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The Lords of Ruin -- Battletech/Killzone

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prometheus110 said:
I actually didn't realise you were skipping this month's vote. :V

I'll write the update Soon(tm).
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Well there was nothing to say what we were supposed to do or even if we could do anything. This was more of an update on our results so we were simply waiting for the update that let us do anything. At least that was the impression I got probably a good idea to wait for the rest of the thread to see this so they can make their point.

Edit: Here is a plan that people can adjust or just use as a frame for their own. Please help make it better because the actions for the Directorate at least are not that well made and I need a better way to phrase them so we don't get them to start disliking us. I was originally going to put something in there to try and question the TC on why they would support the AD when it is such an opposite to the very virtues that the TC says they value above all else. Since that was one of the things they liked and respected about the Republic.

[X] Playing All Sides 1
-[X] Contact the Taurians
--[X] Ask for clarification on how much weapons trade is happening between the Directorate and the Taurians.
--[X] Provide the proof we have gathered and attempt to convince the Taurians to help set up relief and humanitarian aid alongside both the Republic and the Magistracy to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people .
-[X] Contact the Magistracy
--[X] Inquire about aiding in providing financial aid in the form of materials to help the Restoration buy food contingent on the Restoration agreeing of course.
--[X] Provide the proof we have gathered and attempt to convince the Canopians to help set up relief and humanitarian aid alongside both the Republic and the Concordant to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.
-[X] Contact with the Restoration
--[X] Offer assistance in the form of humanitarian aid and materials to help pay for their own purchases of food and medicine in the form of materials.
--[X] Attempt to convince the Restoration to allow the set-up of relief and humanitarian aid camps alongside the Republic, Canopians, and the Concordant to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.
--[X] Let them know that the Directorate is trying to open trade relations with us and that we will listen to what they have to say but that we are more supportive of the Restoration. Ensure they understand that we need to maintain the appearance of neutrality until we have enough proof and casus belli to act.
--[X] Request that they allow investigators and documenters from the Republic to accompany their forces in order to gather that proof and help spread the word. (In secret brooch the subject of having spec ops units attached if the Restoration requests them to offer covert aid under the alias of a merc company made up of former republic citzens.)
-[X] Contact the Aurigan Directorate, open diplomatic relations
--[X] Attempt to convince the Directorate to allow the setup of relief and humanitarian aid camps alongside the Republic, Canopians, and the Concordant to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.
--[X] Let them know that the camps are for all Aurigan people no matter what side they are on or where they are. They are neutral zones and will focus only on treating and helping the people and not take part in the war.
--[X] Inquire about just what they want from the trade deals, so we are better prepared for their offers.
--[X] Request that they allow investigators and documenters from the Republic to accompany their forces so that we can prevent or prove any war crimes committed by either side and to try and keep those officers under control.
 
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Here is the updated plan with actions for us to take on our own planet as well. Again mostly as a base or framework for other to use. The Directorate actions are bad in my plan and need better wording but I am too tried at this point so look it over and use what you can. I was originally going to put something in there to try and question the TC on why they would support the AD when it is such an opposite to the very virtues that the TC says they value above all else. Since that was one of the things they liked and respected about the Republic.

[X] Playing All Sides

-[X] Homeland

--[X] Start building up supplys and materials to setup aid camps in the Aurigan Reach.

--[X] Talk with the many transport companies that were failing or have failed and being acquiring their assets to form the necessary merchant marine fleet to support the movement of goods and people to and from the Aurigan Reach.

--[X] Start talks with the factions that are against the Directorate to see what they want and see if they can be used to help make intervention on a greater scale palatable to the Helgan people.

-[X] Contact the Taurians

--[X] Ask for clarification on how much weapons trade is happening between the Directorate and the Taurians.

--[X] Provide the proof we have gathered and attempt to convince the Taurians to help set up relief and humanitarian aid alongside both the Republic and the Magistracy to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.

-[X] Contact the Magistracy

--[X] Inquire about aiding in providing financial aid in the form of materials to help the Restoration buy food contingent on the Restoration agreeing of course.

--[X] Provide the proof we have gathered and attempt to convince the Canopians to help set up relief and humanitarian aid alongside both the Republic and the Concordant to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.

-[X] Contact with the Restoration

--[X] Offer assistance in the form of humanitarian aid and materials to help pay for their own purchases of food and medicine in the form of materials.

--[X] Attempt to convince the Restoration to allow the set-up of relief and humanitarian aid camps alongside the Republic, Canopians, and the Concordant to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.

--[X] Let them know that the Directorate is trying to open trade relations with us and that we will listen to what they have to say but that we are more supportive of the Restoration. Ensure they understand that we need to maintain the appearance of neutrality until we have enough proof and casus belli to act.

--[X] Request that they allow investigators and documenters from the Republic to accompany their forces in order to gather that proof and help spread the word. (In secret brooch the subject of having spec ops units attached if the Restoration requests them to offer covert aid under the alias of a merc company made up of former republic citzens.)

-[X] Contact the Aurigan Directorate, open diplomatic relations

--[X] Attempt to convince the Directorate to allow the setup of relief and humanitarian aid camps alongside the Republic, Canopians, and the Concordant to alleviate the suffering of the Aurigan people.

--[X] Let them know that the camps are for all Aurigan people no matter what side they are on or where they are. They are neutral zones and will focus only on treating and helping the people and not take part in the war.

--[X] Inquire about just what they want from the trade deals, so we are better prepared for their offers.

--[X] Request that they allow investigators and documenters from the Republic to accompany their forces so that we can prevent or prove any war crimes committed by either side and to try and keep those officers under control.
 
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[] Do Nothing

This is my first insticnt

I'll be brutal, playing both sides? never works well, it does become known and people do feel upset about those attempts, so... why should we stick our dicks into this mess?
We really can't support the restoration outright, that would be problematic with the Taurians whom are more interested in the Directorate than in us, if we had a decade plus? I am sure that would have been debatable, but we are still new to them, so that is out and we won't support the Directorate for obvious reasons

But, I am going to suggest this

[X] Playing The Great Game

-[X] Homeland

--[X] Talk with the many transport companies that were failing or have failed and being acquiring their assets to form the necessary merchant marine fleet to support the movement of goods and people to and from the Aurigan Reach.

--[X] Start talks with the factions that are against the Directorate to see what they want and see if they can be used to help make intervention on a greater scale palatable to the Helgan people.

-[X] Contact the Taurians

--[X] Ask for clarification on how much weapons trade is happening between the Directorate and the Taurians.

--[X] Provide the proof we have gathered regarding the Directorate's actions, try to set up further talks on the matter


-[X] Contact the Magistracy

--[X] Inquire about aiding in providing financial aid in the form of materials to help the Restoration buy food contingent on the Restoration agreeing of course.

--[X] Provide the proof we have gathered regarding the Directorate's actions, try to set up further talks on the matter



We need to play this slow, and under any circumstances we need to try and convince the taurians or the Magistracy to do our thing, at least not now.
We really should just provide the information and build from that. but we do need to know how amenable or how the are willing to react, if they react positively, then we try and set them all talking together and "together"we try and come up with some response, we do nothing before that.
IF this fails, we can see about starting to set up for actions o a more direct manner, hence why I kept some of the Homeland votes, but even then I took out the last vote because it would be transparent to our partners in the MoC and TC that we are gearing up for an intervention of sorts, before we got them onboard. that is a no-no.

It will take longer, obivously, but it has less chance of angering some of our trade partners over a relatively unimportant -to us, at the moment- circumstance and if we need to do so regardless, we can always say "we tried to talk" we can use a refusal here to spin the call to action, after all
 
We need to start setting up the aid camps now. The people of the Reach need that protection and assistance with the war starting. The camps are not in any way supporting any side especially since they aren't just run by us. They are also to be set up in both sides with the goal of only helping the people. We can't pussy foot around this we need those camps. And the documentation and investigation people are needed as well or the Directorate will just commit more of their crimes. My actions are not trying to play both sides at all that is just the name I decided on. The actions are all to get the other two powers to help keep escalation from happening and helping the people of the Aurigan Reach.
 
Adventwolf said:
We need to start setting up the aid camps now. The people of the Reach need that protection and assistance with the war starting. The camps are not in any way supporting any side especially since they aren't just run by us. They are also to be set up in both sides with the goal of only helping the people. We can't pussy foot around this we need those camps. And the documentation and investigation people are needed as well or the Directorate will just commit more of their crimes. My actions are not trying to play both sides at all that is just the name I decided on. The actions are all to get the other two powers to help keep escalation from happening and helping the people of the Aurigan Reach.
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Sorry, it sounds like a bad idea, we want to try and muscle on both sides of the conflict and the truth is we are an unknown to these people, we have no real weight, I mean we did something in portland, that maybe either side listened, maybe and now we want to try and intervene in the middle of a civil war? on both sides?
Yes, I am sure they are "aid" camps, not insurgent training grounds or, worse, recruiting grounds for a foreign power, the ones that are certainly propping the other side!


I mean, you do realize how it could be taken, right? specially with the way the locals see things, we need to be careful and if we can pressent a united front with the MoC and TC AND we have their blessings? then sure! set up the aid camps, before that? we are going to be looking like very clumsy manipulators, and that is problematic because it is totally not our intention here.
So, we really need to do slow, because otherwise? we might be able to do nothing, piss off our trade partners and at least one of the factions, probably be seen with suspicion by both, probably because the people in this unvierse just don't do these sort of thing without being part of a plot.
 
Chaos Blade said:
Sorry, it sounds like a bad idea, we want to try and muscle on both sides of the conflict and the truth is we are an unknown to these people, we have no real weight, I mean we did something in portland, that maybe either side listened, maybe and now we want to try and intervene in the middle of a civil war? on both sides?
Yes, I am sure they are "aid" camps, not insurgent training grounds or, worse, recruiting grounds for a foreign power, the ones that are certainly propping the other side!


I mean, you do realize how it could be taken, right? specially with the way the locals see things, we need to be careful and if we can pressent a united front with the MoC and TC AND we have their blessings? then sure! set up the aid camps, before that? we are going to be looking like very clumsy manipulators, and that is problematic because it is totally not our intention here.
So, we really need to do slow, because otherwise? we might be able to do nothing, piss off our trade partners and at least one of the factions, probably be seen with suspicion by both, probably because the people in this unvierse just don't do these sort of thing without being part of a plot.
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Which is the entire point of the actions of is to get the TC and the MoC to help set up the camps. Because we need them the Reach is to big and far for us to do it on our own. And the aid camps we set up on Portland are the very thing the TC and other powers in the area liked about us because we didn't get involved in the fighting. The camps are in no way intervention on either side of the war. They are for the people first and foremost.

Also I do have another action that can be added. It is an action to add the TC and MoC to the investigation and documentation teams we are offering. It is more to build that up with the TC so that when they get attacked they are more likely to accept our help in finding out what happened.
 
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Adventwolf said:
Which is the entire point of the actions of is to get the TC and the MoC to help set up the camps. Because we need them the Reach is to big and far for us to do it on our own. And the aid camps we set up on Portland are the very thing the TC and other powers in the area liked about us because we didn't get involved in the fighting. The camps are in no way intervention on either side of the war. They are for the people first and foremost.
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We start to set up the camps while we go to the "Big Boys" and before we get their agreement, that sounds like we are trying to tell them what to do, that is generally a bad idea, we are new, they really don't know us and while they are learning of our circumstances, we act like that and we will see like we have a chip on our shoulder or that we are trying to tell them what to do, plus nobody in setting would buy that about the camps, well, maybe if we were omniss or something equally insane, and we are not and they know that, (even then we would be treated with derision or mockery at best)

I mean, I do like the idea, but I am finding issues in the presentation, we need ot move slower, and try to get them on board, both separatedly (which is more or less what my plan more or less wants to do) and then, if all goes well, we try and sit down toegether (TC, MOC and us) and try to present the belligerents with the aid camps, this not only makes us a part of the "big boys" table (only if just) but with the TC and MoC we have a big stick both sides will recognize as thus and will be more willing to entertain our strange notions/potnetial vector of fifth columnists but since their "partners" (even if this is something we only suspect atm) are in, then they'd have a hard time saying no... they might even tell that since the MOC and TC are in, they might neutralize each other out and those "aid camps" might work as advertised
 
Chaos Blade said:
We start to set up the camps while we go to the "Big Boys" and before we get their agreement, that sounds like we are trying to tell them what to do, that is generally a bad idea, we are new, they really don't know us and while they are learning of our circumstances, we act like that and we will see like we have a chip on our shoulder or that we are trying to tell them what to do, plus nobody in setting would buy that about the camps, well, maybe if we were omniss or something equally insane, and we are not and they know that, (even then we would be treated with derision or mockery at best)

I mean, I do like the idea, but I am finding issues in the presentation, we need ot move slower, and try to get them on board, both separatedly (which is more or less what my plan more or less wants to do) and then, if all goes well, we try and sit down toegether (TC, MOC and us) and try to present the belligerents with the aid camps, this not only makes us a part of the "big boys" table (only if just) but with the TC and MoC we have a big stick both sides will recognize as thus and will be more willing to entertain our strange notions/potnetial vector of fifth columnists but since their "partners" (even if this is something we only suspect atm) are in, then they'd have a hard time saying no... they might even tell that since the MOC and TC are in, they might neutralize each other out and those "aid camps" might work as advertised
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No the camps aren't set up until we get the others to help that is the exact wording of the action I wrote. If they decide not to help we can't because like I said the Reach is too big and far for us to do it on our own. So don't misrepresent the actions that I wrote. And further talks do nothing they have made their stances clear. Talking will do no more we need to bring actions that they can agree with and having them help with the camps is the only action they would agree to.
 
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Adventwolf said:
No the camps aren't set up until we get the others to help that is the exact wording of the action I wrote. If they decide not to help we can't because like I said the Reach is too big and far for us to do it on our own. So don't misrepresent the actions that I wrote.
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But that is the thing you are going to the MOC and TC at the same time you go to the Directorate and Restoration... so how is it wrong what I said? Do note I am looking at the vote in how others will take it not as you intend it, there are places where missunderstunding can happen, others were they will probably happen (mostly because of our different optics)

This is in part why I am trying to break it in two actions, while still doing some of the groundwork we can do and the second vote conditional on this one. I don't feel we can do this all at once and do it properly and if we start setting conditional options? well, that will make the QM's work far more difficult than it should be

Now, if we had HPGs we could have done things faster, we do not, and we still need to figure about how to talk about our FTL Coms (to others than the MoC) but even then that is the sort of thing that takes time, mostly because new tech
 
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But that is the thing you are going to the MOC and TC at the same time you go to the Directorate and Restoration... so how is it wrong what I said? Do note I am looking at the vote in how others will take it not as you intend it, there are places where missunderstunding can happen, others were they will probably happen (mostly because of our different optics)

This is in part why I am trying to break it in two actions, while still doing some of the groundwork we can do and the second vote conditional on this one. I don't feel we can do this all at once and do it properly and if we start setting conditional options? well, that will make the QM's work far more difficult than it should be

Now, if we had HPGs we could have done things faster, we do not, and we still need to figure about how to talk about our FTL Coms (to others than the MoC) but even then that is the sort of thing that takes time, mostly because new tech
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Because we need to get the Restoration and Directorate to agree to the camps before they can be built this turn is all about getting the parties to agree to do or allow things. The only real deals is the one with the MoC to provide financial support to the Restoration.
 
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Because we need to get the Restoration and Directorate to agree to the camps before they can be built this turn is all about getting the parties to agree to do or allow things. The only real deals is the one with the MoC to provide financial support to the Restoration.
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I agree with the bolded, but we really can't do them this turn, probably not next turn either, and really we need to get the big boys on board the idea before we can even think of pitching it to the guys fighting a civil war
All other considerations build upon that precondition, if we start talking to everybody, how do you think that will look to the others?
Why do you want to rush this? I mean, yeah it is going to be sucky on the ground, but the risks here could see the plan die still born if we aren't careful with our diplomacy
 
Chaos Blade said:
I agree with the bolded, but we really can't do them this turn, probably not next turn either, and really we need to get the big boys on board the idea before we can even think of pitching it to the guys fighting a civil war
All other considerations build upon that precondition, if we start talking to everybody, how do you think that will look to the others?
Why do you want to rush this? I mean, yeah it is going to be sucky on the ground, but the risks here could see the plan die still born if we aren't careful with our diplomacy
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They aren't getting built this turn. This turn is all about getting agreements for all the parties so we can build them later. That is why I have the gathering of supplies and materials this turn so that we can ship them after we get the others to help. Not everything can happen in a month and none of my action choices are any that are doing anything this month. They are all getting people to talk and agree to help nothing is being built that is why I said not to misrepresent my actions. The only real action is the MoC deal and even that is not this turn it is not until the Restoration agrees to it that it will do anything. Your plan is bare-bones and doesn't do enough to set up the framework for future actions.
 
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