Amusingly, using undead minions suddenly becomes one of the best ways to fight a Cleric if she's an Initiate of Mystra.
 
[X] Goldfish

Any good Faith quotes that we will be using in the future? Just get this good feeling when thinking about it.
 
How about we counterattack with a True Casted AMF? It surely must have a CL too high for it to be beaten.

True cast goes +10 to beat SR to next spell, you want stuff that boosts our CL to increase the DC, I think, like Mythic Power stuff. And possibly one or two "boost caster level spells"

Huh. @Goldfish on a scale of "petty larcarny" to "grand theft tavern mage tower" how criminal is our lack of "create magic tattoo" spell use?
 
Amusingly, using undead minions suddenly becomes one of the best ways to fight a Cleric if she's an Initiate of Mystra.
Nah, send golems. They don't care about the AMF, they essentially are already under one.

Thing is, AMF usually cuts both ways, and is highly advantageous to creatures with innate abilities like flight, humongous melee capability, etc. Because you count

But a Bullshitter of Mystra gets to use AMF defensively, too. If he wants, he can sit there, immune to most of everything that could take him out in one go, able to react to anything that remains, and perfectly capable of smiting you from range, because Cleric. It's like getting a selective Magic Immunity.
 
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Take the ability to cast within an AMF and stick it to a Clericzilla chassis. Now give it some of the most versatile arcane spells in the game on their spell list. Not as domain spells.

Now take into account that this means all their buffs will function in an AMF.

Watch as they laugh in the face of anything but Disjunction.
Only buffs that were specifically cast within the AMF. Still absolutely ridiculous, though.
 
...So, how would we go about killing Lucan after the COnclave (presumably) passes by?
I mean, we can probably take on him, I have enough trust in Goldfish and TNE...

I have no idea how we are supposed to actually catch him in a situation where we can safe-ish-ly attack, though :/
 
I was thinking of slam attacks, actually. Relying on undead abilities like "negative levels" becomes increasingly unwise as you level, IMO. No, the optimal undead are well-chosen templated skeletons/ghouls/bruisers !
I like to start from a Dragon chassis. Lots of natural weapons, good platform.

EDIT: Holy shit, how did I never think of golems? Very clever TNE, thanks! Keeping that one :D
 
True cast goes +10 to beat SR to next spell, you want stuff that boosts our CL to increase the DC, I think, like Mythic Power stuff. And possibly one or two "boost caster level spells"

Huh. @Goldfish on a scale of "petty larcarny" to "grand theft tavern mage tower" how criminal is our lack of "create magic tattoo" spell use?
Not too egregious, but its something I've thought about occasionally. At the very least, we should have Viserys using the +1 caster level boost in himself each day.
 
Nah, send golems.

Thing is, AMF usually cuts both ways, and is highly advantageous to creatures with innate abilities like flight, humongous melee capability, etc.

But a Bullshitter of Mystra gets to use AMF defensively, too. If he wants, he can sit there, immune to most of everything that could take him out in one go, able to react to anything that remains, and perfectly capable of smiting you from range, because Cleric. It's like becoming a golem.
I keep forgetting that golems don't just shut down under AMF. I love those things.
 
...So, how would we go about killing Lucan after the COnclave (presumably) passes by?
I mean, we can probably take on him, I have enough trust in Goldfish and TNE...

I have no idea how we are supposed to actually catch him in a situation where we can safe-ish-ly attack, though :/
From ambush would be best, but there are plenty of possible methods, depending on his retinue.
 
So you do read it as the AMF still suppressing buffs cast before the AMF is put up. I was wondering. @TotallyNotEvil @Artemis1992 what do you think?
Goldfish's reading makes sense, as the feat allows you to attempt to cast spells inside AMFs.

I wouldn't be surprised if he spared an AMF to put his persistomancy on, or if he were allowed the rolls when the AMF came up, to see if his spells hold.
 
The most satisfying way to kill an "invincible" enemy is still suffocation.
Burying them alive with Greater Stone shape is rarely practical, but the absolute coolest method is still possible here ! Filling a room with this would honestly just be the best way to kill some magic-user. What are the odds they prepared Water Breathing when they went into an inland dungeon ?
The chances of them having any teleportation ability are much higher, tho.

For Lucan, I'd just make sure there are a bunch of flying golems around.
 
The chances of them having any teleportation ability are much higher, tho.

For Lucan, I'd just make sure there are a bunch of flying golems around.
That he can cast underwater ? No verbal components, no command words... Not impossible, but not always available.
Still, good point. So die my dreams of Mythic Vee using Flash Flood a lot :'(
 
We can always show up to murderize him with Amrelath, Relath, all the Golems and Ser Richard. No one should be able to beat all these ones in melee even if we don't use magic.

Richard should still be able to stop him from casting, right?
 
We can always show up to murderize him with Amrelath, Relath, all the Golems and Ser Richard. No one should be able to beat all these ones in melee even if we don't use magic.

Richard should still be able to stop him from casting, right?
he's got angels tho

At the very least, we should expect a Deva and a Planetar to fight.

And honestly, i'd prefer Lucan dead, over them subverted.
:/
 
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