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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Artemis1992 said:
Sure, but I see it this way: We have one spell that can explicitly and certainly overcome the mindreading-defence of the template.

Why use a different one that may or may not work, depending on the GMs interpretation?
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You're conflating an argument over mechanics with the vote.

Look at my vote -- I'm not turning it into a book.
 
...Lya's gonna be so torn inside when we throw a book into Yss for the first time :V
 
Ah, we are going to interrogate a creature than can only lie even to magic?
Surely we should adapt the questions a little.
 
[X] Ask more questions of the fey lord
-[X] Ask him what he knows about the Hooded Lord, The Goblin Market, and the Fey that would organize around a Market, and how to deal with them.
-[X] Ask if it's possible to get the truth out of a nameless by trickery, like in the riddles about ever lying guards, or if their curse would adapt even to that.
-[X] Not as urgent, but we would appreciate if he could give us a written report about everything he knows about Dryads (we have a certain interest in beings bound to trees), and possible locations to find more seeds. (Tell him about Rhaella the Dryad if we haven't already)


no point in interrogating someone that even magic will only tell lies about, we need to find a way to trick it, or else just throw it into Yss and reclaim the knowledge as we did Tor.
 
das_slash said:
[X] Ask more questions of the fey lord
-[X] Ask him what he knows about the Hooded Lord, The Goblin Market, and the Fey that would organize around a Market, and how to deal with them.
-[X] Ask if it's possible to get the truth out of a nameless by trickery, like in the riddles about ever lying guards, or if their curse would adapt even to that.
-[X] Not as urgent, but we would appreciate if he could give us a written report about everything he knows about Dryads (we have a certain interest in beings bound to trees), and possible locations to find more seeds. (Tell him about Rhaella the Dryad if we haven't already)


no point in interrogating someone that even magic will only tell lies about, we need to find a way to trick it, or else just throw it into Yss and reclaim the knowledge as we did Tor.
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Miracle'd mind-reading effects (like Brainspider) are directly described as something piercing this Fey's bullshit though.
Undetectable Thoughts (Su)
Whenever a creature attempts to detect the inveigler's thoughts (with a detect thoughts spell, for example), the inveigler is immediately aware of the attempt and can cause the effect to reveal any thoughts it chooses. A wish or miracle spell used to mimic detect thoughts or a similar effect reveals the inveigler's true thoughts.
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Not that I'm going to argue to save this thing, but we do have other options than just killing it. Ritual of renaming might be able to undo what happened to it. I'm still looking for the source, but I'm pretty sure that spell is part of reviving something Unnamed. It's not the same thing, but it could be related. A little research could bridge the gap.

The actual benefit to this would be in exploring how fey work by examining an outlier state. Also, the enteral loyalty of something we saved from soul deep damnation.

I'm not saying this is the best way forward, but we might as well take a look and consider as a looting optimization. If this thing has enough power and tricks to balance the costs of the research to save it we could get more out of this than a few HD.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Not that I'm going to argue to save this thing, but we do have other options than just killing it. Ritual of renaming might be able to undo what happened to it. I'm still looking for the source, but I'm pretty sure that spell is part of reviving something Unnamed. It's not the same thing, but it could be related. A little research could bridge the gap.

The actual benefit to this would be in exploring how fey work by examining an outlier state. Also, the enteral loyalty of something we saved from soul deep damnation.

I'm not saying this is the best way forward, but we might as well take a look and consider as a looting optimization. If this thing has enough power and tricks to balance the costs of the research to save it we could get more out of this than a few HD.
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Could be VERY worth doing, if only to increase our personal esteem I fae eyes.

Since renaming a fey, especially one so... Mutilated. Would render our right to rule them unqestionable.
 
BronzeTongue said:
Not that I'm going to argue to save this thing, but we do have other options than just killing it. Ritual of renaming might be able to undo what happened to it. I'm still looking for the source, but I'm pretty sure that spell is part of reviving something Unnamed. It's not the same thing, but it could be related. A little research could bridge the gap.

The actual benefit to this would be in exploring how fey work by examining an outlier state. Also, the enteral loyalty of something we saved from soul deep damnation.

I'm not saying this is the best way forward, but we might as well take a look and consider as a looting optimization. If this thing has enough power and tricks to balance the costs of the research to save it we could get more out of this than a few HD.
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As I understood the Fey lord, losing your name requires going against your nature - ie, breaking a bargain. And if it did that once and survived with power intact ...
 
By the way, please don't push to get rid of this thing. No recruiting, obviously, but it is a singularly unique test subject.
 
MTB said:
As I understood the Fey lord, losing your name requires going against your nature - ie, breaking a bargain. And if it did that once and survived with power intact ...
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That's a factor in whether it's worth saving or not, but it might not make it unworkable.

Take undead, even ones that formed on purpose almost universally hate what they are and want to pass on or come back to life. The ones that don't have either gone crazy or are so full of bitter hate they can't see past sharing their pain with the world.

Depending on how this fey Fell, this could be desperate to be something else. It could just as easily be a tragic figure that refused to do something monstrous as a creature that just took its twisted nature to the logic conclusion.

Ultimately all that matters is if it is capable of change and wants to try.
 
OK, interrogation it is, this might take a while though since I have to both present the items and answer a lot of questions.
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 16, 2019 at 2:29 PM, finished with 58 posts and 12 votes.
  • [X] Interrogate the prisoner, make sure the answers are verified until the full truth is wrung out of it
    -[X] What players in the Goblin Market is it aware of? We want factions, names, and known goals.
    --[X] Which is the main faction currently stymieing our efforts to bring the Goblin Market to heel?
    -[X] What supernatural plots is it currently aware of?
    -[X] What were its goals in fooling us? What was it planning?
    --[X] We want a list of everything it's been up to, every plot it's been behind, every plan it had for the future.
    -[X] Who does it work for, if anyone?
    --[X] We want to know everything about the boss if there happens to be one.
    -[X] Are there any other Nameless it is aware of? If so we want directions on their last location.
    --[X] Follow up by checking on all the supernatural creatures that it's aware of to see if it knows of any threats that we don't.
    -[X] Have Malarys, Rina and the Herald set up a meeting with the Hooded Lord as originally planned. You have the token-payments, you own the city, time to carefully renegotiate the rules.
    [X] Ask more questions of the fey lord
    -[X] Ask him what he knows about the Hooded Lord, The Goblin Market, and the Fey that would organize around a Market, and how to deal with them.
    -[X] Ask if it's possible to get the truth out of a nameless by trickery, like in the riddles about ever lying guards, or if their curse would adapt even to that.
    -[X] Not as urgent, but we would appreciate if he could give us a written report about everything he knows about Dryads (we have a certain interest in beings bound to trees), and possible locations to find more seeds. (Tell him about Rhaella the Dryad if we haven't already)
    [X] Have Malarys, Rina and the Herald set up a meeting with the Hooded Lord as originally planned. You have the token-payments, you own the city, time to carefully renegotiate the rules.
    -[X] Meanwhile Viserys interrogates the prisoner because only he can reliably do so
    --[X] Viserys Miracles Brainspider to find out what the hell he's been playing on the market
    --[X] And what he knows about the other players on that field
    --[X] And how he tricked our perception beyond the mind-reading (That was the weirdest part, but blocking Greater Arcane Sight and/or True Seeing was still weird)
    -[X] Do it in the Snare and for another 10-minute interruption, fetch Dany and Lya to counterspell and further tricks the thing might have.
    [X] Artemis
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Calling it now: this thing believes its own lies enough for its book to be an incomprehensible mess, requiring difficult checks to make sense of.
 
Hello guys 1st time posting here! Made an account to read this quest it's so good DragonParadox!

Btw Modify Memory can distort the truth written in Scribe's Binding so there is a chance the fey's abilities can do the same.
 
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