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Not only is Eretria a Liftocracy, but it's also a shonen protagonist, we beat people up and they later become our loyal friends!Killing our enemies would go against the time-honoured Eretrian tradition of BEFRIENDING
Not only is Eretria a Liftocracy, but it's also a shonen protagonist, we beat people up and they later become our loyal friends!Killing our enemies would go against the time-honoured Eretrian tradition of BEFRIENDING
This is more accurate.*Samnite formations rush forward across the valley, an oncoming storm of taut muscle and deadly steel*
Italiote Alliance: "Well, comrades, this will be a difficult battle-"
Eretria:
[snip]
"NEW FRIENDS, NEW FRIENDS, NEW FRIENDS!!"
On Kerkyra ...?
Our Expenses on Salaries & Subsidies went from 17 to 21 Talents, even though the original price tag for the Office of Barbarian Commerce was 3 Talents per turn.
On the map Hyria is still the cultural center of the Messapii. Is this something we can expect to change now that we elevated Artahias of Neriton?
@Cetashwayo, what are the Sicels, Sycani and Elymi doing?
Are they also joining the conference? Are they interested in joining an Anti-Syracuse alliance?
Also, is Morgantina a Greek city or a Sicel city in your quest?
I propose we call from now on a Thalassa Strategos who can lead the fight on the seas in case war comes and we need to fight anyone's navy!
In fact, go to Rhegion first and say that to them before going to Lokri with the alliance proposal! Giving Rhegion advance warning and consulting with them about it should lessen any hard feelings on Rhegion's part!
@Cetashwayo, a question regarding something in your FAQ.
You explained many cities tightened citizenship rules to make it so both parents had to be citizens. You also explained only Greeks can be citizens. But what is Eretria's specific rule on Citizenship and on the requirements for attaining Metic status? Are we an exact copy of Athens in that, with exception in case of letting heroic metics become citizens? Or is there something else?
Can heroic non-Greek metics become citizens in Eretria? Can someone with a non-Greek metic mother and a citizen father be a citizen? Or is citizenship in case of citizen-metic offspring only applicable if the metic mother is an ethnic Greek?
Favoring one over the other is the current state of things. And my understand is that being on the same side versus Syracuse is the ONLY reason they are able to trust eachother at all, since it's apparently common knowledge here that the league wants to crush them to take control over the strait. The rift at the conference we shut by taking that option off the table is much bigger than the one we open.Both we and the Sikeliotes are broadly friendly to Rhegion right now. Us opening up an unnecessary rift there by seeming to favour one over the other is the unwise bit going into the Conference. Get past that Conference, and we're all on the same side versus Syracuse, a minor kerfuffle over who's our Bestest Best Friend can be smoothed over more easily.
The optics of us being magnanimous and gifting Thurii and entire city, making them look churlish if they complain about us allying with Krotone, are also rather different to us having to bring up that grant of a city in future to defray the alliance, making it far more transactional and debt based than we really want our relationships to be.
Allying with Krotone now also should aid adding Rhegion later, as the Lokrians are the primary land threat towards them, one countered by Krotone on the far side.
Before you said Rhegion has 2,500 Hoplites, but here you compare that number to the fully levy of Eretria Eskhata. Do they not have any significant forces of metic skirmishers or aristoi cavalry? I'm just wondering because, at least for us, the difference between levy and hoplite numbers is pretty sizeable.Syrakousai has 10,000 men and 35 ships. Gela has 6,000 men and 15 ships and Akragas has 7,000 men and 25 ships.
The Sikeliote League has 8,000 men and 15 ships. Rhegion has 2,500 men and 25 ships. Eretria Eskhata has 8,142 men and 22 ships. Thurii has 4,000 men and I think I said 30 ships? Something like that. Himera has 2,500 men and 10 ships. Though of these states, only Akragas, Eretria, and Rhegion are truly proficient in naval combat.
Before you said Rhegion has 2,500 Hoplites, but here you compare that number to the fully levy of Eretria Eskhata. Do they not have any significant forces of metic skirmishers or aristoi cavalry? I'm just wondering because, at least for us, the difference between levy and hoplite numbers is pretty sizeable.
Once again, aren't we currently doing that, just favoring the league over Rhegion in the planned coalition? I feel like i' missing something here, (and might well be I'm not nearly as thorough a reader as I should be)Clearly favouring Rhegion over the Sikeliotes and causing a rift amongst our own allies, going into a conference about how to approach a strong enemy, would be the kind of extremely risky gambit which might make sense if it played into an actual strategy.
Once again, aren't we currently doing that, just favoring the league over Rhegion in the planned coalition? I feel like i' missing something here, (and might well be I'm not nearly as thorough a reader as I should be)
edit- as evinced by the 2 typoes in that sentence.
That's just restating your last post without any new points. How is that small rift that would be created by allying rhegion bigger than the rift that already exists in the League-Rhegion alliance from the vague spectre of what happens if the league ever gains hegemony itself? How is befriending Rhegion showing favoritism to them over the league, and not showing equal favor to both?Yeah, which is creating a rift in our own alliance. Not an utterly destructive rift, but even small fractures can grow when you apply a bit of pressure, you know? That's a risky thing to do when approaching an eight hundred pound gorilla who will require a lot of teamwork to take down, or at least scare off.
That's just restating your last post without any new points. How is that small rift that would be created by allying rhegion bigger than the rift that already exists in the League-Rhegion alliance from the vague spectre of what happens if the league ever gains hegemony itself? How is befriending Rhegion showing favoritism to them over the league, and not showing equal favor to both?
Looking longer term, allying with Krotone now, we have the immediate potential to mitigate the irritation it might cause Thurii via handing them a free city as a gift.
This is highly inconsistent. You speak about not "disrespecting" the Thurii (giving people cities gratis being an odd form of disrespect), whilst also wanting to disrespect our established allies the Sikeliote League by taking a stance on their dispute with Rhegion.The free city we're giving away is Lykai (to Taras). Thurii being happy assumes that our xenoparakletor succeeds in negotiations with Taras. He may fail. I believe too many citizens are counting their thunderbirds before they're hatched.
And again, I dislike the disrespect paid to Thurii when we give with one hand and bar her way with the other. Thurii is no former ally turned enemy like Taras, nor a junior member of our league like Garnae. They are a free city and a peer to us. If we do not respect our friends, why will they stay our friends?
Further, by allying with Rhegion, we may be sure to be able to come to the aid of Kymai if the shepherds continue their march to the coast. And Rhegion has the strong fleet that would allow her to send many men to fight at our sides if we needed to aid Kymai. Now, though Kymai has grown into a fine strong city, we are still her mother city and it is our maternal duty to make some preparations for how we might aid her in days when such worrying news arrives in our ports about her position.
Also, as has been said, Rhegion is the superior ally in times of peace.
So says Kleon son of Aristophanes.
I'd rather have the men and ships of both cities, personally.I rather have the ships more than the men. Yes, our Hoplites are of suspect quality at the moment, but that does not mean we should ignore them in place of allied Hoplites.
Finding a good navy ally is much more rare.
This is highly inconsistent. You speak about not "disrespecting" the Thurii (giving people cities gratis being an odd form of disrespect), whilst also wanting to disrespect our established allies the Sikeliote League by taking a stance on their dispute with Rhegion.
[X] [Cattle] Grant Artahias authority over the annual cattle drive [+1% tariff efficiency].
[X] [Mission] War Against the Dauni: For decades the Dauni have sat on the border of the Epulian League and menaced our allies with raids and skirmishes. Their kings have plotted against us, warred with us, and allied against us many times. Now, the time has come to pay back the debt they have bestowed upon us by destroying them once and for all. The xenoparakletor will rally the cities of Herdonia, Salapia, and whatever other cities would be willing, and back them in a rebellion that seeks to overthrow King Ausculos and end the Dauni as a threat. Whether that will be through annexing the rest of the cities or simply replacing their leadership with something more amenable to Eretria remains to be seen, but the Dauni must be made to never again threaten the city of Eretria Eskhata [War against the Dauni with attendant strategos options].