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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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egoo said:
The broken (and "not-really-broken-but-affecting-mechanics-too-directly") stats of books have been re-done.
They still give bonuses, but not... direct ones, and not those that matter beyond background rolls much.
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Goldfish said:
I think the Knowledge and social interaction bonuses still apply. It was the books that have mechanical bonuses to spell DCs, attack binuses, etc, which were adjusted.
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Ah, thank you for clearing that up.

Anyone have a list of who has NOT written a book yet?

Also Lya could probably write a book on the nature of souls and their alignments and possibly get her "Daughters" involved in the writing.
 
lockingbane said:
Anyone have a list of who has NOT written a book yet?
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Ye, I was keeping one somewhere, and those mere 3 people that haven't by 2 months ago, should certainly have now.

Eh, we'll have that adressed later.
Even with Sir Ricahrd's guidebook on Martial Adepts I've lost too much enthusiasm for "bookwriting"-actions to care.
 
Okay, plan updated. Thanks for the suggestions, @egoo.

I'm leaving the Mind Blank ring in for now, though. As @Crake said, the Sealord is already well protected and Alinor isn't exactly unprotected herself. Stannis doesn't have any magic support beyond the wards of Storm's End.
Adhoc vote count started by Goldfish on Jul 2, 2019 at 7:42 AM, finished with 52 posts and 1 votes.
  • [X] Plan "Welcome to the fold."
    -[X] "You have your duty here in the Stormlands, my lord, to rule well and to protect your people. As your king, it is my responsibility to help you in this."
    --[X] There is much he needs to know to weather the coming days in a position of strength:
    ---[X] The value of gold is going to continue to decrease in the near future. He should consider investing his liquid assets in alternate currencies, such as the Imperial Mark.
    ---[X] The price of grain is going to decrease significantly within the next couple seasons. He should be careful not to invest too heavily in it.
    ---[X] Present company excepted, the Maesters as an institution are not to be trusted. Thare is a conspiracy within the leadership of the Citadel. Tell him what we've learned of them so far, along with our encounters with them.
    ---[X] Not only is Stannis magically binding his mages, but there is some evidence that he might also be doing the same to his vassal lords, perhaps even outright compelling them through magic.
    ---[X] Provide explanations, evidence, and reasoning as needed for what we share with him.
    --[X] Offer him enchanted arms and armor for himself and his trusted men, along with items of power to ward their minds and strengthen their bodies. They would serve as the core of his forces sent to deal with inhuman threats.
    ---[X] This would include Valyrian Steel weapons and +1 Adamantine armor for up to two dozen men or women, along with a Healing Belt and Ring of Protection from Evil for each of them. Additional mundane but masterwork quality equipment can be provided in much higher quantities. Significant quantities of useful Alchemical substances, such as Healing Salve and Alchemist's Fire, can also be provided.
    ---[X] Among what we share will be the following texts: Canticle of Decay (guidebook on Daemons), Journals of the Betrayed (Guidebook on Others), Reign of Madness ("guidebook" on Illithids), The Bitter Cup (guidebook on Undead). They are filled with critical information relating to the true enemies of mankind.
    ---[X] We will leave Stannis with a Whispering Brazier so that we can communicate freely with no time delay, as well as a trip of Sending Stones to contact us even more directly if it proves necessary.
    --[X] Make available training in sorcery in our Scholariums for as many trustworthy people as he can find with the potential for magic, along with training from our Inquisition and other institutions to recognize and combat inhuman threats.
    --[X] Offer to loan him additional manpower. Depending on his needs and desires, we can make available trustworthy mages and men-at-arms to supplement Stannis' forces until his own are ready.
    --[X] Shireen's continued wellbeing is also a cause for concern. If Stannis does not wish to send her to Sorcerer's Deep for instruction, we can provide a tutor and protector. Although humans are available that are well suited to this task, we would recommend a Lesser Phoenix instead. They possess the temperament to work with children and are one of the few unabashedly good beings we have met in our travels beyond this realm.
    ---[X] A Phoenix could also blend into his household with little trouble, considering Selyse's recent conversion to the Red Faith.
    ---[X] Speaking of the worship of R'hllor brings up an uncomfortable issue but one we feel necessary to discuss given the circumstances:
    ----[X] "It is none of my business which deity one worships, so long as the god in question is not inimical to human life. The laws of my realm are clear on the matter. But just as good and loyal lords can serve an unworthy king, so too can good and well meaning men worship an undeserving god. R'hllor is not to be trusted, for he truly does seek to make slaves of all men. Beware allowing his influence to grow unchecked in your house and throughout your lands." Offer further explanations and reasoning, if Stannis asks or seems dubious.
    --[X] Finally, offer Stannis the last unassigned Mind Blank ring we currently have available. Explain to him what it is and what it does. Not only will it guard his mind, but so too will it prevent the Lannisters and others from Divining his decision to join us.
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Holy shit that was wonderful to wake up to. :)

Bravo, @Crake. You've just achieved one of the hardest diplomatic victories of the entire quest.

Also, @Goldfish, we should offer Stannis a Calligraphy Wyrm now that he's a vassal.
 
Goldfish said:
Okay, plan updated. Thanks for the suggestions, @egoo.

I'm leaving the Mind Blank ring in for now, though. As @Crake said, the Sealord is already well protected and A minor isn't exactly unprotected herself. Stannis doesn't have any magic support beyond the wards of Storm's End.
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Zherys, then.
Or Rizz'neth.
Et cetera.

We have more important allies, with more of a chance at running into mindfucky things, than Stannis.
But... whatever.

Goldfish said:
--[X] The price of grain is going to decrease significantly within the next couple seasons. He should be careful not to invest too heavily in it.
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Is... that really the thing to take out of scheme we set in motion..?
Wasn't it that it will plummet, but then cause starvation, and Lords need, in fact, to stockpile..?

no, seriously, I'm not sure. I'd just hate to give him faulty information.
Goldfish said:
---[X] Present company excepted,
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I'm having some problem with a Maester being privy to such information as which we are sharing here, btw.
What's the point of Mind-blank then, even?
Hell, I'm really sorry we didn't ask him to leave before Stannis swore to us :/

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---[X] Among what we share will be the following texts: Canticle of Decay (guidebook on Daemons), Journals of the Betrayed (Guidebook on Others), Reign of Madness ("guidebook" on Illithids), The Bitter Cup (guidebook on Undead). They are filled with critical information relating to the true enemies of mankind.
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Add sharing general notes on Devils (we have a lot of them, I assume, from sheer amount of exposure to them, allied and not), Demons, and Fey.

Also, Fey plans for Reach? Maybe. Not sure if we should share that.
 
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Okay no, the scheme doesn't involve causing famine, it's a severe price drop. Lords stockpile grain expecting a windfall because there's so much of it, but everyone is doing the same thing, and can't wait to unload the excess. This causes economic crisis as most lords collect taxes in grains, which they then supply to their lieges, who can't fucking get rid of the stuff, so the Lords have to demand other things or essentially watch their taxes rot in their silos while the Crown shouts at them to pay in something better than grain, like gold, compounding the problem.
 
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Well, all that...
And I think, we can breach the subject of him turning to Storm God still, @Goldfish.
This thing you have will likely be at least an update or two more of conversation.

...please?

I'd hate to leave that for later, untouched, keeping track all the same.
 
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egoo said:
Well, all that...
And I think, we can breach the subject of him turning to Storm God still, @Goldfish.
This thing will likely be at least an update or two more of conversation.
...please?
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Deep breaths. It's not like we just achieved the hardest diplomatic victory we possibly could have short of making Melony see reason.

Oh wait...
 
Duesal said:
Holy shit that was wonderful to wake up to. :)

Bravo, @Crake. You've just achieved one of the hardest diplomatic victories of the entire quest.

Also, @Goldfish, we should offer Stannis a Calligraphy Wyrm now that he's a vassal.
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It might just be me being silly, but it seems like offering him a Calligraphy Wyrm might be going a step too far. Does that make any sense? Or am I being crazy again?
egoo said:
Zherys, then.
Or Rizz'neth.
Et cetera.

We have more important allies, with more of a chance at running into mindfucky things, than Stannis.
But... whatever.


Is... that really the thing to take out of scheme we set in motion..?
Wasn't it that it will plummet, but then cause starvation, and Lords need, in fact, to stockpile..?

no, seriously, I'm not sure. I'd just hate to give him faulty information.

I'm having some problem with a Maester being privy to such information as which we are sharing here, btw.
What's the point of Mind-blank then, even?
Hell, I'm really sorry we didn't ask him to leave before Stannis swore to us :/


Add sharing general notes on Devils (we have a lot of them, I assume, from sheer amount of exposure to them, allied and not), Demons, and Fey.

Also, Fey plans for Reach? Maybe. Not sure if we should share that.
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I don't have my heart set on giving him a Mind Blank ring. What do ya'll think? He seems like a good candidate, but @egoo is right that there are others just as valid, if not more son.

Updated what we're telling him in regards to the price of grain.

The Maester Cressen ship has sailed. It would have been better if he wasn't in the room, but it's too late to do much about it. At best, we can scan his mind for signs of betrayal.

Added in giving him info on Devils, Demons, and the Fey.
 
Goldfish said:
It might just be me being silly, but it seems like offering him a Calligraphy Wyrm might be going a step too far. Does that make any sense? Or am I being crazy again?
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It... doesn't make sense.

I don't get it, but I also don't actually care if you want to impose an arbitrary time limit before he gets one. So how long?
 
egoo said:
Well, all that...
And I think, we can breach the subject of him turning to Storm God still, @Goldfish.
This thing you have will likely be at least an update or two more of conversation.

...please?

I'd hate to leave that for later, untouched, keeping track all the same.
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The plan has already grown very large, dude. There is a ton that will need to be covered.

We can save the Stormy discussion for last, if we decide to have it here at all.
Duesal said:
It... doesn't make sense.

I don't get it, but I also don't actually care if you want to impose an arbitrary time limit before he gets one. So how long?
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Added a Calligraphy Wyrm offer in, too.

Current plan;

[X] Plan "Welcome to the fold."
-[X] "You have your duty here in the Stormlands, my lord, to rule well and to protect your people. As your king, it is my responsibility to help you in this."
--[X] There is much he needs to know to weather the coming days in a position of strength:
---[X] The value of gold is going to continue to decrease in the near future. He should consider investing his liquid assets in alternate currencies, such as the Imperial Mark.
---[X] The price of grain is going to decrease significantly within the next couple seasons as commonly available rituals greatly increase the amounts that can be harvested. He should be careful not to invest too heavily in it, at least not with intent to sell it. Rather, he should make certain he has enough stockpiled to help feed his people should there be a famine caused by a mass shift to other, more lucrative crops.
---[X] Present company excepted, the Maesters as an institution are not to be trusted. Thare is a conspiracy within the leadership of the Citadel. Tell him what we've learned of them so far, along with our encounters with them.
---[X] Not only is Tywin magically binding his mages, there is some evidence that he might also be doing the same to his vassal lords, perhaps even outright compelling them through magic.
---[X] Provide explanations, evidence, and reasoning as needed for what we share with him.
--[X] Offer him enchanted arms and armor for himself and his trusted men, along with items of power to ward their minds and strengthen their bodies. They would serve as the core of his forces sent to deal with inhuman threats.
---[X] This would include Valyrian Steel weapons and +1 Adamantine armor for up to two dozen men or women, along with a Healing Belt and Ring of Protection from Evil for each of them. Additional mundane but masterwork quality equipment can be provided in much higher quantities. Significant quantities of useful Alchemical substances, such as Healing Salve and Alchemist's Fire, can also be provided.
---[X] Among what we share will be the following texts: Canticle of Decay (guidebook on Daemons), Journals of the Betrayed (Guidebook on Others), Reign of Madness ("guidebook" on Illithids), The Bitter Cup (guidebook on Undead). Also give him copies of what notes we have on Devils, Demons, and the Fey. It is critical information relating to the true enemies of mankind.
---[X] We will leave Stannis with a Whispering Brazier so that we can communicate freely with no time delay, as well as a trio of Sending Stones to contact us even more directly if it proves necessary.
---[X] If he would like, we will also leave him a Calligraphy Wyrm. They are incredibly useful assistants who can help ease the demands on Stannis' time while being unquestionably loyal.
--[X] Make available training in sorcery in our Scholariums for as many trustworthy people as he can find with the potential for magic, along with training from our Inquisition and other institutions to recognize and combat inhuman threats.
--[X] Offer to loan him additional manpower. Depending on his needs and desires, we can make available trustworthy mages and men-at-arms to supplement Stannis' forces until his own are ready.
--[X] Shireen's continued wellbeing is also a cause for concern. If Stannis does not wish to send her to Sorcerer's Deep for instruction, we can provide a tutor and protector. Although humans are available that are well suited to this task, we would recommend a Lesser Phoenix instead. They possess the temperament to work with children and are one of the few unabashedly good beings we have met in our travels beyond this realm.
---[X] A Phoenix could also blend into his household with little trouble, considering Selyse's recent conversion to the Red Faith.
---[] Speaking of the worship of R'hllor brings up an uncomfortable issue but one we feel necessary to discuss given the circumstances:
----[] "It is none of my business which deity one worships, so long as the god in question is not inimical to human life. The laws of my realm are clear on the matter. But just as good and loyal lords can serve an unworthy king, so too can good and well meaning men worship an undeserving god. R'hllor is not to be trusted, for he truly does seek to make slaves of all men. Beware allowing his influence to grow unchecked in your house and throughout your lands." Offer further explanations and reasoning, if Stannis asks or seems dubious.
--[X] Finally, offer Stannis the last unassigned Mind Blank ring we currently have available. Explain to him what it is and what it does. Not only will it guard his mind, but so too will it prevent the Lannisters and others from Divining his decision to join us.
 
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Crake said:
Okay no, the scheme doesn't involve causing famine, it's a severe price drop. Lords stockpile grain expecting a windfall because there's so much of it, but everyone is doing the same thing, and can't wait to unload the excess. This causes economic crisis as most lords collect taxes in grains, which they then supply to their lieges, who can't fucking get rid of the stuff, so the Lords have to demand other things or essentially watch their taxes rot in their silos while the Crown shouts at them to pay in something better than grain, like gold, compounding the problem.
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Economic warfare is war on the poor.

Seriously, unless you're doing very targeted sanctions affecting only imported luxury goods, this policy will hurt the poor A LOT.

Let's not lie to ourselves.
I expect @DragonParzfox will write a report or interlude about the consequences on the peasants, which won't be super pretty.
They probably won't actually starve though, true.
 
Goldfish said:
The plan has already grown very large, dude. There is a ton that will need to be covered.
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Precisely my point, tho'.
No way to cover it all in 1 update without rushing it all, so no reason not to add Stormy...
But, again, whatever.

I'll be here.
Waiting.
Nagging.
:drevil:
 
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TalonofAnathrax said:
Economic warfare is war on the poor.

Seriously, unless you're doing very targeted sanctions affecting only imported luxury goods, this policy will hurt the poor A LOT.

Let's not lie to ourselves.
I expect @DragonParzfox will write a report or interlude about the consequences on the peasants, which won't be super pretty.
They probably won't actually starve though, true.
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Look stop, this mostly effects Lords, peasants standards are at their highest when the grain grows tall and healthy because that is the baseline, at times the sole, expectation of them. While they could doubtlesly suffer at the hands of their Lords, that is just more opportunity for us to look good and them bad.

Westeros' quality of life is so poor already for non-nobles that qualitatively a difference would be marginal at best for rural small folk. Urban folk might suffer as the high born do, as so often happens, but not for very long.
 
Crake said:
Look stop, this mostly effects Lords, peasants standards are at their highest when the grain grows tall and healthy because that is the baseline, at times the sole, expectation of them. While they could doubtlesly suffer at the hands of their Lords, that is just more opportunity for us to look good and them bad.

Westeros' quality of life is so poor already for non-nobles that qualitatively a difference would be marginal at best for rural small folk. Urban folk might suffer as the high born do, as so often happens, but not for very long.
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Yep. Peasants will mostly care about being fed, and they'll have a ton of grain on the market... it just won't be worth jack shit. The lords trying to sell the grain will be screwed.

That's why when the prices crash we should be taking care to buy up that grain as much as possible and put it in magically preservative granaries as stockpiles against the Long Night. Thankfully DP's said we've already been making use of granaries like that.
 
[X] Goldfish

Looked over the plan, it seems solid and since I'm going to be on sporadically will just name vote.
 
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