Economic warfare is war on the poor.

Seriously, unless you're doing very targeted sanctions affecting only imported luxury goods, this policy will hurt the poor A LOT.

Let's not lie to ourselves.
I expect @DragonParzfox will write a report or interlude about the consequences on the peasants, which won't be super pretty.
They probably won't actually starve though, true.
I'd agree with you but does that hold true for those at a subsistence level? They're already only trying to eat, they don't have much to lose capital wise.
 
Pokes Segment. *Tywin.

A calligraphy wyrm might be nice, but it is also a goddamn miniature dragon. One random Crown sympathizer sees it and the treason is laid bare.
Yeah, I noticed that, too. Already fixed. :oops:

Offered the Calligraphy Wyrm, but Stannis doesn't have to accept it. And I'm sure he has enough sense to be discrete with its use.
 
Pokes Segment. *Tywin.

A calligraphy wyrm might be nice, but it is also a goddamn miniature dragon. One random Crown sympathizer sees it and the treason is laid bare.
It's an obvious symbol of Targaryen loyalties, but at the same time even the pen itself is capable of discretion. The Calligraphy Wyrms are capable of hiding in pen form indefinitely. It can just stay like that until no one else is around.

Remember how we first met Aebys and how we had no idea he was in the treasure hoard we were trying to loot? These things are very good at hiding what they are.
 
I think the plan is mostly finalized. Votes would be appreciated.

What were your thoughts on giving Stannis a Mind Blank ring?
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jul 2, 2019 at 8:39 AM, finished with 75 posts and 7 votes.

  • [X] Plan "Welcome to the fold."
    -[X] "You have your duty here in the Stormlands, my lord, to rule well and to protect your people. As your king, it is my responsibility to help you in this."
    --[X] There is much he needs to know to weather the coming days in a position of strength:
    ---[X] The value of gold is going to continue to decrease in the near future. He should consider investing his liquid assets in alternate currencies, such as the Imperial Mark.
    ---[X] The price of grain is going to decrease significantly within the next couple seasons as commonly available rituals greatly increase the amounts that can be harvested. He should be careful not to invest too heavily in it, at least not with intent to sell it. Rather, he should make certain he has enough stockpiled to help feed his people should there be a famine caused by a mass shift to other, more lucrative crops.
    ---[X] Present company excepted, the Maesters as an institution are not to be trusted. Thare is a conspiracy within the leadership of the Citadel. Tell him what we've learned of them so far, along with our encounters with them.
    ---[X] Not only is Tywin magically binding his mages, there is some evidence that he might also be doing the same to his vassal lords, perhaps even outright compelling them through magic.
    ---[X] Provide explanations, evidence, and reasoning as needed for what we share with him.
    --[X] Offer him enchanted arms and armor for himself and his trusted men, along with items of power to ward their minds and strengthen their bodies. They would serve as the core of his forces sent to deal with inhuman threats.
    ---[X] This would include Valyrian Steel weapons and +1 Adamantine armor for up to two dozen men or women, along with a Healing Belt and Ring of Protection from Evil for each of them. Additional mundane but masterwork quality equipment can be provided in much higher quantities. Significant quantities of useful Alchemical substances, such as Healing Salve and Alchemist's Fire, can also be provided.
    ---[X] Among what we share will be the following texts: Canticle of Decay (guidebook on Daemons), Journals of the Betrayed (Guidebook on Others), Reign of Madness ("guidebook" on Illithids), The Bitter Cup (guidebook on Undead). Also give him copies of what notes we have on Devils, Demons, and the Fey. It is critical information relating to the true enemies of mankind.
    ---[X] We will leave Stannis with a Whispering Brazier so that we can communicate freely with no time delay, as well as a trio of Sending Stones to contact us even more directly if it proves necessary.
    ---[X] If he would like, we will also leave him a Calligraphy Wyrm. They are incredibly useful assistants who can help ease the demands on Stannis' time while being unquestionably loyal.
    --[X] Make available training in sorcery in our Scholariums for as many trustworthy people as he can find with the potential for magic, along with training from our Inquisition and other institutions to recognize and combat inhuman threats.
    --[X] Offer to loan him additional manpower. Depending on his needs and desires, we can make available trustworthy mages and men-at-arms to supplement Stannis' forces until his own are ready.
    --[X] Shireen's continued wellbeing is also a cause for concern. If Stannis does not wish to send her to Sorcerer's Deep for instruction, we can provide a tutor and protector. Although humans are available that are well suited to this task, we would recommend a Lesser Phoenix instead. They possess the temperament to work with children and are one of the few unabashedly good beings we have met in our travels beyond this realm.
    ---[X] A Phoenix could also blend into his household with little trouble, considering Selyse's recent conversion to the Red Faith.
    ---[X] Speaking of the worship of R'hllor brings up an uncomfortable issue but one we feel necessary to discuss given the circumstances:
    ----[X] "It is none of my business which deity one worships, so long as the god in question is not inimical to human life. The laws of my realm are clear on the matter. But just as good and loyal lords can serve an unworthy king, so too can good and well meaning men worship an undeserving god. R'hllor is not to be trusted, for he truly does seek to make slaves of all men. Beware allowing his influence to grow unchecked in your house and throughout your lands." Offer further explanations and reasoning, if Stannis asks or seems dubious.
    --[X] Finally, offer Stannis the last unassigned Mind Blank ring we currently have available. Explain to him what it is and what it does. Not only will it guard his mind, but so too will it prevent the Lannisters and others from Divining his decision to join us.
 
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Look stop, this mostly effects Lords, peasants standards are at their highest when the grain grows tall and healthy because that is the baseline, at times the sole, expectation of them. While they could doubtlesly suffer at the hands of their Lords, that is just more opportunity for us to look good and them bad.

Westeros' quality of life is so poor already for non-nobles that qualitatively a difference would be marginal at best for rural small folk. Urban folk might suffer as the high born do, as so often happens, but not for very long.
Yep. Peasants will mostly care about being fed, and they'll have a ton of grain on the market... it just won't be worth jack shit. The lords trying to sell the grain will be screwed.

That's why when the prices crash we should be taking care to buy up that grain as much as possible and put it in magically preservative granaries as stockpiles against the Long Night. Thankfully DP's said we've already been making use of granaries like that.
I'd agree with you but does that hold true for those at a subsistence level? They're already only trying to eat, they don't have much to lose capital wise.

We're making the lords poorer at a time when they will all be wanting to have money to fight wars. They will be taking that money from the peasantry anywhere possible. Livestock, crafted goods, monetary fees to use mills and bridges...
Furthermore, lower food prices will hurt every peasant who sells a portion of their harvest for money for clothes and tools and whatnot. And let's not even talk about anyone in debt, or about dowries...

No, the people will suffer here.
Ah well, the people suffer in war. It's inevitable here, really. But let's not lie to ourselves.
 
We're making the lords poorer at a time when they will all be wanting to have money to fight wars. They will be taking that money from the peasantry anywhere possible. Livestock, crafted goods, monetary fees to use mills and bridges...
Furthermore, lower food prices will hurt every peasant who sells a portion of their harvest for money for clothes and tools and whatnot. And let's not even talk about anyone in debt, or about dowries...

No, the people will suffer here.
Ah well, the people suffer in war. It's inevitable here, really. But let's not lie to ourselves.

Hopefully we'll be quick enough about it to avoid most of that, if we conquer before their next birthday they might get away with the same pair of shoes. Post war we'll likely be replacing their prized possessions and services with superior versions anyway.
 
There's a host of other important people requiring mindblank, but do not mind giving the ring here either. Westeros is dangerous in a way few other places can be in terms of plots in the night.
 
R'hllor is not to be trusted, for he truly does seek to make slaves of all men. Beware allowing his influence to grow unchecked in your house and throughout your lands." Offer further explanations and reasoning, if Stannis asks or seems dubious

I don't agree with bringing this up. We are trying to improve the Red Faith, not warn everyone to be wary of it.

[X] Goldfish's vote without that part about Burny
 
I don't agree with bringing this up. We are trying to improve the Red Faith, not warn everyone to be wary of it.

[X] Goldfish's vote without that part about Burny
We are improving the faith.

Problem is, we also need Storm's End clear of other gods if we are to get Stormy.
Other Gods like R'hlor.

So, warning him off his wife's newfound religion is but prudent, sadly enough.
 
In this case it may be wise to dissuade Stannis from any religions that aren't the Storm God. Maybe make a passing mention of that god to him. Have Stannis seek him out through a small passing statement.
 
---[X] Speaking of the worship of R'hllor brings up an uncomfortable issue but one we feel necessary to discuss given the circumstances:
----[X] "It is none of my business which deity one worships, so long as the god in question is not inimical to human life. The laws of my realm are clear on the matter. But just as good and loyal lords can serve an unworthy king, so too can good and well meaning men worship an undeserving god. R'hllor is not to be trusted, for he truly does seek to make slaves of all men. Beware allowing his influence to grow unchecked in your house and throughout your lands." Offer further explanations and reasoning, if Stannis asks or seems dubious.

@Goldfish, I agree with @Takesis here. We shouldn't be saying this. If you'd like we can have a brief summarization in the next vote on why Stannis should hold to the Storm God above all others. A throwaway comment that will cause a rift between him and his wife is needless.

Not to mention that it actively works against us. The non-cultist Florents see us as something akin to Azor Ahai. This statement slowly erodes away that advantage.

Tldr: This topic is important enough that it should have a dedicated vote instead of half-heartedly being slapped on the end of this vote.
 
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I don't agree with bringing this up. We are trying to improve the Red Faith, not warn everyone to be wary of it.

[X] Goldfish's vote without that part about Burny
We are improving the faith.

Problem is, we also need Storm's End clear of other gods if we are to get Stormy.
Other Gods like R'hlor.

So, warning him off his wife's newfound religion is but prudent, sadly enough.
@Goldfish, I agree with @Takesis here. We shouldn't be saying this. If you'd like we can have a brief summarization in the next vote on why Stannis should hold to the Storm God above all others. A throwaway comment that will cause a rift between him and his wife is needless.

Not to mention that it actively works against us. The non-cultist Florents see us as something akin to Azor Ahai. This statement slowly erodes away that advantage.

Tldr: This topic is important enough that it should have a dedicated vote instead of half-heartedly being slapped on the end of this vote.
Okay, I've removed the Burny section from this plan, but with the idea to use it later.
 
That said all this disbelief makes me wonder if I should have written this as a Stannis interlude.
That's be cool, you can cover what happened and then follow on the next segment.
Among what we share will be the following texts: Canticle of Decay (guidebook on Daemons), Journals of the Betrayed (Guidebook on Others), Reign of Madness ("guidebook" on Illithids), The Bitter Cup (guidebook on Undead). Also give him copies of what notes we have on Devils, Demons, and the Fey. It is critical information relating to the true enemies of mankind.
I love that we have those specific books, and I think I remember where we got each.
----[X] "It is none of my business which deity one worships, so long as the god in question is not inimical to human life. The laws of my realm are clear on the matter. But just as good and loyal lords can serve an unworthy king, so too can good and well meaning men worship an undeserving god. R'hllor is not to be trusted, for he truly does seek to make slaves of all men. Beware allowing his influence to grow unchecked in your house and throughout your lands." Offer further explanations and reasoning, if Stannis asks or seems dubious.
"I don't want to meddle, but here's some meddling"?

No, especially with this wording.
I don't have my heart set on giving him a Mind Blank ring. What do ya'll think? He seems like a good candidate, but @egoo is right that there are others just as valid, if not more son.
He is the Lord Paramount of the Storm Lands, and dreadfully vulnerable due his lack of magic.

It's an essential bit of gear, just for the divination protection itself.
 
I didn't have any trouble buying Stannis bending the knee here, the set-up work was done long ago, and the write in for the update was very well put together. I'm quite interested to see his POV, but it made sense to me without it.

[X] Goldfish
 
Interlude DVIII: Twice a Traitor
Twice a Traitor

Eighth Day of the Tenth Month 293 AC

Stannis Baratheon, Lord of Storm's End for but seven days, sat almost painfully straight in the chair he had taken once before in a time of strife and turmoil. When the Tyrell host camped outside the walls, when relief was nothing more than empty words on ravens' wings, the keep had held. He had held. Will I hold now? he wondered with fear he felt neither during the siege nor thirteen months past when Targaryen had taken him prisoner from the deck of his ship. A brave man might die in a doomed sally rather than surrender a keep, a strong man might resist torture and die upon the rack rather than break, but there was no army now encamped outside the walls, and there had been no rack those few weeks in Sorcerer's Deep. The worst the boy had done was ask him to play some mummery so he might capture more ships, but when refused he'd treated an enemy with every courtesy expected and more besides. The reason had been plain from the first moment of course, what a victory it would be for the Dragon to make Stannis betray his oaths to his brother and king.

Yet as the months piled on and with them aid unasked for but desperately needed, Stannis began to wonder if he could truly discount that aid no matter the cause. Ser Davos would have been dead and who knows what devilry would have been worked at Greenstone but for it, and at Dragonstone again were Devils slain before they could work their will on Stannis' smallfolk, ones he had failed to protect. The thought was like bile on his tongue. Was this how Robert justified his indolence? If the Dragon aided some subject of his from peril, then the subject was a traitor and his troubles no longer of import.

Cressen cleared his throat: "My lord, whatever your feelings towards Viserys Targaryen, it would be best to remain calm. A conflict here would be inadvisable."

"I'm not angry," Stannis replied, the thread of frustration in his tone giving lie to the words. "I wasn't angry until a moment ago," he corrected himself. Truth be told he could not blame the old maester for the error. He had been coldly furious at Selyse when she announced that she had known for so long that it had been Daenerys Targaryen who had healed Shireen of her affliction, and that she had later spoken to her brother. That had near enough the look of treason as to make no difference, and all the worse to have been hidden for months with Shireen tangled in the middle. The thought that Viserys Targaryen would use his family to force his hand had made him so angry that for the first time since he had been a boy he'd taken his sword out to the yard and destroyed a training pell with it. Ser Colen had given him a look just like when he had been a boy, too.

Weeks passed, then months, and no letter came demanding that he turn traitor or be revealed, even as news began to reach him through Ser Davos of rumors from the east where it was said great armies gathered, and from the west filled with new exploits the boy had done for this lord or that. Most of it was likely tall tales, but even as much as Ser Davos was reasonably confined it made a bitter hearing. The kingdom was falling apart, and the king was too busy drinking and fucking himself into his grave. Was Targaryen even doing this to get support, or just to make sure he still had a kingdom whenever he got around to conquering it? All his letters to King's Landing were met either with silence or bluster and talk of Lannister plans.

Stannis was not proud to remember how he had practically made Cressen beg not to send the letter that asked whether it was Tywin Lannister who was king now. When he had been asked to be Master of Laws in the same letter as his confirmation as Lord of Storm's End he had dared to imagine that this was a sign that Robert had finally understood. Then had come the news that his daughter was dreaming of fire, and of a girl with silver wings.

Not knowing what else to do, he'd finally decided to ask Wisdom Beran, the most senior of the Alchemists he had gathered, about dreams and magic, but the man had been less use than the Red Priest whom Selyse had found. What was he to do, tell his daughter all four namedays old to slap away a helping hand when he had failed to do so?

He had expected the visit or something like it. Did it carry that long-expected threat or yet more aid from a man he had no right to expect any of?

"Why are you here?" he'd asked as his first question to settle matters once and for all, but the boy had answered with one of his own, and then his sister had followed it with advice and an offer of teaching.

Had it all been her idea? Stannis wondered, the question no more fantastical than the fact that he was sitting in his father's solar conversing with three Targaryens, one of which should have been nine years in her grave.

He almost welcomed the question about the thing that wore Renly's face, the familiar pain cutting through the confusion and questions he did not wish to ask himself.

The reprieve, if such you could call it, had been short indeed, and he was the one to put an end to it as they spoke again of Shireen's education and her needs. "What are those other calls upon your time?" If there was more that could be done to help his daughter he would not stand idle:

And so they told him, horror upon horror, speaking hours through. It sounded like madness, mad dragon gods and cities of horrors under the sea. As mad as conjured storms and monsters? The voice of memory mocked him. He could not bear to speak on this further to offer praise to Tywin Lannister, yet credit had to be given where it was owed.

"The Citadel works tirelessly to understand and counter these new threats, the Lantern Bearers cleanse Oldtown and the Golden Shields stand guard against in the west," Cressen took on the duty without hesitation as he had taken on so many others.

"They stand guard as watchmen bearing torches at their posts," Queen Rhaella interjected. "They are blind to all but what happens a few feet in front of their noses. They watch for Devils, and look how many escaped their gaze. They slay smallfolk who deal with Deep Ones, yet the monsters themselves move on and grow fat off the misery of men. There is a saying oft spoken by healers that I think lords should pay more heed to—'an ounce of prevention is worth ten pounds of cure'." Scarce taking a breath she continued. "Where then is that prevention? Where are the warnings given to high and low alike? Where are the opportunities for men to make more of themselves, that curdled ambition and broken hopes do not turn to madness? I look to the west and see the boot of Tywin Lannister smashed into the faces of his own people, and I look to the east and see his daughter sneer upon the misfortunes of her subjects."

Perhaps it was her voice, perhaps it was being here in the room he had so often visited as a boy, but suddenly he remembered speaking to his father, mere weeks before he set sailed to die. Stannis had asked what manner of man was the king to have commanded one of this great lords to leave their fief on such short notice. He'd said the king was a dear friend, but even if that were not the case he was still the king. The boy he'd been then had nodded and taken the lesson to heart, but he'd asked one more question. 'And the Queen, what is she like?'

Steffon Baratheon had smiled then and said. 'A great and good woman, kind but more strong-willed than many men I've ridden into battle beside.'

Was Cersei fucking Lannister a good woman, much less great? Had she ever been been kind once in her life, or strong in anything besides spite?
Stannis wondered, but he knew the truth before he had even asked the question. She was unworthy to be queen... as Robert was unworthy to be king. The poisonous, treasonous thought lay on his chest like a mountain, but he could not unthink it.

"The smallfolk are not the only ones who must bear the weight of Lannister tyranny and of their fears. I have recently received independent confirmation that he is binding some mages to service by the power of others, because he does not trust them to do their duty. Little wonder I suppose given how the man sees fit to do so his, but still one more injustice, one more danger to the realm," the boy continued, and Stannis could not even bring himself to be surprised, much less deny it.

"Tywin Lannister should never have been allowed so much freedom to do as he willed only because he was fortunate in his brother's skill," Stannis proclaimed. If he were Master of Laws only for a day he would bring this abomination to justice.

"Yet this is the man who might well be made Hand with Jon Arryn dead." Viserys Targaryen was not done, though at once Stannis saw in his eyes an echo of the same weariness he felt. "My lord, I did not create an army to conquer Westeros but to do so with the least amount of bloodshed and death. I refrain from enslaving mages not only because it is abhorrent, but because even with them all united in purpose it is barely enough. All the wards, all the eyes scattered throughout the world, and yet so many times I was still almost too late. I ask you to join me not because I am strong but because I need help."

"Damn you..." As he looked into that future, a future with Lannisters running unchecked in court, Stannis Baratheon saw no path by which Tywin Lannister would not be the uncrowned king of Westeros, with the Baratheon banner to wipe the blood from his hands, just as ten years past he had seen no path by which Mad King Aerys would not drown the world in chaos and misery. "Damn you, Robert, to Hell!" The windows shook slightly with the sound of his voice.

Distantly the Lord of Storm's End heard himself say: "Your Grace, Your Highness, I apologize for my intemperate words."

"If there was ever a reason to curse in company I think you have it in full, my lord," the Queen replied. Of course she would be kind.

Looking into the face of Viserys Targaryen still, Stannis asked. "I pledge myself to your service, King Viserys. What would you have of me?"

So it was that Stannis Baratheon, a man famed for his love of duty, betrayed his second king.

OOC: Well here it is. It was surprisingly easy to write once I got into Stannis' head. I hope you guys enjoy.
 
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