@Cetashwayo if a citizen dies without any heirs, his lands and personal properties goes to the state, correct? Is the concept of estate tax a thing yet? How about orphans and other wards of the state, is there an orphanage or are they just left for the temples to take care of? How high is the infant mortality rate and death rate of mothers dying due to childbirth?

Edit: on an unrelated note, if the awards vote win, does that mean that it is possible to give military ribbons to those who serve on this such and such campaign? How about commemorative mugs/jugs? Where are we on music by the way and tunes? Do we use drums in forming up the hoplites? Or is it just used in the navy for the cadence of rowers?
 
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[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.

[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.

[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.

Will need to think about the honours vote.
 
Fah! The tidings this year bring an ill wind. Truly I am sad to see that my fears with Thurii have proven exactly right. As expected, they question the use of their alliance with us. Kymai is under worse pressure from the shepherds. Syrakousai has almost completed her plans for Sicily. It is welcome to hear of the good reception Obander has recieved from Krotone, Rhegion and Metapontion.

News from Taras, I think, bodes very well. I am filled with admiration for the plans of Telesphoros of the peace party. We should take this proposed peace and encourage the peace party. Their plans will make Taras into a valuable ally for us. Though also potentially a more dangerous rival.

And truly, Obander's platform shows itself even more wise as news comes in. Though tensions mount across Sicily and Italia, we may yet frustrate the ambitions of Syrakousai and the pro-Athenian faction in Thurii.

[OOC note] Voting for Ploutos mainly because I like the redistributive element of showering the poorest women in the city in money. Often in this era, the poorest women will tend to be widows with children and old women without sons to support them.

[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos.A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea.A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.

[X] [Honors] The city has no masters except the Gods, none to worship except those in the heavens. To elevate men to such a degree threatens the rise of tyrants.

As to the matter of honours, I believe Skatarios has the right of it. Eretria has always been marked apart from the humility of our best men, who have brought us stability by their obedience to the ekklesia and by recognizing it is time to yield the stage when the city needs the skills of another. It is true that Mnemnon did well in his term, achieving all he promised to the city and behaving with exemplary humility when the ekklesia judged that these years required the skills Obander had, rather than his skills. And by this he shows that he is a worthy successor to the traditions Herodion, Drako and Eusebios set down. But this idea of crowning men with the laurels of Apollo is an attack on one of the most important founding traditions of the city! Citizens! You MUST NOT pass this measure!


These are the urgent words of Kleon son of Aristophanes!
 
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[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.
[X] [Winter] The Ascendency of Zeus Olympios. A monumental festival that celebrates the military victory of Zeus Olympios of the titans and the end of the titanomachia, the war against them. The ascendency has become increasingly popular in Eretria due to the influence of her olympic contestants who have been so shaken by the recently completed statue of Zeus at Olympia that have returned to their faith more vigorous than ever. The true supreme God of the Hellenes, Zeus deserves to be celebrated with vym and vigor in a military and civic parade. During the Ascendency, there is a battle among those representing the titans and olympians, with brawling and wooden swords, and a competition involving a ball which represents control of the heavens between two teams.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.
 
I find it rather amusing that the story of Ploutos and Nomisnia continues the Eretrian? trend of gods coming together in marriage thanks to third party/ies interfering. The monster who wounded Athene brings her together with Apollo, then the wedded pair connect Demeter and Poseidon. Now, we have Ploutos and Nomisnia finding love thanks to Aphrodite and Hermes.
 
If any man is against the peace terms with Taras, let him voice his concerns, so they may be addressed.

Regarding the festivals, I admit that I feel a bit strange that a council of men would decide which womanly festival fair Eretria should celebrate. Especially concerning myself who, in the running of the weasels that is life, has received more of the stick than of the weasel. I do like the 'shower of drachmas' to the poorest women of the city bit, though.

As for the winter festival...

The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians...

Of course, Eretria owes its existence to generous Poseidon, and we would do well to honour him.

I'll cast my stone on the last matter when I have given it more thought.

[x] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[x] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea.A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
 
[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Conquest of the Sea. A grand festival involving mock sea battles and swimming contests which celebrates Poseidon's subjugation of all the creatures of the sea. Poseidon is a popular god across Italia and Sicilia, in sharp contrast to his sometimes muted worship among Ionians on the Mainland. The Conquest of the Sea, conducted in the chilly mid-winter, promises to bring fantastic seafood to the mouths of hungry Eretrians and celebrate the city's naval and commercial traditions as well as thank the Gods for the first voyage that Eretria ever undertook. The greatest part of the festival is the battle between rowers in painted boats representing the dolphins allied to Poseidon and the krakens who oppose him, who conduct a mock ram battle with their boats, trying to tip each other over in the harbor of the fifty masts.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

Eutychion, son of Eutychos, advocates thusly: to strengthen ties with Taras, to pay homage to Ploutos and Poseidon, and to honor and memorialize men of arete. My father found Herodion in his journeys a mere psiloi, and returned with with enough to maintain a panoply. The greatest bounty of our beloved city comes from the sea, not to mention Poseidon's Mercy in our flight from the Mede.
 
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[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Courting of Ploutos. A more humorous and commercially oriented women's festival, the courting of Ploutos tells the story of Ploutos' attempts to flee from the bounds of marriage and love in favor of commerce. Celebrated in Eretria as the source of the city's trade wealth, Ploutos is surprisingly popular among widows and wealthy women because of this particular tale's affirmation of the importance of women to wealth. After fleeing from every potential mate, Aphrodite grows incredibly frustrated and crafts Nomisnia, a demigoddess who is good at creating wealth as Ploutos; the two immediately become competitors, further frustrating her. Finally, at last, Hermes intervenes, and convinces the two that they would have double the wealth if they were married, and at last the two accept, finding love in mutual success at business. The festival is celebrated through a dramatic re-enactment, dances between lovers, and a literal shower of drachmas given to the poorest women of the city.
[X] [Winter] The Ascendency of Zeus Olympios. A monumental festival that celebrates the military victory of Zeus Olympios of the titans and the end of the titanomachia, the war against them. The ascendency has become increasingly popular in Eretria due to the influence of her olympic contestants who have been so shaken by the recently completed statue of Zeus at Olympia that have returned to their faith more vigorous than ever. The true supreme God of the Hellenes, Zeus deserves to be celebrated with vym and vigor in a military and civic parade. During the Ascendency, there is a battle among those representing the titans and olympians, with brawling and wooden swords, and a competition involving a ball which represents control of the heavens between two teams.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.
 
[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone. Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.
[X] [Winter] The Ascendency of Zeus Olympios. A monumental festival that celebrates the military victory of Zeus Olympios of the titans and the end of the titanomachia, the war against them. The ascendency has become increasingly popular in Eretria due to the influence of her olympic contestants who have been so shaken by the recently completed statue of Zeus at Olympia that have returned to their faith more vigorous than ever. The true supreme God of the Hellenes, Zeus deserves to be celebrated with vym and vigor in a military and civic parade. During the Ascendency, there is a battle among those representing the titans and olympians, with brawling and wooden swords, and a competition involving a ball which represents control of the heavens between two teams.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

Your vote has been improperly cast, brother! You would do well to place a [X] upon thy vote, that it may be properly counted!
You mean by standing on a rock, surely? The old, hallowed, noble Eretrian tradition of lithocracy!
 
@Cetashwayo if a citizen dies without any heirs, his lands and personal properties goes to the state, correct? Is the concept of estate tax a thing yet? How about orphans and other wards of the state, is there an orphanage or are they just left for the temples to take care of? How high is the infant mortality rate and death rate of mothers dying due to childbirth?

Edit: on an unrelated note, if the awards vote win, does that mean that it is possible to give military ribbons to those who serve on this such and such campaign? How about commemorative mugs/jugs? Where are we on music by the way and tunes? Do we use drums in forming up the hoplites? Or is it just used in the navy for the cadence of rowers?

1. Generally if this is because of war then the children will be given enough money and supplies to survive on their own. If they're very young they may be adopted by another family; usually there's enough social bonds that the state doesn't have to set in.
2. If a citizen dies with absolutely no heirs, it does go to the state, yes. It's just unlikely if there isn't an extreme event.
3. 40% of children will die before they hit age 5. Not sure about the number of mothers who die.

There are already military trophies given out in battle. Flutes are used for military marches. Drums are used in the navy though at times I have imagined hoplite snare drummer boys like some bizarre mix of the revolutionary war Continental Army and ancient Greece.

I find it rather amusing that the story of Ploutos and Nomisnia continues the Eretrian? trend of gods coming together in marriage thanks to third party/ies interfering. The monster who wounded Athene brings her together with Apollo, then the wedded pair connect Demeter and Poseidon. Now, we have Ploutos and Nomisnia finding love thanks to Aphrodite and Hermes.

A very intentional theming.
 
[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Spring] The Return of Persephone.Favored by many married women, the return of Persephone is a re-enaction of the drama of Persephone's departure from Hades. Having been married happily to Hades for six months of the year, for in this interpretation she is not kidnapped but seduced away from her domineering mother, the young Persephone must say goodbye to her beloved husband and lord of the underworld. Persephone is presented here as a traditional woman, but also an icon of femininity, beloved by many women in Eretria for giving them someone to look up to. Embued in mystery and icons of the dead, the Return of Persephone is a festival that celebrates the transition from winter to spring and from death to life, the birth of new children, and draws heavily from the Eleusinian mysteries near Athenai, that famed mystery cult.
[X] [Winter] The Ascendency of Zeus Olympios. A monumental festival that celebrates the military victory of Zeus Olympios of the titans and the end of the titanomachia, the war against them. The ascendency has become increasingly popular in Eretria due to the influence of her olympic contestants who have been so shaken by the recently completed statue of Zeus at Olympia that have returned to their faith more vigorous than ever. The true supreme God of the Hellenes, Zeus deserves to be celebrated with vym and vigor in a military and civic parade. During the Ascendency, there is a battle among those representing the titans and olympians, with brawling and wooden swords, and a competition involving a ball which represents control of the heavens between two teams.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.
 
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I'd like to give @Varano a warm welcome, given they appear to have liked almost every single post in this thread and left me with this alert message after being away for two hours:

 
[X] [Taras] Accept the Tarentine terms.
[X] [Honors] Pass the motion proposing the reward of a Wreath of Apollon and inscribing on the Painted Relief of Athene as the highest rewards that can be given to a citizen, to be decided by a 60% vote in the assembly for the wreath and an 80% vote for the Painted Stone.

Too out of it to post my vote with the IC part, especially since it would have Theopilos the Elder and Theopilos the Younger arguing about the festivals, with father arguing in favor of Persephone and Zeus and son arguing in favor of Ploutos and Poseidon.
Adhoc vote count started by Godwinson on Jun 9, 2019 at 12:36 AM, finished with 3141 posts and 68 votes.
 
"Men of Eretria! How can we pretend that it be impiety to bestow a crown of laurels upon one praised by the ekklesia? This is the same honor one might win in a footrace or a wrestling match! This is no divine honor, but one befitting a man who has served well and shown his excellence and merit! And likewise to have one's name engraved upon a stone by the city? There is no way that such things could be mistaken for worship; they are nothing more than markers of the city's esteem!"

You mean by standing on a rock, surely? The old, hallowed, noble Eretrian tradition of lithocracy!
"Nay, my friend! To address the assembly you stand upon a rock, but to vote, you must throw a rock!"
 
1. Generally if this is because of war then the children will be given enough money and supplies to survive on their own. If they're very young they may be adopted by another family; usually there's enough social bonds that the state doesn't have to set in.
2. If a citizen dies with absolutely no heirs, it does go to the state, yes. It's just unlikely if there isn't an extreme event.
3. 40% of children will die before they hit age 5. Not sure about the number of mothers who die.

There are already military trophies given out in battle. Flutes are used for military marches. Drums are used in the navy though at times I have imagined hoplite snare drummer boys like some bizarre mix of the revolutionary war Continental Army and ancient Greece.



A very intentional theming.
In our city, is disease or hunger the major cause of said child mortality rate? Do we have an IC survey of this? Has anyone noticed a trend yet of where and how children survive and where they die?
 
In our city, is disease or hunger the major cause of said child mortality rate? Do we have an IC survey of this?

Uh, no, this is the classical era, your ministry of health is not doing surveys. But the major answer is going to be disease and malnourishment as it always has been until the modern era.
 
Uh, no, this is the classical era, your ministry of health is not doing surveys. But the major answer is going to be disease and malnourishment as it always has been until the modern era.
But has anyone in our city noticed a trend? Maybe hotspots of disease and miasma and some such? How are midwives trained during this time? Maybe we can do nothing for children dying of disease, but surely we have enough foodstocks to feed the malnourished?
 
But has anyone in our city noticed a trend? Maybe hotspots of disease and miasma and some such? How are midwives trained during this time? Maybe we can do nothing for children dying of disease, but surely we have enough foodstocks to feed the malnourished?

Feeding the malnourished with what welfare system?
 
Regarding the festivals, I admit that I feel a bit strange that a council of men would decide which womanly festival fair Eretria should celebrate. Especially concerning myself who, in the running of the weasels that is life, has received more of the stick than of the weasel. I do like the 'shower of drachmas' to the poorest women of the city bit, though.

...you do realize that we are still in the classical era right?

Only land-owning men over 30, born of parents who are both citizens are allowed to vote.

We are a long way from universal voting rights. I am just glad we are celebrating one at all.

While that is a satisfying image, it is only one woman that receives the treatment, and I find it likely that it goes as well as winning the lottery :/
 
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