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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Yeah uhm... haha, Viserys is basically Dany's fucking sun. I dare say that her world basically revolves around us without being utterly consumed with what we want seeing as how we tell her "just have fun" for years on end and only relenting recently, and even then she takes things up on her own initiative but you got to admit always in service to our plans.

I don't see the constant resentment coming from Aegon being taken by Dany well.
 
Not even considering our friends reaction to all that is going on. Can still see Lya being with Viserys and Richard staying loyal to Viserys. The others not sure of.
 
Duesal said:
Yeah, depending on how early this is we would be missing quite a few Companions.
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Maybe when we are being a pirate king without messing with the Golden company. We would have men loyal to Viserys and ships. Good support start when meeting up with Faegon and build up from there?

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Crake said:
Yeah uhm... haha, Viserys is basically Dany's fucking sun. I dare say that her world basically revolves around us without being utterly consumed with what we want seeing as how we tell her "just have fun" for years on end and only relenting recently, and even then she takes things up on her own initiative but you got to admit always in service to our plans.

I don't see the constant resentment coming from Aegon being taken by Dany well.
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At some point Viserys and Dany will talk about it. Viserys tries and convince Dany to get along with Aegon but Dany will point out Aegon hates him and doesn't give Viserys any credit. Viserys will grit his teeth and say it doesn't matter. Dany then yells it does matter. Viserys just says he wants the family strong and happy which makes Dany angry at Aegon thinking he'll just continue on as he is and just love Viserys more for going through much for her and the family.
 
One Autumn Leaf said:
Well say goodbye to the entirety of the North. Rina is somewhat terrifying and she could probably have ended White Harbor by herself, if not more.
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It would have been pretty fucked, but given this lot, this is mostly a timeline powered by Narrativium. I am fairly certain while it is possible we wouldn't have burnt all bridges with the Golden Company, the moment we sussed up to something fishy going on IC (most of us would have already known OOC) we would have investigated, found some of the rot, digged deeper, and probably dodge an assassination and immediately gone full paranoia.

After that it would have been seeing who could be salvaged and who had to... disappear.

It would have definitely been a darker story though. Fewer friends and thus a much less strong support network, which for Targaryens is... bad news. Viserys is a perfectionist. Given how utterly fucked things could be by that point, you are looking at someone who is staring at a vista of utter stupidity, incompetence and madness.

I am fairly certain that Viserys only seems as sane as he does because he can carefully trim and manage everything around him like a freakish bonzai garden the size of a kingdom, soon to be an entire reality.
 
DragonParadox said:
a fact which I am certain those of them who call me 'blood dragon' and 'dark sorcerer' are all too aware of.
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Oh, they absolutely can keep "blood dragon" :V
LonelyWolf999 said:
firing Lucifer analogies on all cylinders
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Priceless.
Duesal said:
getting the Perytons
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Ah, that time the Ranger got an entire level in one round from Great Cleaving half a dozen creatures of ahigher level than he was, who just happened to fall around him with three HP from our spell.

Anyway @Azel @Snowfire while dems pretty words, it seems all too easy to me for it to turn into truly extreme nihilism. If God is Almighty, and all is a facet of him, there's no distinction between good and evil beyond the petty morality of mortals. A "if everything is true, and God is everything, then everything is permitted".

I can honestly see her going cleric of the Great Other over this, actually.

Do an Owlman, "the only meaningful choice I can take is to try and eliminate all choice, otherwise it's all the same- meaningless".
 
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Crake said:
I am fairly certain that Viserys only seems as sane as he does because he can carefully trim and manage everything around him like a freakish bonzai garden the size of a kingdom, soon to be an entire reality.
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Though I think his madness would develop differently since he would be a different person by that point.
 
ryuan said:
Though I think his madness would develop differently since he would be a different person by that point.
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Viserys' stimuli and focus in terms of madness stems from trauma, his trauma from the revelation of Aerys' madness, that if he ever grows complacent that he will become like Aerys, so you're right, having never met Bloodraven, his fixture would be different.

Possibly something based around restoring the family legacy, as in canon, but maybe a little more grounded because he actually has agency in this setting.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Oh, they absolutely can keep "blood dragon" :V

Priceless.

Ah, that time the Ranger got an entire level in one round from Great Cleaving half a dozen creatures of ahigher level than he was, who just happened to fall around him with three HP from our spell.

Anyway @Azel @Snowfire while dems pretty words, it seems all too easy to me for it to turn into truly extreme nihilism. If God is Almighty, and all is a facet of him, there's no distinction between good and evil beyond the petty morality of mortals. A "if everything is true, and God is everything, then everything is permitted".

I can honestly see her going cleric of the Great Other over this, actually.

Do an Owlman, "the only meaningful choice I can take is to try and eliminate all choice, otherwise it's all the same- meaningless".

Whil
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I get the basis of this argument, but often our write-ins get interrupted by the other's response to them. If for instance the situation turns from "someone shaken in their beliefs looking for a life preserver" to "someone on the verge of omnicidal nihilism" and that is a stretch by the way, then Viserys would identify that immediately, with circumstance bonuses.

Why?

Because he is an enemy of senseless Fate. He despises the thought of all being a puppet upon strings, having no real choice, something that most of the Companions share to the point that Viserys' internal thoughts on the matter is almost everyone would universally agree to be exempt from the machinations of guided prophecy and unyielding Destiny.

That's rife ground to reevaluate the approach and basically offer the same answers everyone else has arrived at.

What matters is what matters to you. She found her campfire in an abusive asshole who doesn't know how to take "no".

We made our own campfire and started lobbing mortars at any gribblies and nasty nasties on approach.
 
Belatedly, rereading that update and man, all hail the Ice Waifu! May her Nat 20s shake the mountain down like the fist of the North Star.

In other words...

Roses are red,
Violets are blue,
Rina is a cute,
Omae wa mou shindeiru.
 
Azel said:
"I have seen many things on my travels, both wondrous and appalling. I've spoken with angels and devils. Once I stood before R'hllor himself and argued about the fate of two friends with him. Another time I spat in the face of hell itself, to gain the freedom of a woman I barely knew then. I've seen the shades of gods from times long forgotten, whispering to me with their last dying breaths, and another who, after an eternity of torment, had the will to cast off his pain and hatred to be reborn pure again.
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Okay, can't really say anything about the plan in total, but for this part keep in mind that she is a very high-level character who has traveled the world for an unknown amount of time.
Maybe more than this world.
She will have seen and done her fair share of the impossible and unbelievable to get her, so I don't believe this is going to impress her.
LonelyWolf999 said:
I've been toying with creating a negaverse quest omake for a long time, complete with a set of commentary from the 'voters.' I think the original idea was having it be from Lanna and Gerion Lannister's point of view dealing with the aftermath of the fungus, and the players are bitching about yet another fire they have to put out. There's a long-standing salt-fest over how to deal with Viserys, people are torn as to how much he resembles his canon self and how plausible his success is, a popular theory being he's in contact with Bloodraven once the players realize what the 'Pale Trees' are. In general, they're walking a tightrope juggling knives, not the least of which is keeping Tywin Lannister satisfied.

Basically, you'd have the 'update' - obviously similar if not identical to DP's writing style and format - in which the characters deal IC with the crisis, and then the players are presented with a bunch of options for voting. Then you get to the 'players' reactions, all of which would be thinly veiled expys of us, and they're all arguing and salting in our iconic style. The big issue is the pure amount of shit they have to deal with all the time - they were finally going to take a degree of proactiveness against Viserys, and then this. That links into the secondary, deeper saltfest over the Targaryens and how they should be handled, with the players alternatively complaining and offering theories after Not!DP drops some OOC info on the matter.
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You think SV would keep serving Tywin for that long?
 
@Artemis1992 I was there for most of the stuff that Azel cherry picked out of the huge fucking string of victories and brilliant vistas, and I'm impressed.

Those aren't minor points of order, those are universe wraps itself in a Gordian Knot level Epic Deeds.

Also, while Mel was practicing Magic since perhaps just before the Doom, it is implied she was young around that period... probably. And old now. She would have had just as much time to really get her feet wet out in the Planes as we did. Maybe a little more. And less opportunity to chance stuff we did which were at times, quite frankly, insanely dangerous.

Corollary to this, she didn't risk the Lich, she waited until it was killed before making her move.

It's more impressive that she doesn't balk at Viserys waltzing in wearing the hide of an Arch-Duke as a fancy dress.

Does this much bling make me look fat bee tee dubs?
 
Artemis1992 said:
Okay, can't really say anything about the plan in total, but for this part keep in mind that she is a very high-level character who has traveled the world for an unknown amount of time.
Maybe more than this world.
She will have seen and done her fair share of the impossible and unbelievable to get her, so I don't believe this is going to impress her.

You think SV would keep serving Tywin for that long?
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Yeah, I pointed this out in my own hypothetical scenario. Plausible with narrative backing which states that Viserys was lot more optimistic than a Quest base would have been, and a hell of a lot less paranoid initially.

Quite frankly we would have been questioning the veracity of Aegon's lineage from day one because of Meta knowledge and IC justification of skepticism that Aegon could have survived, on the say-so of someone Viserys doesn't really know (and thus has no reason to trust, beyond his father trusting him, and again, meta knowledge that Aerys was mad, even before Brynden's big reveal).
 
Crake said:
Yeah, I pointed this out in my own hypothetical scenario. Plausible with narrative backing which states that Viserys was lot more optimistic than a Quest base would have been, and a hell of a lot less paranoid initially.

Quite frankly we would have been questioning the veracity of Aegon's lineage from day one because of Meta knowledge and IC justification of skepticism that Aegon could have survived, on the say-so of someone Viserys doesn't really know (and thus has no reason to trust, beyond his father trusting him, and again, meta knowledge that Aerys was mad, even before Brynden's big reveal).
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Are you quoting the right post?
I'm not sure what this has to do with the "SV playing Lanna" scenario?
 
Artemis1992 said:
Are you quoting the right post?
I'm not sure what this has to do with the "SV playing Lanna" scenario?
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There was two pages of discussion of a scenario wherein ASWaH scenario was 'Viserys learns about Aegon before meeting Brynden and tries to put him on the Iron Throne'. Closely related to the same "Quest Base does Lanna and Gerion in Negaverse".
 
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