Magna Graecia: Titanomachia (A City State Quest)
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- ancient greece alternate history empire builder civ quest democracy gods save us granary management hubris it's an eretrian thing. let lose the weasels of war lithocracy lithocracy is my fetish maximum hellene my big fat greek divine wedding this granary aint gonna fill itself cetash unwinnable
The Sandman
So Zetta Slowpoke
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[X] Proboulos: Kyros Gennadios (Demos Antipatria)
We need to improve the temples after that disastrous augury. Also, water infrastructure will be better to construct after we have some idea of how many more immigrants to expect.
[X] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
Two reasons for this one. First, ensuring we know what our neighbors are doing is essential in that it gives us more confidence that we can act abroad without a crisis blindsiding us nearer to home. Second, he's the only one of our three candidates for Chief Diplomat who's actually got people skills.
We absolutely need to get the water system up right after the temples though; frankly I'm kind of shocked that wasn't done during the timeskip.
We need to improve the temples after that disastrous augury. Also, water infrastructure will be better to construct after we have some idea of how many more immigrants to expect.
[X] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
Two reasons for this one. First, ensuring we know what our neighbors are doing is essential in that it gives us more confidence that we can act abroad without a crisis blindsiding us nearer to home. Second, he's the only one of our three candidates for Chief Diplomat who's actually got people skills.
We absolutely need to get the water system up right after the temples though; frankly I'm kind of shocked that wasn't done during the timeskip.
Night_stalker
Slava Ukraini!
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[x] Proboulos: Kyros Gennadios (Demos Antipatria)
[x] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
[x] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
The city has cisterns that it can use to withstand a siege for a few years, and that combined with the fact that the city itself, rather than the surrounding countryside, has only become prominent far more recently. A polis is its people, and only the biggest poleis actually have big cities as their center, rather than towns surrounded by countryside or just a fortified public complex on a high hill.
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- Mists of Albion
And having an alliance with Messapii gives us an excuse to get involved when they inevitably are attacked by Taras, instead of trying to find some reason to get involved after the fact, the Metapotion peoples also won't have our backs reliably, while they may honour their treaties, they may not. I'd rather have a reliable ally, one who directly stops Taras' expansion then an ally who may not actually help us and makes us have to find an excuse to intervene in the war to stop Taras' expansion before we can actually do so.
Further we can't beat the Tarentine Cavalry alone, and our tactics rely heavily on our Cavalry advantage, so the Messapii and their Cavalry would greatly help us, likely more than the uncertain aid of the poor Metapontion infantry, who will be torn apart once our flanks fall.
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- USA
So will we be able to make our own building choices during turns like previous games or is all of that going to be tied into platforms?
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- United Kingdom
I'd understand completely if you couldn't be bothered, but if you're going to use this site would it be possible for the map to also be put somewhere where we can save/download it? I like actually having the image saved on my PC.
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- Luton Airport
[X] Proboulos: Kyros Gennadios (Demos Antipatria)
[X] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
[X] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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The original link should be downloadable now.
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- United Kingdom
Awesome, thanks very much.
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- United Kingdom
It's worth remembering that we already have an alliance with Thurii who are just a little further down the coast from Metapontion so we already have an ally to the west of Taras, although less optimally placed. Taras and Metapontion also are (or at least were) rather hostile towards each other due to Taras trying to stop Metapontion from becoming a democracy, amongst other slights. So even without securing an alliance with them, we can still put pressure on Taras, and unless the situation has changed Metapontion are a threat they already can't ignore regardless of whether we have an alliance with them.
An alliance with Metapontion is definitely something we want to do, I would just suggest that securing our own backyard with Demos Exoria is a little more urgent whereas the alliance can wait until the next election.
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- Buskerud, Norway
[X] Proboulos: Kyros Gennadios (Demos Antipatria)
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
I Leon the Hoplite vote for these candidates as we have neglected the gods as of late we must regain their favour as to ensure our greatness furthermore a new temple to our Divine Marriage would bring in travelers and merchants from far away. Furthermore it is in our best interests to keep the waves free from the barbaric illyrian pirates that ravage on our ships.
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
I Leon the Hoplite vote for these candidates as we have neglected the gods as of late we must regain their favour as to ensure our greatness furthermore a new temple to our Divine Marriage would bring in travelers and merchants from far away. Furthermore it is in our best interests to keep the waves free from the barbaric illyrian pirates that ravage on our ships.
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- Southern Virginia
She has Orion, the mighty primordial hunter slain through the jealousy of Apollo as an unfitting match for his sister. Since Artemis has clearly been taken up as a favorite goddess of the Iapyges, then her tragic love for Orion creates an inroads of sorts as the myth of their doomed romance can be set in Italia and Orion can be a liminal figure both Hellenic and barbaroi the Iapyges could also take up. She remains sworn to her virginity in her grief and certainty that no other man could equal the wild, untamed, glorious monster-hunter and slayer tied so intimately to her domain of the night skies.
And yes other versions have Apollo killing Orion because he was trying to rape his sister, but as we've established Eretria thinks rape is beneath the gods and undignified.
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- Central Europe
@Cetashwayo Besides Taras, how would the other Greek Cities, both in Italy and back in Hellas, react to us openly allying with barbaroi against fellow Greeks? In the past we "only" subsidised. Or are the Messapii sufficiently hellenized?
NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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[x] Proboulos: Kyros Gennadios (Demos Antipatria)
[x] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
Temples seem important especially after that Augury the people will be pretty angry if we don't fix that problem.
I was leaning towards the drakonis but he seems like he might offend the enetoi by saying something when he probably shouldn't and they've been good friends so far.
So better relations with our immediate neighbours seems good to me.
[x] Xenoparakletor: Mnemnon Keylonos (Demos Exoria)
Temples seem important especially after that Augury the people will be pretty angry if we don't fix that problem.
I was leaning towards the drakonis but he seems like he might offend the enetoi by saying something when he probably shouldn't and they've been good friends so far.
So better relations with our immediate neighbours seems good to me.
Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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I also tend to be suspicious of some of the "Gods are super rape-happy assholes" versions simply because they often leave Athene unscathed, making me think there's an Athenian influence there where all the Gods except Athene are totally jerks. Others, like the Arkadian version of the Demeter/Poseidon myth, are authentic.
They wouldn't care as much, though it might raise some eyebrows. The reason why allying with Carthage was seen negatively is because Carthage intentionally blocked the Greeks from expanding and colonizing in the southwest Mediterranean as a bloc, and has always worked to prevent Greek ambitions from being realized when it comes up against her own interests and security. The Messapii are also fairly hellenized anyway, they're no Lucani or Samnites.
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NavySeel
"I don't know what I'm doing."
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I imagine most cities probably had versions of myths where their favoured Gods looked good and the God's they didn't like so much looked bad.
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- Southampton, Great Britain
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@Cetashwayo How does Eretria Eskhata compare to other Greek states and foreign powers in general? Are we weak? Strong? Middle of the pack?
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- Hell
Except you are wrong
It is the creation of a government office and as such, under the purview of the Proboulos.
The Xenoparakletor would be to do a current one time review. The Barbarian Office would be to regulate trade between Eretria and the surrounding Barbaroi.
As for the infrastructure surrounding the Hill and Temple, I am sure you are correct(I can still ping @Cetashwayo for confirmation, though) . But beloved Eretria is still growing and with renewed vigor as we are immediately putting up new Great Works. Just as in the past we put foresight into the construction of our Wide Walls, we must do so with our sewer system so that whenever new buildings go up, they are ensured fresh water and miasma can be reduced making our citizens happier.
While not to the ridiculous length of Ymaryn, we should ensure the city is in proper order so that everything can come together in a neat fashion.
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- Mists of Albion
We're one of the absolute top dogs in Italia, capable of matching Taras with our vassals and League behind us, with perhaps only Syrakuse totally ahead of us one vs one, but when we take Mainland Greece into account, Eretria is upper middling, but with only Athens and Sparta capable of utterly overwhelming Eretria on its home turf of Epulia.
Edit: Basically what Cetashwayo says.
My mistake, I thought you were referring to an existing office. Apologies.
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Cetashwayo
Lord of Ten Thousand Years
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- Across the Horizon
Most Greek poleis are tiny little states of only a few hundred people. Of those, Eretria is a towering hegemon in its region, but among the big boys of the central Mediterranean it is in a second tier, below Athens and Sparta (through the Peloponnesian League). Then, in a completely different category, there's the Persians, the Thracians, and the Carthaginians, who can bring to bear resources none of the Greek states can hope for, but who have various disadvantages (the Persians are a decentralized empire struggling with its governance, the Thracians are a tribal confederacy reliant on the personality and ability of their king, and the Carthaginians have few allies and a lot of enemies surrounding them in a lot of places, with a far-flung empire).
Sorry, what is the question here specifically?
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- USA
@Cetashwayo in non election years will we have decisions and the options to build buildings as we did in the previous two quests?
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
[X] Proboulos: Isokrates Hypatos (Demos Drakonia)
Take care of the pirates now to keep our trade income intact for the years to come is a big draw for me. Also the chance to access a new trade good for more income into the city is nice. On top of that keeping an eye on our rival sounds like a good idea.
[X] Xenoparakletor: Athenagoras Symmachos (Demos Drakonia)
[X] Proboulos: Isokrates Hypatos (Demos Drakonia)
Take care of the pirates now to keep our trade income intact for the years to come is a big draw for me. Also the chance to access a new trade good for more income into the city is nice. On top of that keeping an eye on our rival sounds like a good idea.
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