can have some fun with fashion.
The gold part is tertiary. What I want is the magic thread weaving. So yeah my Hope's got the Fey to have gone and given them the "what it says on the box" trick on this one.
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Speaking of what do people on the plane or earth even wear? Beast hide? I mean plants are worth more than silver so i kinda doubt then have some cotton mushroom or something. I figure the Djinn just do some magick thing like weave fabric out of clouds or something. But what about the Shaitan? Because if they already do have a mstal and minerals fabric business I wanna buy in to that stuff.
Kinda puts those near naked depictions or genie dudes into perspective dont it. Heh, it's either weave fire into pants or go full iron underwear.
Kinda puts those near naked depictions or genie dudes into perspective dont it. Heh, it's either weave fire into pants or go full iron underwear.
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There are plants and fungi native to the plane of earth, some of them can be processed into fabric.
Crake
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Genies also seem to process silicone/glass fibers, and use gemstones as clothes even. Elaborate, difficult to manufacture, it's no issue for them and they don't have to worry about non-standard materials chaffing.
Rare plants any fungi? Because if so import em for mass growth or if they arent exactly the most useful or ...comfortable of fabrics. Replace them utterly.
Heh, I'm excited for thread because of the wee bit differentiating it from just wire. Thread is hundreds of smaller threads spun into each other. New high thread count fabrics with a percentage of each being stuff like real silver, semiprecious gemstones or practical stuff like Obsidian lined into all gear we send the nights watch.
Oh that's a lovely yellow sundress. 10% Sunmetal!
But seriously what's the average genie kin slave even wearing in the Plane of Fire? I'm starting think their obsession with using skin in books didnt even start so much as a choice as it did a lack of alternative materials that can survive their shelves unwarded.
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