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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)

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FakePriest said:
And how LQ can deal with Zeqing's problem when she just barely know what family means? She can't just beat Zeqing.

Meh, offscreen rolls doesn't count.:whistle:

Like i said quote plz, or it doesn't count.

I am not saying that our QM is merciful, he isn't suicidal though.:evil:
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naths said:
well, format is wonky, but here is the quote from discord Yrsillar25.10.2018

was totally gonna kill xiulan if she failed her tribulation roll
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Yeah, yrs is totally willing to kill characters offscreen if the situation warrants it. He's a bit of a softy, so it's only come up once with the Xiulan tribulation, but arguing that he won't do it is absolutely wrong.
 
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[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.

Quigge asked for authority to manage the household, and we gave it to her. She also now has her old friends with her. She'll be fine, let's not be a helicopter daughter.
 
[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.
 
FakePriest said:
And how LQ can deal with Zeqing's problem when she just barely know what family means? She can't just beat Zeqing.

Meh, offscreen rolls doesn't count.:whistle:

Like i said quote plz, or it doesn't count.

I am not saying that our QM is merciful, he isn't suicidal though.:evil:
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But... Zeqinq said we are ready for the trial so the trail is not a fight.

"You are as prepared as you can be. It is only your choice that remains," Zeqing replied simply. "But… not this day. I tire, and you should spend time with your kin."
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I doubt that spending time with family is needed to pass her trial or she would have said you should spend time with family to prepare for the trial. Our QM is giving us a choice right now. We can gamble on Hanyi's safety or we can try and correct the situation right now even if we may not be as prepared as we could be.

The trial will not be a straight fight between us and Zeqing. No one can expect us to beat a Cyan level spirit. The trial will be something else.

Right now I feel you are being very meta in your reasoning though. QM won't do it because she is a popular character. We have seen our QM be willing to kill off popular and important characters without any chance of an intervention from us with LanLan. I highly doubt he would back off from killing a character when he has given us a chance to intervene.

Do we know that Hanyi will die this turn if we don't act? No we don't. However the chance is still there and I am very paranoid about these things. I would much more like to sit down with our family and think about these things when our little brother is awake to participate as well. It seems a little silly to think about the meaning of family when one of your key family members is asleep.
 
eternal-potato said:
Quigge asked for authority to manage the household, and we gave it to her. She also now has her old friends with her. She'll be fine, let's not be a helicopter daughter.
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I pity your parents if you think visiting before we embark on a life-threatening trial is being a 'helicopter daughter'.

FakePriest said:
Ha, interesting, it's when she was struck by lightning isn't it? But you know what it's telling me? If we woldn't do well in our own tribulation - someone may die, that's why we need all the insights that we can get.
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Exactly. If we go up there now Ling Qi is going to have to face the fact that if something goes terribly wrong she will have left her mother and sister without any kind of farewell. Not to mention her son little brother waking up to find his mother big sister dead. That's not something we want distracting us when we need to be at 100%. Particularly when we want to convince a clingy spirit that we will take care of her daughter.
 
FakePriest said:
Ha, interesting, it's when she was struck by lightning isn't it? But you know what it's telling me? If we woldn't do well in our own tribulation - someone may die, that's why we need all the insights that we can get.
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We have one vote that's about "we can do the tribulation and pushing it back is dangerous", the other is "we can see our family and gets insight for it". The insights won't help the tribulation, Zeqing told us we were ready for it. We might fail, but that's how tribulations go.

OTOH, pushing back the tribulation has a real chance to trigger 'fun roles'. We have been warned here, and there is no excuse for complaint if it happens.
 
eternal-potato said:
Quigge asked for authority to manage the household, and we gave it to her. She also now has her old friends with her. She'll be fine, let's not be a helicopter daughter.
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That's not what this vote is about, though - it's explicitly about spending time with Qingge and Biyu, literally 'spend some time with your mother and sister'.

The social option at the beginning of the month was about being there for the settling in of the new members of her household staff.
 
[X] You have not spent enough time with your family. The new help should be settled in, so spend some time with your mother and sister. In the wake of your growing insights, you need to think about what family truly means.
 
Arkeus said:
We have one vote that's about "we can do the tribulation and pushing it back is dangerous", the other is "we can see our family and gets insight for it". The insights won't help the tribulation, Zeqing told us we were ready for it. We might fail, but that's how tribulations go.

OTOH, pushing back the tribulation has a real chance to trigger 'fun roles'. We have been warned here, and there is no excuse for complaint if it happens.
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Yes, maybe we ready for tribulation.
But do we really ready to confront Zeqing about Hanyi? It's a different question entirely.
It would be pointless to pass tribulation but fail to save our 'little' sister.
 
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As far as I'm concerned, we already got our warnings from our QM:

-we know that Zeqing is conceptually, is a spirit that must devour her loved one who could or want to leave her side.
-Hanyi is growing visibly stronger fast. She said to us that she like being with her mother but she find growing stronger more attractive. This means that soon, she will be ready to leave Zeqing side.
-Ling Qi too has been growing stronger under Zeqing teachings. FVM and FSS have been mastered, and soon we will complete our journey with Zeqing with her trial. Let's not kid ourselves, we will leave her tutelage after this.
-Zeqing and Ling Qi have talked about the fact that Hanyi is growing and that Zeqing's very nature conflict with that growth.
-lately, every interaction with Zeqing has shown her being more and more cold and uncomfortable in Ling Qi and Hanye presence. She doesn't show much emotions, behave spirit like ( and not the fun kind of spirit like Sixiang) and her voice always have a hidden edge, a tension.

There is a quasi certainty that Zeqing will eat her daughter if we don't act. I understand wanting to spend more time with our family, to incorporate their existence experience in our domain, to interact with them, but hurt feelings can be healed and apologies can be understood. A dead Hanyi can't be brought back.
 
[X] You have not spent enough time with your family. The new help should be settled in, so spend some time with your mother and sister. In the wake of your growing insights, you need to think about what family truly means.
 
[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.
 
[X] You have not spent enough time with your family. The new help should be settled in, so spend some time with your mother and sister. In the wake of your growing insights, you need to think about what family truly means.
 
FakePriest said:
Yes, maybe we ready for tribulation.
But do we really ready to confront Zeqing about Hanyi? It's a different question entirely.
It would be pointless to pass tribulation but fail to save our 'little' sister.
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As far as we are aware, we can't help Hanyi without passing our tribulation, and the Zeqing/Hanyi situation is turning sour fast. The danger isn't to pass the tribulation and fail to help Hanyi, the danger is to do nothing and have Hanyi sacrificed by inactivity.
 
LotusPocus said:
-Ling Qi too has been growing stronger under Zeqing teachings. FVM and FSS have been mastered, and soon we will complete our journey with Zeqing with her trial. Let's not kid ourselves, we will leave her tutelage after this.
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Actually no, we probably won't be through with her tutelage:

yrsillar said:
"Yes," Zeqing replied after a moment, and with the appropriate time lapsed, Ling Qi raised her head to meet the spirits eyes. "Your lessons are in fact wholly complete, for the moment."

Ling Qi almost frowned, but restrained herself. "What do you mean?"

Zeqing met her gaze steadily and her face was without expression. "I have taught you all that I can as you are, to go further… there would be tribulation. You asked that I warn you, did you not?"
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We succeed in this Tribulation, and we're almost certain to obtain FSS+, at the very least.

The problems betwixt Hanyi and Zeqing will almost certainly intertwine with the Tribulation... so long as the Tribulation is soon. Otherwise it'll be as hoarfrost in the morning sunlight.
 
I mean, I do think there's a cost at not spending time with your family aside from face value text of Ling Qi not bonding with her family, which is for one, she has yet to welcome the household servants (might have happened offscreen) which would cost us to lose a bit of face, two: the less you spend with the family, the more detached they may get (talking about Biyu). Third: that insight might actually determine what is important to Ling Qi.

On the other hand, I have to admit that I'd be pretty miffed if this missed SL would cost us Hanyi. This has several implication of it being time-sensitive. True, Zeqing might hold on for a bit longer (and Xin might actually intervene), but the thing is, that upcoming trial I think is truly integral to fulfilling the purpose of getting Hanyi and having Zeqing recover WAY MORE than imparting on her the insights of family from Qingge. Heck, by having someone else intervene as well, the relationship between Ling Qi and Zeqing wouldn't be as meaningful. I know I'm pulling words and stuff out of my ass, but since this seems like a limited event, may as well choose it.

Plus, Hanyi getting eaten = Zhengui would have one less playmate to have and he'd be SAD :cry: if she gets eaten while he was gone. Do you want our son to be sad first thing he wakes up. :mad:
 
[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.
 
Arkeus said:
As far as we are aware, we can't help Hanyi without passing our tribulation, and the Zeqing/Hanyi situation is turning sour fast. The danger isn't to pass the tribulation and fail to help Hanyi, the danger is to do nothing and have Hanyi sacrificed by inactivity.
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And what it gives us if pass tribulation but fail to save Hanyi? Moral satisfaction? "Well i failed to save her but at least i tried, it count for something... Right?"
Don't fool yourself, both options has are dangerous, i just want see the one with better set up.
 
FakePriest said:
And what it gives us if pass tribulation but fail to save Hanyi? Moral satisfaction? "Well i failed to save her but at least i tried, it count for something... Right?"
Don't fool yourself, both options has are dangerous, i just want see the one with better set up.
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Stop that, either prove that we can pass the tribulation and still fail to save Hanyi or stop using it as a rhetorical bludgeon
 
FakePriest said:
And what it gives us if pass tribulation but fail to save Hanyi? Moral satisfaction? "Well i failed to save her but at least i tried, it count for something... Right?"
Don't fool yourself, both options has are dangerous, i just want see the one with better set up.
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Yes. Actually trying to save Hanyi not only has its own worth if we fail, as it means that Ling Qi at least won't believe she gave up on Zeqing when she knew she was in danger of losing herself, but it also means that there is higher odds of actually helping Hanyi.

That something is still dangerous doesn't mean it's not less dangerous.
 
[X] You have not spent enough time with your family. The new help should be settled in, so spend some time with your mother and sister. In the wake of your growing insights, you need to think about what family truly means.
 
[X] The situation between Zeqing and Hanyi is deteriorating. You have mastered her lessons and her art. The time for a tribulation is here, and perhaps it can solve the terrible situation forming before your eyes.
 
Hrrmf.
Honestly I'm torn, and here's my issue:
What, precisely is happening here?
From the looks of it, it's highlander. There can only be One, and for Hanyi to come into her own either means eating Zeqing OR redefining her spirit core so she has enough of her own niche that she doesn't need to eat her mother to have one. Because my read is that Zeqing is either feeding herself to her daughter or weakening herself so she doesn't flip out and eat Hanyi.
And if my read is right then it's not going to be as simple as just 'hey I'm here! I'm a good student/I can watch your daughter for you!' to answer this issue. Because if Hanyi is in effect, growing into Zeqing's niche then she's either going to need to stay on that mountain or come back to eat her mother anyway unless we get her re-defined.
If it's as simple as just getting distance between the two then yes I just voted to have poor Hanyi get eaten. But if I'm right then us going up there is just going to be a case of 'we abandoned our family, to save another person's family.' Which...Well basically here's the thing.
What are we missing out on to go to Zeqing?
If it's JUST family time that's simply not as urgent, not nearly as much value. That sort of decision check-point can happen but I'm thinking that's not actually what's going on.
 
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