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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Sep 13, 2019 at 11:16 AM, finished with 44 posts and 8 votes.

  • [X] Go to the Temple in Lys and try to recover the spindle
    -[X] If he is free, bring Thoros with you to the temple, him being someone obviously blessed by R'hllor who is working for you.
    -[X] After having confirmed via divinations beforehand that the priest not in collusion with the plot to keep the bauble from you (and probing at why he has it in the first place), approach the temple and ask to bargain for the spindle. Appeal to the priest's sense of duty towards his flock, and how an unchecked Goblin Market is an unacceptable danger. If necessary point to the good works you've brought to Lys after bringing the city into the Imperium
    -[X] Make it clear you won't be taking no for an option, but that you will nonetheless bargain fairly for the spindle in gold or magic items.
 
I'm worried that any purification would also turn it back into a regular fire-elemental, which negates the unholy fire effect that's the only interesting thing about it.
Kind of? It's weird. Things...

It's EXTRA powers would likely swap to holy? If that makes sense?

It simply turning back into a normal fire elemental isn't impossible though.

Even quite possible.
 
Part MMMLIX: By False Flames
By False Flames

Twenty-Sixth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Haldon had not changed since last you saw him. The flickering firelight light plays across the same craggy face set in an expression of simple unwavering determination you had first seen in the face of a city haunted by the restless dead. When a young acolyte trips as she walks across the temple's great hall, possibly at the sight of you, he rushes over to help her up and gather up the parchments she had been carrying.

"Pardon the interruption, Your Grace, Brother Thoros," he says after sending the girl on her way. "I did not mean any discourtesy, it's just that I know how troubled young hearts can be over that sort of momentary embarrassment, especially under the circumstances." The words are heavy with unspoken meaning, one you are in no hurry to explore. Reports have made it clear that Lys is among the cities most filled with the belief among R'hllor's faithful that you are Azor Ahai. You suppose that if Haldon does believe you are this savior it speaks well of his character that he would sooner reassure a child than greet you with fulsome honors.

"Pardons are not needed," you hasten to assure him. "Thinking ill of a priest for caring for his flock would make me a fool indeed." Glancing at Thoros you note that the warrior priest seems ill at ease. He does not quite meet the Flame Keeper's eyes when he offers his own words of understanding. Perhaps it was being in the company of another blessed by R'hllor beside Lady Melisandre... You shake off the thought. It is not Thoros that concerns you here, not even Haldon truly, but the spindle that had come into his possession, thankfully without collusion on his part according to your divinations. "There is an arcane treasure in your vaults, one of Fey make. I would know how you came about it..." you begin, for there the portents had been strangely vague.

"You must be mistaken, Your Grace. I know of no Fey treasure and have no dealings with such," the Lyseni priest replies, startled, and unless he is a much more skilled mummer than you give him credit for, sincere.

"Perhaps it is best we discuss this matter in private," you interject. Still bemused, Haldon leads you to his private chambers, a set of rooms with simple whitewashed walls filled with the simple necessities of life and that eternal constant of every leader who takes his duties seriously, a desk upon which unread messages and unfinished replies roost like an unruly flock.

"What we seek a spindle that spins gold," you explain once the door is closed behind you.

"That... is a relic of the Lord of Light," Haldon replies slowly. "Aemie the Blind, an old slave woman who had just been freed from slavery, but sadly had no skills to work by nor kin to keep her was struggling to make her living picking thread from old cloth when the the Holy Fire came to her such that even she could see, and it gifted her this treasure to reward her faith in Him. She brought it to the temple, for she did not wish to hoard the work of R'hllor's own hand, and here she lived in comfort due one so blessed by the God for the last months of her life. During her passing she bequeathed the spindle to the temple."

"Where is it now?" Thoros asks wearily, while you do your best not to curse under your breath. A great fiery light, that could be Ymeri, though trying to prove such a thing publicly could be a nightmare.

"In our most holy vault, though in honor of Aemie's generosity I had it brought out to the reliquary for the faithful to see. We do not use it much if that is your concern, Your Grace," the priest offers turning to you. "The temple is not poor, and we have no desire to abuse His gifts to pile treasures beneath our feet."

"Holy One, I am afraid that was not a gift of your God, but one to the tokens that had first passed through the hands of Lys' last archon..." You lay the whole tale before him, wondering all the while why the Red God did not act if this was indeed some plot of Ymeri to subvert his worshipers. A power that had endured through the reign of dragons and the dragonlords, through the nadir of magic, one you had heard speak through Haldon himself would not lightly allow such trespass.

"I... who could have worked such blasphemy? Why?" Haldon asks, shaken. Thankfully he does not doubt your word.

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: The plot thickens.
 
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Said fire could have been Devils, Efreeti, particularly devious Demons, or, indeed, Ymeri.

Or even a plot of R'hlor's.

We don't really have the things to narrow it down beyond the rumor we heard...

One that may have been started to get us off into a wrong direction in the first place.

[X] Duesal
Delegatin', g'night all.
 
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The question DOES remain why Rhllor allowed this yes.

But as easy as it would be to pin everything on Ymeri... Whoever's arranging this has a penchant for shifting blame.

@DragonParadox can Thoros use divination? I can't imagine the red gods is happy to be involved in this snarl.

And can we ask him what's bothering him so much?
 
The question DOES remain why Rhllor allowed this yes.

But as easy as it would be to pin everything on Ymeri... Whoever's arranging this has a penchant for shifting blame.

@DragonParadox can Thoros use divination? I can't imagine the red gods is happy to be involved in this snarl.

And can we ask him what's bothering him so much?

Thoros is a paladin, he can't use those sorts of spells. Haldon might be able to do it, or if not you could call on Melisandre (I would not cut off progress for one 10 minute spell).
 
Thoros is a paladin, he can't use those sorts of spells. Haldon might be able to do it, or if not you could call on Melisandre (I would not cut off progress for one 10 minute spell).
That'd be perfect.

[X] We have our suspicions, so let us call on an ally of ours to get confirmation. //OOC: Probably Ymeri, but let's check first.
-[X] Call Melisandre to the temple to aid in divinations to help get to the bottom of this plot. You intend to find who's been working against you.
 
Thoros is a paladin, he can't use those sorts of spells. Haldon might be able to do it, or if not you could call on Melisandre (I would not cut off progress for one 10 minute spell).
I AM beginning to wonder if it was a bribe to the red temple in exchange for allowing fey to... Do their feyness. (Not that big red himself would treat such a deal as anything but an insult)

If so. That's fine. It would just be better if we could know that upfront.

We're dealing with multiple, many shifting layers of obfuscation here, by someone who is extremely good at what they do.

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I would also point out, underestimating how pissed Rhllor would be about this, and underestimating his ability to do something about it. Would be a pretty far thing to do. Their contempt for all things divine is legendary.
 
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Found what the gem is by the way. Elemental Gem. Dang cheap honestly. Heh, finding out how to make them would be cheaper than a stockpile of Delicate Disks.

Also Spell Gems. Made by Deep Gromes. Heh, nice possible loot from the Underdark. Wonder if the Shaitan have an equivalent? Or if not what they would pay for it?

Also also still wanna pit Zathir in the Purification research for the thorn ring. Maybe this too. Need a god of Magic and I cant think of a better one than best snake.
 
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If Fey can produce Unravelings capable of severing a Divine connection, and warded boxes that can prevent a good from seeing it's contents, would it not be a reasonable assumption that a sufficiently powerful Fey being could disguise the nature of an object from a god's perception, even in one of his holy places?

Ymeri is at least Fey adjacent in this setting, and one with near godlike power. She's also a Fire-aligned creature, much like R'hllor. It's probably easier for her to pull something like this on him that any other gods in the setting.

Who knows what the endgame for her was? Perhaps merely to steal a sleep over of power from R'hllor, or something more substantial?
 
If Fey can produce Unravelings capable of severing a Divine connection, and warded boxes that can prevent a good from seeing it's contents, would it not be a reasonable assumption that a sufficiently powerful Fey being could disguise the nature of an object from a god's perception, even in one of his holy places?

Ymeri is at least Fey adjacent in this setting, and one with near godlike power. She's also a Fire-aligned creature, much like R'hllor. It's probably easier for her to pull something like this on him that any other gods in the setting.

Who knows what the endgame for her was? Perhaps merely to steal a sleep over of power from R'hllor, or something more substantial?
Don't go assuming it's Ymeri just yet please? It's certainly possible, but a lot of blame has been shifted around by this... Person. Already.
 
Honestly I don't particularly care who did it, I just want to see how the spindle works so we can take it apart and abuse the hell out of it.
 
Found what the gem is by the way. Elemental Gem. Dang cheap honestly. Heh, finding out how to make them would be cheaper than a stockpile of Delicate Disks.

Also Spell Gems. Made by Deep Gromes. Heh, nice possible loot from the Underdark. Wonder if the Shaitan have an equivalent? Or if not what they would pay for it?
Maybe we should step back on the disks a bit? A know we've just been throwing around ideas, but if we actually follow most of them we'll end up replacing mage agents with stuff like this:

If Fey can produce Unravelings capable of severing a Divine connection, and warded boxes that can prevent a good from seeing it's contents, would it not be a reasonable assumption that a sufficiently powerful Fey being could disguise the nature of an object from a god's perception, even in one of his holy places?

Ymeri is at least Fey adjacent in this setting, and one with near godlike power. She's also a Fire-aligned creature, much like R'hllor. It's probably easier for her to pull something like this on him that any other gods in the setting.

Who knows what the endgame for her was? Perhaps merely to steal a sleep over of power from R'hllor, or something more substantial?
Disguising something from a god in their own place of power would be a hell of a trick. It couldn't return a blank, it'd need to replace what the god would have seen with a false vision detailed enough he wouldn't notice a problem.

As far as I'm aware it's almost impossible to do that to a mortal; you can obscure sight, but the only spell I'm aware of that replaces the results is screen, and even that is limited to static farsight blocking.

If someone put in the juice for that, then we are dealing with a major play and that spindle is sure as hell not a trinket. It's more likely something else is going on.

Maybe Burny is busy, has a plot he's running, or the true antagonist has a way to stop him from acting.
 
Maybe we should step back on the disks a bit? A know we've just been throwing around ideas, but if we actually follow most of them we'll end up replacing mage agents with stuff like this:
Heh, that sounds like the opposite of a problem! That said I'd settle for manufacturing Elemental Gems for now. Mostly just wanna carry a battalion worth of Elementals in the cloak.
 
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  • [X] We have our suspicions, so let us call on an ally of ours to get confirmation. //OOC: Probably Ymeri, but let's check first.
    -[X] Call Melisandre to the temple to aid in divinations to help get to the bottom of this plot. You intend to find who's been working against you.
 
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