I fully expect the gold this stuff makes not to count as true gold for magic reagent purposes. And honestly between access to Plane of Earth, the Blue bells for silver and the no doubt plethora of dipsh!?$ magicking or devil dealing up gold substitutes. I fully expect anything except natural rare materials to be more decorations than anything.

Honestly the only way to keep the value of gems as a spell component anymore is to finagle some mystical property of the natural stuff compared to coal squeezed by a giant or some Mage making the quadrilliant gemstone demiplane.

Heh, mark my words! There will come a time when low level Spell Gems become currency and Elemental Gems the new Gold Dragon. Nothing backs a currency quite like the ability to crush it and a get a Elemental Beatstick on demand.

Suddenly bank runs caused by turmoil become a lot more spectacular and practical at the same time.
 
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I fully expect the gold this stuff makes not to count as true gold for magic reagent purposes. And honestly between access to Plane of Earth, the Blue bells for silver and the no doubt plethora of dipsh!?$ magicking or devil dealing up gold substitutes. I fully expect anything except natural rare materials to be more decorations than anything.

Honestly the only way to keep the value of gems as a spell component anymore is to finagle some mystical property of the natural stuff compared to coal squeezed by a giant or some Mage making the quadrilliant gemstone demiplane.

Heh, mark my words! There will come a time when low level Spell Gems become currency and Elemental Gems the new Gold Dragon. Nothing backs a currency quite like the ability to crush it and a get a Elemental Beatstick on demand.

Suddenly bank runs caused by turmoil become a lot more spectacular and practical at the same time.
Funyy that you would say that.

The Yi-Ti Demonbinder (whos loot we didn't get) actually had coins that summon Rakshasa upon breaking in his pocket.

Propably, unless DP changed that from my Version.
 
Now to bait Ymeri as a fey that taints fire with greed and more. To paint it as a blasphemy of all the lord of light stands for....
 
Now to bait Ymeri as a fey that taints fire with greed and more. To paint it as a blasphemy of all the lord of light stands for....
Even accurate with what we know now of what the mage was trying to do all that time back.

Also I am now a firm believer in the supremacy of Spell Gem Currency. Heh.

DP if you ever include Deep Gnomes that's the best idea for how their culture and economy works. Heh, nothing quite makes a people as practical but respectful at the same time as weaponizable money. Muggings become a lot less tempting when the target can break the money to break you.

Inflation? Breaking money to make stuff. Depression? Use stuff in rituals to make money. Over printing by government to cover spending becomes a nonissue since the stuff they print can be used to do what they would spend it on.

Counterfeiting? One spell gem is as good as another. Wars suddenly cause Depressions instead of being treated as a easy way to boost the economy with military spending and war economy employment.
 
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Update in beta.

I momentarily thought I had lost my draft when I toggled BB code to copy/paste and hit paste instead of copy. Thankfully the draft was still saved when I hit undo. I will never complain about SV's draft system ever again (or at least until the next time it eats an update :V )
Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 13, 2019 at 3:07 PM, finished with 20 posts and 6 votes.

  • [X] We have our suspicions, so let us call on an ally of ours to get confirmation. //OOC: Probably Ymeri, but let's check first.
    -[X] Call Melisandre to the temple to aid in divinations to help get to the bottom of this plot. You intend to find who's been working against you.
 
Part MMMLX: Red Woman's Counsel
Red Woman's Counsel

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

"I have my suspicions, but I would rather not act in haste, not when this enemy has shown themselves adept in weaving shifting veils of deception," you reply deliberately. It would be easy to blame Ymeri, but then it had been almost as easy to blame the Hooded Lord for never having approached you. "I would like to call an... ally." Almost you had said 'friend'. Lady Melisandre had now fought not just at your request, but by your side, calling on shadow and hallowed flame both against the Efreeti. Even apart from the use her skill may have in this matter, you strongly suspect she would wish to be help in untangling their web of lies that had touched the temple of the Lord of Light.

"What manner of ally?" Haldon asks with some trepidation.

"A priestess high in the favor of the Lord of Light, also skilled in the arts of Asshai," Thoros answers before you can, a little too firmly, perhaps afraid his mentor would be named a heretic.

The Flame Keeper only sighs in relief, however, a weary smile pulling at the corners of his mouth. Who or what had he thought you were about to call upon, you cannot help but wonder. Mayhap it would not hurt to scatter some copies of the Imperial Times over your own realm also.

***​

You find the priestess reading among the ebony shelves of Lya's library, garbed all in crimson as is her custom, like a living flame against the shadows of the tower. Lya sits beside her, glancing between the flame-written script of the Light of Creation and notes in a thin looping script that the shadowbinder must have provided. Her expression is open and relaxed as she turns to ask a question before she notices you. "Trouble in Lys?"

"Yes, but it's not an otherworldly invasion, so I think we can manage it," you jest, drawing a small laugh before she turns back to her studies.

Melisandre looks up from her own tome in askance, though whether at the jest or Lya's reaction you cannot say. Although her expression barely seems to shift as you recount the happenings in Lys, you see the anger held ruthlessly in the tightening of her jaw, in the almost imperceptible motion of her fingers that marks a mage reaching for their most fearsome weapon. Her voice when she replies is utterly calm, thoughtful. "I will do the seeing as you requested, but first I have some advice if you would listen to it."

"I always listen, my lady," you reply without the emphasis you may once have given to the words. The implication that you will act as you judge fit is obvious between you.

"You are a king who does not wish to be treated as a god, though you would not have to struggle overmuch to play the part as most understand it, and for that you have my gratitude." Though the compliment is sincere by every indication, you know enough of rhetoric to suspect it is a prelude to some less complimentary note. Her next words still surprise you. "For all that you are too quick to expect the God to act as a king, to set things in order in person or by royal proclamation. Perhaps He means for this false relic to be a test of faith, or even more so a test of reason, to teach restraint and caution in an age when magic so easily blooms. Perhaps He meant for you and yours to set things aright, or perhaps it is some purpose that I cannot even guess at for I do not sit upon the Throne of Eternity, looking upon a world under the empire of time."

"Yet I have seen gods move their hand in the world and heard their voices," you counter plainly. "For all I am no stranger to slow and careful plans, I can see how acting directly could have been simpler and less painful."

"You do not trust the Lord of Light. I will not say that you should, for that is not something to be done at urging from without, I merely ask that you consider that He might act in subtle ways as well as bold," the woman in red replies, looking almost wistful, as for a moment she seems to look through you to some memory long past, in a way that calls to mind the mannerisms of Menel or Grazdan. Not for the first time you wonder how old is Melisandre of Asshai, though you are not of course so gauche as to ask.

"What seeings do you wish me to perform?" she asks in a matter-of-fact way, drawing you from your thoughts.

[] Write in

OOC: I hope the above does not come off as preachy. Mel is not trying to convert Viserys here, just offering her perspective on the relationship between the mortal and the divine. I felt that conversation is important enough to understanding her character to warrant an update. About the vote, she is fine with any divination you might like including burning XP on Commune.
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@DragonParadox, edited edits of the following update.


Red Woman's Counsel

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

"I have my suspicions, but I would rather not act in haste, not when this enemy has shown themselves adept in weaving shifting veils of deception," you reply deliberately. It would be easy to blame Ymeri, but then it had been almost as easy to blame the Hooded Lord for never having approached you. "I would like to call an... ally." Almost you had said 'friend'. Lady Melisandre had now fought not just at your request, but by your side, calling on shadow and hallowed flame both against the Efreeti. Even apart from the use her skill may have in this matter, you strongly suspect she would wish to be help in untangling their web of lies that had touched the temple of the Lord of Light.

"What manner of ally?" Haldon asks with some trepidation.

"A priestess high in the favor of the Lord of Light, also skilled in the arts of Asshai," Thoros answers before you can, a little too firmly, perhaps afraid his mentor would be named a heretic.

The Flame Keeper only sighs in relief, however, a weary smile pulling at the corners of his mouth. Who or what had he thought you were about to call upon, you cannot help but wonder. Mayhap it would not hurt to scatter some copies of the Imperial Times over your own realm also.

***​

You find the priestess reading among the ebony shelves of Lya's library, garbed all in crimson as is her custom, like a living flame against the shadows of the tower. Lya sits beside her, glancing between the flame-written script of the Light of Creation and notes in a thin looping script that the shadowbinder must have provided. Her expression is open and relaxed as she turns to ask a question before she notices you. "Trouble in Lys?"

"Yes, but it's not an otherworldly invasion, so I think we can manage it," you jest, drawing a small laugh before she turns back to her studies.

Melisandre looks up from her own tome in askance, though whether at the jest or Lya's reaction you cannot say. Although her expression barely seems to shift as you recount the happenings in Lys, you see the anger held ruthlessly in the tightening of her jaw, in the almost imperceptible motion of her fingers that marks a mage reaching for their most fearsome weapon. Her voice when she replies is utterly calm, thoughtful. "I will do the seeing as you requested, but first I have some advice if you would listen to it."

"I always listen, my lady," you reply without the emphasis you may once have given to the words. The implication that you will act as you judge fit is obvious between you.

"You are a king who does not wish to be treated as a god, though you would not have to struggle overmuch to play the part as most understand it, and for that you have my gratitude." Though the compliment is sincere by every indication, you know enough of rhetoric to suspect it is a prelude to some less complimentary note. Her next words still surprise you. "For all that you are too quick to expect the God to act as a king, to set things in order in person or by royal proclamation. Perhaps He means for this false relic to be a test of faith, or even more so a test of reason, to teach restraint and caution in an age when magic so easily blooms. Perhaps He meant for you and yours to set things aright, or perhaps it is some purpose that I cannot even guess at for I do not sit upon the Throne of Eternity, looking upon a world under the empire of time."

"Yet I have seen gods move their hand in the world and heard their voices," you counter plainly. "For all I am no stranger to slow and careful plans, I can see how acting directly could have been simpler and less painful."

"You do not trust the Lord of Light. I will not say that you should, for that is not something to be done at urging from without, I merely ask that you consider that He might act in subtle ways as well as bold," the woman in red replies, looking almost wistful, as for a moment she seems to look through you to some memory long past, in a way that calls to mind the mannerisms of Menel or Grazdan. Not for the first time you wonder how old is Melisandre of Asshai, though you are not of course so gauche as to ask.

"What seeings do you wish me to perform?" she asks in a matter-of-fact way, drawing you from your thoughts.

[] Write in

OOC: I hope the above does not come off as preachy. Mel is not trying to convert Viserys here, just offering her perspective on the relationship between the mortal and the divine. I felt that conversation is important enough to understanding her character to warrant an update. About the vote, she is fine with any divination you might like including burning XP on Commune.
 
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"You are a king who does not wish to be treated as a god, though you would not have to struggle overmuch to play the part as most understand it, and for that you have my gratitude." Though the compliment is sincere by every indication, you know enough of rhetoric to suspect it is a prelude to some less complimentary note. Her next words still surprise you. "For all that you are too quick to expect the God to act as a king, to set things in order in person or by royal proclamation. Perhaps He means for this false relic to be a test of faith, or even more so a test of reason, to teach restraint and caution in an age when magic so easily blooms, perhaps He meant for you and yours to set things aright or perhaps it is some purpose that I cannot even guess at for I do not sit upon the Throne of Eternity, looking upon a world under the empire of time."

God I have tried to hammer this home in here so many times. I hope you have better luck than I did.
 
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We know that the gods sight can be fooled so we can't really take a risk with our subjects. So no real chance of trust.
 
God I have tried to hammer this lesson in here so many times. I hope you have better luck than I did.
We understand. We just don't agree.

Look, Syrax (the goddess of Fate) had her plans go awry. Viserys has seen it IC (hell, he's lived it personally!). So to him, a Bloodraven-style "master plotting with nothing but light touches" approach just seems insane.
 
We understand. We just don't agree.

Look, Syrax (the goddess of Fate) had her plans go awry. Viserys has seen it IC (hell, he's lived it personally!). So to him, a Bloodraven-style "master plotting with nothing but light touches" approach just seems insane.
I am not sure what you are trying to say, I was referring to this specifically.

"For all that you are too quick to expect the God to act as a king, to set things in order in person or by royal proclamation.
 
Note that she is not asking Viserys to trust R'hllor here, she is just pointing out that he might be acting in ways he cannot see and that gods do not genrally come down and act in person every time there's a problem with their worshipers.
And we are pointing out that he is fallible and as such doesn't really have the basis to form unconditional trust. Also him not always helping is his failing not something to be proudly declared.
 
I am not sure what you are trying to say, I was referring to this specifically.
I do understand. The alternative to "God acting as a King" is "God acting like bloodraven, with light touches and tests of faith and whatnot"
As I said, Viserys doesn't think that the light touches style or ruling really works for Gods.
 
And we are pointing out that he is fallible and as such doesn't really have the basis to form unconditional trust. Also him not always helping is his failing not something to be proudly declared.

I think there is a disconnect here somewhere, she is not asking for trust unconditional or otherwise and she is saying that help may come in forms that are not immediately obvious.

Let me put this another way. If I replaced the word 'god' with the words 'master of whispers' and I said 'don't expect Bloodraven's help to be him personally showing up to stab his enemies' would that make more sense?

Whether or not you believe Bloodraven is omnipotent it helps if your expectations are geared more to 'subtle' than 'personally stabby'
 
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Red Woman's Counsel

Twenty Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

"I have my suspicions, but I would rather not act in haste, not when this enemy has shown themselves adept in weaving shifting veils of deception," you reply deliberately. It would be easy to blame Ymeri, but then it had been almost as easy to blame the Hooded Lord for never having approached you. "I would like to call an... ally." Almost you had said friend. Lady Melisandre had now fought not just at your request, but by your side, calling on shadow and hallowed flame both against the efreeti. Even apart from the use her skill may have in this matter you strongly suspect she would wish to be help in untangling their web of lies that had touched the temple of the Lord of Life.

"What manner of ally?" Haldon asks with some trepidation.

"A priestess high in the favor of the Lord of Light, also skilled in the arts of Asshai," Thoros answers before you can, a little too firmly, perhaps afraid his mentor would be named a heretic.

The Flame Keeper only sighs in relief, however, a weary smile pulling at the corners of his mouth. Who or what had he thought you were about to call upon, you cannot help but wonder. Mayhap it would not hurt to scatter some copies of the Imperial Times over your own realm also.

***​

You find the priestess reading among the ebony shelves o Lya's library, garbed all in crimson as is her custom, like a living flame against the shadows of the tower. Lya sits beside her, glancing between the flame written script of the Light of Creation and notes in a thin looping script that the shadowbinder must have provided. Her expression is open and relaxed as she turns to ask a question before she notices you. "Trouble in Lys?"

"Yes, but it's not an otherworldly invasion so I think we can manage it," you jest, drawing a small laugh before she turns back to her studies.

Melisandre looks up from her own tome in askance, though whether at the jest or Lya's reaction you cannot say. Altough her expression barely seems to shift as you recount the happenings in Lys, you see the anger held ruthlessly in the tightening of her jaw, in the almost imperceptible motion of her fingers that marks a mage reaching for their most fearsome weapon. Her voice when she replies is utterly calm, thoughtful. "I will do the seeing as you requested, but first I have some advice if you would listen to it."

"I always listen, my lady," you reply without the emphasis you may once have given to the words, the implication that you will act as you judge fit is obvious between you.

"You are a king who does not wish to be treated as a god, though you would not have to struggle overmuch to play the part as most understand it, and for that you have my gratitude." Though the compliment is sincere by every indication, you know enough of rhetoric to suspect it is a prelude to some less complimentary note. Her next words still surprise you. "For all that you are too quick to expect the God to act as a king, to set things in order in person or by royal proclamation. Perhaps He means for this false relic to be a test of faith, or even more so a test of reason, to teach restraint and caution in an age when magic so easily blooms, perhaps He meant for you and yours to set things aright or perhaps it is some purpose that I cannot even guess at for I do not sit upon the Throne of Eternity, looking upon a world under the empire of time."

"Yet I have seen gods move their hand in the world and heard their voices," you counter plainly. "For all I am no stranger to slow and careful plans, I can see how acting directly could have been simpler and less painful."

"You do not trust the Lord of Light. I will not say that you should, for that is not something to be done at urging from without, I merely ask that you consider that He might act in subtle ways as well as bold," the woman in red replies, looking almost wistful, as for a moment she seems to look through you to some memory long past, in a way that calls to mind the mannerisms of Menel or Grazdan. Not for the first time you wonder how old is Melisandre of Asshai, though you are not of course so gauche as to ask.

"What seeings do you wish me to perform?" she asks in a matter of fact way, drawing you from your thoughts.

[] Write in

OOC: I hope the above does not come off as preachy, Mel is not trying to convert Viserys here, just offering her perspective on the relationship between the mortal and the divine. I felt that conversation is important enough to understanding her character to warrant an update. About the vote, she is fine with any divination you might like including burning XP on Commune.
Made a few edits to the chapter, DP.
 
I do understand. The alternative to "God acting as a King" is "God acting like bloodraven, with light touches and tests of faith and whatnot"
As I said, Viserys doesn't think that the light touches style or ruling really works for Gods.
I desperately hope that you are wrong about that, because direct rule by gods is terrible on pretty much every level for a wide variety of reasons.
 
"You are a king who does not wish to be treated as a god, though you would not have to struggle overmuch to play the part as most understand it, and for that you have my gratitude." Though the compliment is sincere by every indication, you know enough of rhetoric to suspect it is a prelude to some less complimentary note. Her next words still surprise you. "For all that you are too quick to expect the God to act as a king, to set things in order in person or by royal proclamation. Perhaps He means for this false relic to be a test of faith, or even more so a test of reason, to teach restraint and caution in an age when magic so easily blooms, perhaps He meant for you and yours to set things aright or perhaps it is some purpose that I cannot even guess at for I do not sit upon the Throne of Eternity, looking upon a world under the empire of time."

In essence sometimes it is a test, sometimes it is a lesson and sometimes it has another purpose. Either way it very well is the will of God? Is this what she is trying to say?
 
In essence sometimes it is a test, sometimes it is a lesson and sometimes it has another purpose. Either way it very well is the will of God? Is this what she is trying to say?

That is what she believes certainly (with the caveat that her belief system is dualistic so sometimes it's the Great Other and he can win). What she is trying to say to Viserys however takes out the element of trust (which she knows she can't just induce). Her message is basically:

'Wether you think R'hllor is right to do it or not expect him to act in subtle ways, like through his priests. Showing up in person is the exception not the rule'.
 
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That is what she believes certainly (with the caveat that her belief system is dualistic so sometimes it's the Great Other and he can win). What she is trying to say to Viserys however takes out the element of trust (which she knows she can't just induce). Her message is basically:

'Wether you think R'hllor is right to do it expect him to act in subtle ways, like through his priests, showing up in person is the exception not the rule'.

Oh okay then. As long as he isn't attacking the core institutions of the Empire he can do however subtle he pleases. I don't really know what we are supposed to think here. Or say even.
 
We really don't care how R'hllor operates, so long as he accepts that when the subtle approach inevitably leaves loose ends flying in the wind and we're the ones to have to clean up after him, we'll continue to be unimpressed.

So you know, he doesn't have to shape up, unless he wants to ever get any respect.
 
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Okay I want to know whether that object is actually a relic of Rhllor, how it was used to make a fey market and who the original owner was. Other than that I don't have any other questions.
 
We really don't care how R'hllor operates, so long as he accepts that when the subtle approach inevitably leaves loose ends flying in the wind and we're the ones to have to clean up after him, we'll continue to be unimpressed by him.

So you know, he doesn't have to shape up, unless he wants to ever get any respect.

Well there is that high level dual casting priestess helping out... right now. That counts as the subtle approach.
 
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