[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial

So... uh... How is our other daughter doing, Gilda? She's about the same age but conspicuously absent

Also regarding my choice for gardening, let the kid be a kid. I have a feeling with that this is where her natural inclinations lie, where's the harm? There will be PLENTY of opportunities for her to train up skills again later.
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
Glinda will be when she is 10 same as her sister and brother got the action. She is currently being trained with the Gold feather option we took or have people forgotten that.

As for our dragon daughter why should she be any different from her brother? We started him out on the first chance we got. We didn't wait we took the option the first time it showed up. With our daughter we left it waiting. She is not growing and maturing at a slower rate than the other children she is growing at the same rate. That means the effects of traits and stat increase are the same and the easiest way to work them is from a young age. It is much harder to improve once someone is an adult which she will get to at the same rate of everyone else. She may grow larger or not dragons are not uniform in size.
 
[X] Hunting: She shall be taught how to hunt, something her draconic ancestry lends itself well to. This will be somewhat difficult seeing as how most of her potential prey is being killed off by the great hunt, but not all wildlife is being purged, and what creatures your soldiers inevitably miss can be hunted down by your draconic daughter.
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
Can I just emphasize how inefficient the logistics upgrade is right now? We spent an action and 800 gold to get +135 gold/turn. I guess it is the only +income option in the martial options, but it's still not useful at all in the medium and short terms, taking 6 turns just to pay for itself and giving marginal to no benefits in the meantime.

[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial

While officially a regent, I expect our dragon daughter will be more of an advisor (well, that or a warrior/general). As such I think gardening will be good for her, teach her restraint and long-term planning and how things require regular maintenence. It'll temper the martial we taught her, and make sure she's happy.
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
Note that I'm not singling any one person out for this, simply musing, but over time it has become readily apparent to me that there is a certain level of... disconnect, between the voters. And as someone pretty firmly on one side already, I'd like to go ahead and put all my cards on the table. Being an expansionist empire is not, in of itself, a bad thing. Nations grow, nations need resources, a nation exists to protect and provide for it's citizens, I don't think anyone is going to argue those points. What people are worried about, is Imperialism, which is a specific kind of expansion that seeks to dominate and control, to exploit far-flung territories for the good of the Motherland. That is not what we are trying to do, at all.

Think of it this way, our empire started off fractured into several separate parts. One ruled by merchant princes, one ruled by an heavy-handed warmonger, and one poor nation trapped in the middle of it all. We worked for the benefit of our people, and our people wanted reunification, so we slotted that as a long-term goal, but not one we'd pursue aggressively. So we tried to do things the long way, the nice way, and in exchange aforementioned border nation got pummeled, again. We rose up to defend them, which we did successfully, and slew the bastard behind it all, then we reunited Griffonia. Was this wrong? Should we merely have left these nations to their devices, one of them leaderless and practically penniless, the other brutalized to the point where it'd take decades if not more to recover on their own, if they ever did? The people wanted to be reunited, and people needed our help, so we rebuilt the empire, even after the capitalist oligarchy tried to finagle a better deal.

That choice, more than perhaps any other, is what made our nation what it is today. It's what made us an economic powerhouse, and gave us the strength to resist, and even defeat Sombra. The world in which we remained separate was a far poorer one than the world where we all came together. This is the onus behind our expansionism, united we stand, divided we fall. People we absorb into our empire aren't being used and abused for the concept of a distant, glorious 'Motherland', they become our citizens, and are treated as such. We aren't telling them to "Obey us, or else!", we're asking them to come and stand with us, together. That we benefit from this arrangement is not the end goal, but a happy coincidence.

I've probably said this before, but what good is it to the Crystal Empire if they remain independent? They have a battered and brutalized population which is only barely capable of inhabiting a mere fraction of their former territory, and are absolutely incapable of expanding. Their leadership has been utterly and thoroughly decapitated, and their resources are practically nonexistent. Right to self-determination? They have that. We didn't even take dual-custody of the Crystal Heart despite the Crystal Ponies being explicitly okay with that. What, are people going to argue that because the Crystal Ponies are culturally and racially distinct from us that somehow makes them being a part of our empire 'subversive' or 'wrong', really? Race is categorically unimportant, and culture is, and has always been, fluid. Cultures rarely survive meeting other cultures unaltered, that's just how society works, the only time I would really consider this to be a bad thing is when something of genuine value is lost (which unfortunately happens sometimes, often by accident), or when a nation outright tries to suppress a group's culture in an attempt to homogenize or 'civilize' them. We don't do this, we don't want to do this.

And it's not like people from different cultures can't understand and empathize with each other. There might be some culture clash issues if we didn't let them work out things among themselves, but, again, we do. And if I'm being honest, I'd feel bad for an independent Crystal Empire, because they'd have to contend with Griffonia on their borders swallowing up anything that looks even remotely useful. And the worst part is, we wouldn't even be doing it to hurt them, we'd just be doing that to provide for our people as best we can, like we're supposed to. I want the Crystal Empire to join us because I think we can accomplish more and greater things together than we can apart, because I can see a brighter future for both of us, and I want us to seek out that future together. That said, they have to want it as well, otherwise it doesn't work. You can't force people to be apart of something greater than themselves, lest you one day be forced to watch as everything you've built comes crumbling down around your ears. I don't want to change the Crystal Ponies, force them into some kind of predetermined mold so that they can be good little drones. I want them, all of them, and all that they are, to become apart of us. So that we can mutually reinforce and enrich one another.

So... yeah, that's my two cents on the subject. I've just seen a lot of posters on the thread getting wrapped up in fears of jingoism, imperialism, and even colonialism, and figured I'd tell people my side of the story.
 
So... yeah, that's my two cents on the subject. I've just seen a lot of posters on the thread getting wrapped up in fears of jingoism, imperialism, and even colonialism, and figured I'd tell people my side of the story.

Yeah, I must admit I don't quite get that easier, seeing as annexing them would be both a pragmatic and reasonable choice, AND WAS OUR ONLY REASONABLE OPTION FOR EXPANSION for the entirety ignore this quest so far. Now, unless we somehow fully manage to annex them eventually we are nearly completely surrounded completely by other kingdoms. Allied ones yes, and we certainly shouldn't have attacked the yaks, but surrounded none the less.

[X] Board Games: She shall follow her elder brother's example, and will learn patience, strategy, and how to read people by playing numerous board and card games with you and members of the Imperial court.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
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[X] Board Games: She shall follow her elder brother's example, and will learn patience, strategy, and how to read people by playing numerous board and card games with you and members of the Imperial court.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
We are probably going to have to bring Feathersians taxes up to in line with the rest of the empire eventually. Otherwise it is just going to become richer and richer as everyone uses it as a tax Haven until the rest of the empire is a slum by comparison. Not this lifetime, but our son is going to have to do it.
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial

Crystal Ponies practically worship you.

I told you this would happen, at this rate Garrick is heading towards God-Emperor Status.
 
[X] Board Games: She shall follow her elder brother's example, and will learn patience, strategy, and how to read people by playing numerous board and card games with you and members of the Imperial court.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial

But gardening might just change my mind if only as a nice contrast to a martial education.
 
[X] Board Games: She shall follow her elder brother's example, and will learn patience, strategy, and how to read people by playing numerous board and card games with you and members of the Imperial court.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

I'm picking this because apparently she enjoys gardening and if I remember my ck2 correctly, this option gives stewardship. Min-maxing is fine and all, but we must remember that dragons here are also cursed by Discord with their whole greed/emotion state pollution leading to Kaiju War, so getting her a hobby that should calm her is important.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial

A good future potential steward for our protectorate, and it fits her name/cutie mark so I feel it's part of her special talent besides.
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Board Games: She shall follow her elder brother's example, and will learn patience, strategy, and how to read people by playing numerous board and card games with you and members of the Imperial court.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
Can I just emphasize how inefficient the logistics upgrade is right now? We spent an action and 800 gold to get +135 gold/turn. I guess it is the only +income option in the martial options, but it's still not useful at all in the medium and short terms, taking 6 turns just to pay for itself and giving marginal to no benefits in the meantime.

You really have no idea what you are talking about. It is not "gold" it is a unit used to represent total wealth. The reason we took it is so we can expand the army again without needing to overburden our income. The amount of wealth we save is a side benefit the main reason is that it fixes the excessive in the army and makes it better supplied and and supported. In order to run a proper military you have to have a robust supply system in place.
 
[X] Board Games: She shall follow her elder brother's example, and will learn patience, strategy, and how to read people by playing numerous board and card games with you and members of the Imperial court.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.
[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
[X] Gardening: Gwyndlyn has always loved the outdoors, and has spent a great deal of time walking amidst the trees and flowers of the Palace Gardens. You're sure she'd love a chance to care for the plants and learn all there is to know about them.

[X] Gleaming Golden Pearl: Your daughter shall learn the intricate and complicated laws of the market, tutored by bankers, burghers, merchants, and other industrious fortune-builders in the art of accumulating wealth. +Diplomacy, +Stewardship, -Martial
 
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