To Step Upon Sunrise Lands

Twenty-First Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Rather than deliver a proclamation from half a world away you decide to see Yi Ti with your own eyes and speak directly with Tyene and Garin about the options before you, to get the measure of the emperor and his court. You do not go alone.

"You want me to visit to Yi Ti?" your mother asks startled, looking up from the script for the next mirror play, some sort of Scholarum drama to make the practice and study of magic and those who practice it seem less strange and frightful. She gives a small laugh. "I suppose it's not any further than Tyrosh or King's Landing by sorcery, but an official visit requires more than..."

"Not to worry, I'm not planning to make myself known yet, just learn more of what goes on in Yin than can be whispered into a brazier or lain down upon parchment," you interject before she can lay out the many reasons why you should not move in haste when dealing with the oldest and most populous realm in the world. "It feels strange to be engaged in talks with a sovereign whose realm I have never seen."

"Yet the world muddled along somehow in the time between now and the Awakening," she shakes her head and for a moment smiles the way she used to do when you were a child and had done something precocious, before she summons a servant to announce that neither of you would be present for dinner.

"Do you have any idea where Dany has gotten off to?" After interrogating fiends, living and dead, about the doings of the Lord of the Ninth, you think but do not say. Grim as the report may be you do not wish to dwell upon it tonight.

"Out to see a play and then around the town with Ysilla Royce and those Frey girls," she ends the conversation on a note of faint disapproval. "Likely as not they will come back with gifts worth half as much as the stipend Walder Frey gave them."

"Lord Frey did not give them any sort of stipend mother," you point out amused.

"And that means they are not taking advantage, does it?" she grumbles as she dons a simple dark green cloak over the discrete grey dress adorned with just enough silver thread as to not look dowdy on royalty.

"They are children, of course they enjoy gifts," you shrug. The treasury is hardly going to run dry over it.

"They are Freys," she sighs, as though that is all that needs saying.

"Which likely makes them adaptable in ways other children of high standing are not," you point out.

"Fair point," she nods. "I suppose I'm just glad to have only such trifling things to worry about for now." The concern in her eyes is as deep as ever, but there is understanding there too for the reasons why you and Dany must take the risks you do, the risks she too had begun to take in turn.

***​

Yin is a city built layer upon layer on ancient foundations, like fine enamel upon precious wood, its streets wide and well lit even well into the evening hours by scores of lanterns draped under sky-blue roofs. Did the city adopt the color in honor of the dynasty, or was it named for being from the Azure city, you wonder. Something else to ask Garin and Tyene once you meet with them.

As it happens they do not know the answer to that particular question, but once you have met and embraced and congratulated them all in person on a job very well done they answer a great many other questions. About the manner of the people and the ordering of power lowing down from the emperor to the lowliest functionary and the simplest village headman, the subtle differences in what it means to be highborn, the nuances of speech and dress that would take a whole tome's worth to express, the ability to observe passersby at the teashouse window, and much more.

Regarding the matter that had first driven you to visit you decide to err on the side of honesty, explaining the desire for normal diplomatic relations as well as explaining the nature of the Golden Company and their present patron, and even accounting for the agents Nuri found, though with a request that they be left in peace for a short while at least.

"I'm going to have to mind-speak that part," Tyene muses. "If I say it aloud, even in a public audience, I give it better than even odds that someone will try to deal with the spies before time to gain prestige and favor before the throne."

"That sounds remarkably stifling," your mother notes. "Couldn't you converse at the hunt or some other less rigid event?"

"There is no such time," Waymar shakes his head. "To be honest I'm not sure how he hasn't gone mad from all the protocol."

"Habit I would guess," you shrug. "Perhaps the skulls of devils summoned from his court will make his days more bearable. And exchange of lore would not go amiss if it could be arranged."

"Likely not on a first meeting," Garin replies. "The court and the emperor both will need time to get our measure before any gifts can be exchanged, the Son of Heaven, of course, not engaging in anything as lowly as trade," he laughs.

What do you do next?

[] Look for some of the elusive mages of Yin, if anyone can find them without being seen in turn it is you

[] Speak with some of the contacts Tyene and Garin made

[] Do a minor action
-[] Write in


OOC: As I started writing this it looked like another boring summary, but then I remembered that there is no reason I can't just have Viserys talk to Tyene, Garin, and Waymar face to face for some more organic writing. The Rhaella part practically wrote itself when I decided to include her.
Yeah, that felt very organic. Flowed well, and Rhaella's inclusion is neat. Gives her some family time and a chance to visit one of the more exotic Planetosi destinations available. Nicely done, dude.

I like the little tidbit you included about Rhaella writing another MirrorVision play.
 
To Step Upon Sunrise Lands

Twenty-First Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Rather than deliver a proclamation from half a world away you decide to see Yi Ti with your own eyes and speak directly with Tyene and Garin about the options before you, to get the measure of the emperor and his court. You do not go alone.

"You want me to visit to Yi Ti?" your mother asks startled, looking up from the script for the next mirror play, some sort of Scholarum drama to make the practice and study of magic and those who practice it seem less strange and frightful. She gives a small laugh. "I suppose it's not any further than Tyrosh or King's Landing by sorcery, but an official visit requires more than..."

"Not to worry, I'm not planning to make myself known yet, just learn more of what goes on in Yin than can be whispered into a brazier or lain down upon parchment," you interject before she can lay out the many reasons why you should not move in haste when dealing with the oldest and most populous realm in the world. "It feels strange to be engaged in talks with a sovereign whose realm I have never seen."

"Yet the world muddled along somehow in the time between now and the Awakening," she shakes her head and for a moment smiles the way she used to do when you were a child and had done something precocious, before she summons a servant to announce that neither of you would be present for dinner.

"Do you have any idea where Dany has gotten off to?" After interrogating fiends, living and dead, about the doings of the Lord of the Ninth, you think but do not say. Grim as the report may be you do not wish to dwell upon it tonight.

"Out to see a play and then around the town with Ysilla Royce and those Frey girls," she ends the conversation on a note of faint disapproval. "Likely as not they will come back with gifts worth half as much as the stipend Walder Frey gave them."

"Lord Frey did not give them any sort of stipend mother," you point out amused.

"And that means they are not taking advantage, does it?" she grumbles as she dons a simple dark green cloak over the discrete grey dress adorned with just enough silver thread as to not look dowdy on royalty.

"They are children, of course they enjoy gifts," you shrug. The treasury is hardly going to run dry over it.

"They are Freys," she sighs, as though that is all that needs saying.

"Which likely makes them adaptable in ways other children of high standing are not," you point out.

"Fair point," she nods. "I suppose I'm just glad to have only such trifling things to worry about for now." The concern in her eyes is as deep as ever, but there is understanding there too for the reasons why you and Dany must take the risks you do, the risks she too had begun to take in turn.

***​

Yin is a city built layer upon layer on ancient foundations, like fine enamel upon precious wood, its streets wide and well lit even well into the evening hours by scores of lanterns draped under sky-blue roofs. Did the city adopt the color in honor of the dynasty, or was it named for being from the Azure city, you wonder. Something else to ask Garin and Tyene once you meet with them.

As it happens they do not know the answer to that particular question, but once you have met and embraced and congratulated them all in person on a job very well done they answer a great many other questions. About the manner of the people and the ordering of power lowing down from the emperor to the lowliest functionary and the simplest village headman, the subtle differences in what it means to be highborn, the nuances of speech and dress that would take a whole tome's worth to express, the ability to observe passersby at the teashouse window, and much more.

Regarding the matter that had first driven you to visit you decide to err on the side of honesty, explaining the desire for normal diplomatic relations as well as explaining the nature of the Golden Company and their present patron, and even accounting for the agents Nuri found, though with a request that they be left in peace for a short while at least.

"I'm going to have to mind-speak that part," Tyene muses. "If I say it aloud, even in a public audience, I give it better than even odds that someone will try to deal with the spies before time to gain prestige and favor before the throne."

"That sounds remarkably stifling," your mother notes. "Couldn't you converse at the hunt or some other less rigid event?"

"There is no such time," Waymar shakes his head. "To be honest I'm not sure how he hasn't gone mad from all the protocol."

"Habit I would guess," you shrug. "Perhaps the skulls of devils summoned from his court will make his days more bearable. And exchange of lore would not go amiss if it could be arranged."

"Likely not on a first meeting," Garin replies. "The court and the emperor both will need time to get our measure before any gifts can be exchanged, the Son of Heaven, of course, not engaging in anything as lowly as trade," he laughs.

What do you do next?

[] Look for some of the elusive mages of Yin, if anyone can find them without being seen in turn it is you

[] Speak with some of the contacts Tyene and Garin made

[] Do a minor action
-[] Write in


OOC: As I started writing this it looked like another boring summary, but then I remembered that there is no reason I can't just have Viserys talk to Tyene, Garin, and Waymar face to face for some more organic writing. The Rhaella part practically wrote itself when I decided to include her.

The amusing thing about all this is that the more you give to a Yi Tish person, the more they feel obligated to reciprocate in a game of Face-saving chicken.

The hilarious part? We could probably make the motherfucking Son of Heaven go bankrupt before either of us end up blinking first if we play that game to the hilt. 😂
 
The amusing thing about all this is that the more you give to a Yi Tish person, the more they feel obligated to reciprocate in a game of Face-saving chicken.

The hilarious part? We could probably make the motherfucking Son of Heaven go bankrupt before either of us end up blinking first if we play that game to the hilt. 😂
Viserys: "Please, accept the city of Lorath as a personal gift to the Son of Heaven."

Azure Emperor: :o
 
So I think it was mentioned earlier that there was a district where foreigners purchase land usage rights for business purposes.

We could probably buy the entire area outright and turn it from merely the "Foreign Quarter" into the "Imperial Quarter" of the city. Though I would pursue it after already getting tentative agreement for economic and intelligence exchange against mutual foes and letting that relationship develop over several months. Buying a smaller amount to establish an Embassy and ACSEC/Silver Serpent presence would suffice for now.
 
It's a diplomatic malus for no reason, and doesn't help us at all.
Did we seriously become a Mythic Dragon Sorcerer only to play those stupid little games anyway?

We could negotiate with the Lords of Heaven and Hell, if not as equals then as noticable juniors, we have talked to the masters of the Elemental Planes, yet we must take the courtly protocol of any mortal rulers we meet seriously?

These traditions will be forgotten long before our scales take on the dull red of old age.
 
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Our goal should be to stabilize them rather than making big controversial moves at this point. They are half a world away - if we leave with them armed against the BE, Tiamat, and with friendly relations it's a big win.
 
Did we seriously become a Mythic Dragon Sorcerer only to play those stupid little games anyway?

We could negotiate with the Lords of Heaven and Hell, we have talked to the masters of the Elemental Planes, yet we must take the courtly protocol of any mortal rulers we meet seriously?

These traditions will be forgotten long before our scales take on the dull red of old age.

To be fair this is not 'any mortal realm', its the largest and most prosperous realm in the world.
 
Oh, to add to that, our Diplomatic Corps should be used to handle matters of "lesser import" like trade, while we focus on other things. Our own prestige at court really matters less than the optics for the Emperor talking to us does. If we boost his influence by associating with him, we actually do need to adhere to protocol and also seem "important", because that reinforces that the Son of Heaven only deals with things that actually matter.

It would be best if the court does not try treating us like some petty warlord, so playing on our "I'm a literal fuck mothering Dragon" is important in such a way that doesn't read as hostile or rude.
 
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To set the tone.
We are not someone who stands on any position the protocol was created for.
Better to make that clear now, than let them struggle with the attempt to find a box we fit in.
Doesn't that risk putting Viserys in a box anyways? he'll just be another ignorant savage, his power will make them wary but it won't necessarily get him respect. Even if the Emperor fully gets the power gap, which can be hard to grasp when you haven't actually seen Viserys teleport a castle or blow up a mountain, he'd still have to deal with all that cultural conditioning to look down on 'barbarians'. Additionally, just because he's the weaker party and needs Viserys' help doesn't mean he is helpless. The Azure Emperor lives and breathes 'lesser party with a tenuous position in need of assistance' and hasn't completely folded yet. He must be at least decent at politics and is definitely in a better position in the Yi Ti context than Viserys is as an outsider. It's at least worth considering that he might be good enough at using the tools he has available to at very least make this more difficult than this has to be if given the motivation. It costs us nothing to play nice, and being rude might limit how fully he works with us. We can always flip the table later, maybe hold a summit with Yi Ti in the Xorn colony or something.
 
Did we seriously become a Mythic Dragon Sorcerer only to play those stupid little games anyway?

We could negotiate with the Lords of Heaven and Hell, if not as equals then as noticable juniors, we have talked to the masters of the Elemental Planes, yet we must take the courtly protocol of any mortal rulers we meet seriously?

These traditions will be forgotten long before our scales take on the dull red of old age.
It costs us nothing to be polite, or to follow the cultural expectations...for now.

That may change, but for the moment it would be a needless complication, especially when our people have done such an excellent job of making a good first impression.
 
Did we seriously become a Mythic Dragon Sorcerer only to play those stupid little games anyway?

We could negotiate with the Lords of Heaven and Hell, if not as equals then as noticable juniors, we have talked to the masters of the Elemental Planes, yet we must take the courtly protocol of any mortal rulers we meet seriously?

These traditions will be forgotten long before our scales take on the dull red of old age.
When it suits our goals? Yes. What you're suggesting does nothing but work against us.
 
Doesn't that risk putting Viserys in a box anyways? he'll just be another ignorant savage, his power will make them wary but it won't necessarily get him respect. Even if the Emperor fully gets the power gap, which can be hard to grasp when you haven't actually seen Viserys teleport a castle or blow up a mountain, he'd still have to deal with all that cultural conditioning to look down on 'barbarians'. Additionally, just because he's the weaker party and needs Viserys' help doesn't mean he is helpless. The Azure Emperor lives and breathes 'lesser party with a tenuous position in need of assistance' and hasn't completely folded yet. He must be at least decent at politics and is definitely in a better position in the Yi Ti context than Viserys is as an outsider. It's at least worth considering that he might be good enough at using the tools he has available to at very least make this more difficult than this has to be if given the motivation. It costs us nothing to play nice, and being rude might limit how fully he works with us. We can always flip the table later, maybe hold a summit with Yi Ti in the Xorn colony or something.

To reinforce this point, the Azure Emperor's chief concern is to not involve himself in political matters which will damage his prestige or standing. Optics, optics, optics. When he talks to people, what he hopes to gain is not wealth, or pure brute military force, it is for more and more people within his "borders" to recognize his legitimacy.

Anything that could stand to damage that legitimacy is beneath his personal consideration. If it is necessary but capable of causing harm to it, he will want to do it through proxies on both sides.
 
Doesn't that risk putting Viserys in a box anyways? he'll just be another ignorant savage, his power will make them wary but it won't necessarily get him respect. Even if the Emperor fully gets the power gap, which can be hard to grasp when you haven't actually seen Viserys teleport a castle or blow up a mountain, he'd still have to deal with all that cultural conditioning to look down on 'barbarians'. Additionally, just because he's the weaker party and needs Viserys' help doesn't mean he is helpless. The Azure Emperor lives and breathes 'lesser party with a tenuous position in need of assistance' and hasn't completely folded yet. He must be at least decent at politics and is definitely in a better position in the Yi Ti context than Viserys is as an outsider. It's at least worth considering that he might be good enough at using the tools he has available to at very least make this more difficult than this has to be if given the motivation. It costs us nothing to play nice, and being rude might limit how fully he works with us. We can always flip the table later, maybe hold a summit with Yi Ti in the Xorn colony or something.
Well said.

BTW, I don't recall seeing your name around. Welcome aboard, if you're new.

And apologies if I've just forgotten about you. :oops:
 
It depends on who you ask, imperial authority fades slowly as you move out from the capital with no clear break points except in the north where the rebel general rules.
To say nothing of the potentates who claim fealty to the Son of Heaven but really don't do all that much for him at all, maybe even because simply claiming filial piety (the Son of Heaven being the father of all or something like that?) is just what you do and to a lesser degree it also boosts your own standing in polite society when you don't appear as an indolent wastrel or a treacherous cur.
 
Viserys has repeatedly seen and shown others what legitimacy is worth.

Not one of the six cities we rule now accepted us because the people thought we had some inherit right to rule over them.

Edit: if you want to see what legitimacy alone is worth look at canon Viserys.
 
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To say nothing of the potentates who claim fealty to the Son of Heaven but really don't do all that much for him at all, maybe even because simply claiming filial piety (the Son of Heaven being the father of all or something like that?) is just what you do and to a lesser degree it also boosts your own standing in polite society when you don't appear as an indolent wastrel or a treacherous cur.

Pretty much yeah, the best way to tell where imperial authority really runs is to look at the tax records, but Tyene and company do not have access to that.
 
@DragonParadox, so just listening to local rumor mills and what talk of the world goes on in different circles among stratification of social class, what do people generally know about Viserys and matters of the West?
 
@DragonParadox, so just listening to local rumor mills and what talk of the world goes on in different circles among stratification of social class, what do people generally know about Viserys and matters of the West?

Hmm... that's a pretty complicated question, one I'd feel more comfortable exploring IC than firing off an OOC reply to simply because when I write the former a lot more nuance comes through.
 
Viserys has repeatedly seen and shown others what legitimacy is worth.

Not one of the six cities we rule now accepted us because the people thought we had some inherit right to rule over them.

Yi Ti is a subtle and strange culture where legitimacy exists because rulers tend to hold onto their seats for centuries and obeisance from the masses and aristocracy, such as it is not actually aristocracy but basically is, stems from holding the title of Son of Heaven, not from exertions of military force and economic manipulation as in Westeros and Western Essos.

We're considered barbarian realms rather than merely filthy gaijin because authority changes hands too quickly and too often. And you're not going to shatter thousands of years of perception on how authority is transferred and wielded until the microsecond of unleashing Searing Agonizing Firebrands on the entire Inner Court of the palace, and it is more likely to just make people think that the Mandate of Heaven lies with Viserys, not that the mandate doesn't exist.

Edit: I guess technically in Westeros somehow you've got ancient lines who held onto their seats for thousands of years, but they mostly did that through constant regional conflict, and it has to be partially magic and partially fate manipulation that results in even Great Houses more often than not retaining their seats for that timeframe. And even then House Stark for example has the recorded canon example of the line continuing through the female half, and Dustin has the situation with some distant cousin being scrounged up to fill the seat when Lady Barbrey has her time.

That's all informal though. There's no steady protocol for ensuring that right to rule is tied to legitimacy.
 
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Viserys has repeatedly seen and shown others what legitimacy is worth.

Not one of the six cities we rule now accepted us because the people thought we had some inherit right to rule over them.

Edit: if you want to see what legitimacy alone is worth look at canon Viserys.
That has come down to the character of those who ruled those cities.

We dealt with Braavos very much differently than we did Lys, for example, and Myr far different than Pentos.

We want to make Yi-Ti an ally. A stable, useful ally. Just throwing our weight around right now doesn't help that goal at all, not when dealing with the Emperor. The rebels, on the other hand, may experience a much different first meeting, depending on their attitudes and proclivities.
 
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