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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
That's the thing, this argument doesn't work. He's already given his blessing for Brienne being given an Amulet of PfE. We know he prioritizes his daughter's safety over potentially being called a traitor by a Lannister Queen who nobody respects anyway.

More to the point, it's not like they'll be crowing from the rooftops where they got the gear.
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Okay, I just wanted to make this less blunt for him. Easier for his peace of mind at least.
 
And look at it this way! If Selwyn swears to us, we can send Brienne on adventures with a PROPER PARTY.

Internal divisions ahoy!
 
Crake said:
And look at it this way! If Selwyn swears to us, we can send Brienne on adventures with a PROPER PARTY.

Internal divisions ahoy!
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Should we really keep grabbing lords now, when, Stannis aside, even a simplest Divination will reveal their true allegiance?

And that's be fine if Lannisters alone were the problem - (they aren't :V) but we have Fey, Devils, Tiamat and Deep Ones monitoring our every step.

:confused:

I feel like the more people we openly turn now, the more shit will hot just these exact people in order to distract us
 
egoo said:
Should we really keep grabbing lords now, when, Stannis aside, even a simplest Divination will reveal their true allegiance?

And that's be fine if Lannisters alone were the problem - (they aren't :V) but we have Fey, Devils, Tiamat and Deep Ones monitoring our every step.

:confused:

I feel like the more people we openly turn now, the more shit will hot just these exact people in order to distract us
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I share your concern, but we've already flipped quite a few lords in several of the Westerosi provinces. What's one more compared to that?
 
egoo said:
Should we really keep grabbing lords now, when, Stannis aside, even a simplest Divination will reveal their true allegiance?

And that's be fine if Lannisters alone were the problem - (they aren't :V) but we have Fey, Devils, Tiamat and Deep Ones monitoring our every step.

:confused:

I feel like the more people we openly turn now, the more shit will hot just these exact people in order to distract us
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Yes. They're going to know anyway. Why let that cripple us in recruiting? The more we recruit the less potential resources the Lannisters will have to call on.
 
Also if we work quickly enough and secure Stannis the entirety of the Stormlands through honeyed words, guile or subterfuge all at once, then we can insert our own agents to counter subterfuge.

That and basically no one will accept divination as grounds enough for treason, seeing as how that leads to people flinging all kinds of accusations around about how they got their hedge mage to divine their rival sacrificing people to demons or what-have-you, true or not, or even people shouting about the devil pulling Tywin's strings.

Why do you think they haven't already done it?
 
Duesal said:
Yes. They're going to know anyway. Why let that cripple us in recruiting? The more we recruit the less potential resources the Lannisters will have to call on.
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Not only that but moving against the lords on "divination" would get you laughed out at best and a civil war at worst. The Lannister's might hold power but with only magic as the main reason for suspicion any trial would be a sham. Not to mention that we would rightly interfere in the event that things go that far.

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Crake said:
Also if we work quickly enough and secure Stannis the entirety of the Stormlands through honeyed words, guile or subterfuge all at once, then we can insert our own agents to counter subterfuge.

That and basically no one will accept divination as grounds enough for treason, seeing as how that leads to people flinging all kinds of accusations around about how they got their hedge mage to divine their rival sacrificing people to demons or what-have-you, true or not, or even people shouting about the devil pulling Tywin's strings.

Why do you think they haven't already done it?
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One Autumn Leaf said:
Not only that but moving against the lords on "divination" would get you laughed out at best and a civil war at worst. The Lannister's might hold power but with only magic as the main reason for suspicion any trial would be a sham. Not to mention that we would rightly interfere in the event that things go that far.

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With this in mind, Tarth shouldn't be the only lord we should visit before Sothoryos. Who else should we see who Stannis absolutely needs on his side?
 
Using divination is such a double edged sword it isn't even funny. Sure you can spy on your enemies but your enemies can spy on you also. just imagine some lord accusing Joffery of being a bastard of incest due to divination. Canon had a civil war over this issue. Imagine the chaos and curiosity of such an event. Every lord with a mage would look into that story and then god knows what will happen after that.
 
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Duesal said:
With this in mind, Tarth shouldn't be the only lord we should visit before Sothoryos. Who else should we see who Stannis absolutely needs on his side?
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Estermonts, that bachelorette Lady looking for marriage ties with one Stormlord or another, and probably that Lord who's daughter was killed by a curse.

We can rectify that death, we can help the lady arrange a good marriage (with other mercenary benefits in the making, obviously) and we can nudge the Estermonts to support Stannis before Robert, for the good of the Stormlands (and the realm).

Those are three of the most important. I will post a comprehensive analysis if we're gonna get them all out of the way first.
 
I imagine that Lanna keeps a room hidden somewhere in Castamere castle which has a large table map of Westeros. On it, she has marked all of the lords, along with their lands, which she has been able to confirm are now sworn to us, or likely will once we move on Westeros.

She probably keeps most of them from Tywin, however, instead waiting until the situation looks completely untenable for the Lannisters and the Crown. That'll be when she moves to do away with Tywin and replace him with Tyrion.
 
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Crake said:
Estermonts, that bachelorette Lady looking for marriage ties with one Stormlord or another, and probably that Lord who's daughter was killed by a curse.

We can rectify that death, we can help the lady arrange a good marriage (with other mercenary benefits in the making, obviously) and we can nudge the Estermonts to support Stannis before Robert, for the good of the Stormlands (and the realm).

Those are three of the most important. I will post a comprehensive analysis if we're gonna get them all out of the way first.
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I certainly believe we should be getting this out of the way before Sothoryos. We need to consolidate our position quickly instead of giving the Lannisters a chance to turn the tables against us thanks to our inaction. Stannis, bless his heart, isn't going to diplomance these people on his own.
 
Lord Casper of House Wylde: Daughter died from witch's curse. Can be restored to life, other reservations about magic put to rest.

Lord Ralph of House Buckler: Similar to Lord Mooton, he's unchancy but if we can get his tentative support then look to his heirs or close relatives, we might be able to get a stronger hold over their loyalty.

Lord Cafferen: I suggest letting Stannis work on him instead.

Lord Fell: Secured.

Lord Connington: Secured.

Lady Shyra of House Errol: She's more willing to be persuaded overall, and no one can outbid us either in arranging equitable contracts between Houses nor in more straightforward rewards.

Tarth is the big win here, if we can get him now, Stannis will have another strong ally in the Stormlands to lean on with a PC supporting them.

Get all of them and that is seven, maybe eight bannermen to Robert's four. Get most of the easy ones that's probably around seven at the least, not bad for practical purposes.
 
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Deliste said:
Forest's Sense we have used before, it has magnificent range and I think it gets around some of the standard divination blockers.

You must be able to target the creature by tangible qualities such as its build, clothing texture, size, or tracks, but you need not have line of effect to your target.
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Reminder for our trip to Sothyros, when I get some time I'll put together a 'Jungle Loadout'

That includes things like Riversight, Jungle Mind and Sand Table which should let us find anything and anyone basically.

E.g. @Duesal if there are any dinosaurs you need to find just cast Jungle Mind, select Dinosaur as the animal type.

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Commune with Birds - Know what's roughly going on within a mile,

Spectral Scout - Awesome scouting capabilities due to range and duration

Greensight - See through all plants but solid wood.

Calling the Flock Home - A flare beacon only the people you consider allies can see

Trail of the Rose - Magical stealth breadcrumbs, very handy for exploring jungles and ruins.

Dungeonsight - even detects secret passageways etc.

Determine Depth

Tectonic Communion
 
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Deliste said:
Reminder for our trip to Sothyros, when I get some time I'll put together a 'Jungle Loadout'

That includes things like Riversight, Jungle Mind and Sand Table which should let us find anything and anyone basically.

E.g. @Duesal if there are any dinosaurs you need to find just cast Jungle Mind, select Dinosaur as the animal type.

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Commune with Birds - Know what's roughly going on within a mile,

Spectral Scout - Awesome scouting capabilities due to range and duration

Greensight - See through all plants but solid wood.

Calling the Flock Home - A flare beacon only the people you consider allies can see

Trail of the Rose - Magical stealth breadcrumbs, very handy for exploring jungles and ruins.

Dungeonsight - even detects secret passageways etc.

Determine Depth
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Thanks, dude. When I get back to my computer, I'll go through these and see about adding some PoSK to the schedule as preparation for the expedition.
 
Goldfish said:
Thanks, dude. When I get back to my computer, I'll go through these and see about adding some PoSK to the schedule as preparation for the expedition.
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I tried to include a good mix of spells that are also useful for level 4, 5 & 6 casters.

They'll get murdered in CR appropriate fighting but they now have some options for being genuinely helpful in the search phase.

Whether those are students we take along or Riz'neth's locals.
Adhoc vote count started by Deliste on Jul 7, 2019 at 10:06 PM, finished with 52 posts and 9 votes.
  • [X] Plan "So your daughters wants to be an adventurer?"
    -[X] "Your daughter Brienne is the reason we have traveled to Tarth, my lord. Word of her deeds has begun to spread beyond the shores of this island, of evils fought and costly triumphs, of treachery and bare survival. Brienne appears to have truly embraced her calling in the short time since we were last here." Encourage Selwyn to speak of Brienne's accomplishments and struggles, if he seems willing.
    --[X] When Viserys deems it most appropriate, move on to this: "Well I know the difficulty of fighting dark creatures with little more than luck, skill, and a glimmer of sorcerous power, my lord. It has not been so many years since my magic awakened in Braavos, when even a minor talisman might be the difference between life and death as my companions and I fought monsters crawling out of their hidden slumber. We could have all died on more than one occasion for simple lack of adequate supplies." Look to Dany and Richard to provide confirmation of this statement.
    ---[X] "It is now within my means to make certain that others who have taken up the cause of defending humanity, of protecting the innocent from those whom would prey upon them, are adequately prepared for the rigors of battle. If you would allow me, I would bestow upon Brienne the fruits of my artificers' labor; enchanted arms and armor, talismans to ward the mind and body, and various accoutrements to aid her in battle. From my alchemists, I would make available a stockpile of substances, some to use to heal the body, to purge toxins or disease, and others to use as weapons should the situation demand it. And lastly, compiled from my libraries, books and notes which provide detailed information on the strength and weaknesses of the monsters, of how to identify them, and how to defend against them."
    ----[X] If Selwyn seems reluctant to allow Brienne to accept such an offering, or suspicious of the offer, explain; "These should not be considered gifts, my lord. Brienne has been Chosen by the Warrior for a life of danger and violence. Please allow us to give her the tools that might help her live a long rewarding life, one interrupted by unfortunate bouts of violence, rather than a short brutal existence snuffed out decades too soon."
    -[X] With that matter settled, move on to an equally weighty issue, "There is more than that which as led me here this day, however. Horrors from the depths to ward and plan against... and moreover, the matter of conflicting oaths which forebears your ability to accept more than gifts freely given."
    --[X] "Lord Selwyn, for years we have all known of the threat that the Lords of the Nine Hells present, the restless dead stirring due to the baleful gaze of the True North laying heavily upon the Realm, and horrors from times immemorial awakening to devour us all, and what has been done in response?"
    ---[X] "Tywin Lannister, I have confirmed similarly, is known to have enslaved many of his mages with the help of others. Moreover, he uses those same enchantments to secure the loyalty and cooperation of his own Lords, because Robert Baratheon has allowed him to run rampant. His sworn mages and knights slaughter villages instead of preventing the depredation of monsters who are undeterred from their continued butchery, visiting more of the same upon their victims."
    ----[X] "And a worse sin for a ruler, sheer incompetence in letting the work of devils sink so deeply across many Lords of the land. How many more wrongs or failings should I be expected to correct without the cooperation and mutual trust of the Lords I offer that aid to? It is not merely the Lords who have to guard closely their oaths in these days, but the expectations to contend with beings they need a King's power and influence to protect their own people from, something which neither Tywin, near as King in truth, nor Robert Baratheon, has been able to meet."
    -----[X] "My duty compels me to try to secure the safety of the people regardless, because I am not pretender to the Iron Throne."
    ------[X] "I am, and have always been, Viserys Targaryen, rightful ruler of Westeros and King of the Andals, the Rhoynar and the First Men. And I would be failing in my duty to behave in any other manner."
    -[X] When Brienne is summoned to Selwyn's presence, greet her as you would any adult hero, but without seeming patronizing due to her age or gender. She has more than earned the right to such respect.
    --[X] After speaking with her, perhaps reiterating some of what we already told Selwyn, draw from within our cloak a large chest of exquisite craftsmanship. It contains her Adventurer's Starter Kit(™). We will, of course, provide her instruction on the function of the contents.
    [X] Write Goldfish's plan on some very fancy paper (retroactively)
    -[X] Fling the chest at him
    -[X] Cackle
    -[X] Vanish
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