1) He didn't ask for a mate, he just asked for more dragon daggers. Lots and lots more. On the bright side we confirmed a lack of Tiamat influence.
2) Laenor Targaryen. And if we brought Amrelath back and we have access to Wyla's ritual and with the lore left over from Garin and Selyse's ritual we shouldn't be too far off from bringing him back.
Thanks.
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[] Develop a ritual to return Laenor Targaryen back to life, using rituals used for Amrelath, Wyla and leftover lore from Garin/Selyse's ritual
[] Find a way to create more Dragon-daggers like Feeder.

I appreciate the like and the vote, but, did you actually read all of that this fast?
The wall-o-text is enticing by itself :V
 
It's not empowering as much as lessening the loss (one of the perks of being a primordial goddess of greed) and yes the drakes count.
Yss has a greater claim by dint of "I ate the soul in question, yum" just to clarify, would scaraficing to the OG prevent Tiamat from having her loss reduced a) the same as Yss going "nom" b)a bit but less so, or c)it's the same as killing them
 
@Azel, what, exactly, is the heresy you are pushing her to?

also, again I bring up this to your attention:
Stout solution

Source
Potions and Poisons pg. 23
Price 100 gp; Weight
Category Tincture
Description

This highly viscous liquid resembles tree sap and is difficult to swallow. For 2 hours after drinking this tincture, you gain a +2 alchemical bonus to your CMD and you can perform combat maneuvers as if you were one size category larger. Your skeleton's increased density causes you to be treated as if you were carrying a medium load, or a heavy load if you were already encumbered by a medium load, for the same duration.
Construction

Craft (Alchemy)
DC 15
have Praetorians be even more bullshit.
 
Hey, @Goldfish, can we have magical aura permanently removed from our crown and a relevantly strong aura (about as strong as a Mindblank) added to, say, our PfE necklace?
*paranoid preparations intensify*

Keep the crown ward as is (as people know about it, Doran for example) and get a a tiny mindblanked stud earring that can be put on one of the inside folds of Visery's ear, and have it's aura and stuff hidden.

... Or straight up implant it inside viserys's earlobe, if we can, and have the object the spell is bound to be a similar colour and translucence as flesh, to increase the spot/heal DC needed to find it :)
 
@Azel, what, exactly, is the heresy you are pushing her to?
Purging R'hllor of that "All are my slaves! Muahahaha!" and "Burn the Heretic! Then burn a few others, because it amuses me!" bullshit.

The rest of the faith is fine. Really. R'hllor should be Lawful Good with his general message and diametrically opposed to anything Chaotic or Evil. What I think happened here is that hundreds of generations of slaves projected all their hatred on him, thus turning him the Lawful Evil asshole we know.

But that is reversible. Look at Best Coatl.
 
Purging R'hllor of that "All are my slaves! Muahahaha!" and "Burn the Heretic! Then burn a few others, because it amuses me!" bullshit.

The rest of the faith is fine. Really. R'hllor should be Lawful Good with his general message and diametrically opposed to anything Chaotic or Evil. What I think happened here is that hundreds of generations of slaves projected all their hatred on him, thus turning him the Lawful Evil asshole we know.

But that is reversible. Look at Best Coatl.
If we pull this off, I want to keep all of our Sacred Texts of R'hllor as pre-reformation vintage copies that we can compare to the post-reformation copies.
 
[X] Azel

Purging R'hllor of that "All are my slaves! Muahahaha!" and "Burn the Heretic! Then burn a few others, because it amuses me!" bullshit.

The rest of the faith is fine. Really. R'hllor should be Lawful Good with his general message and diametrically opposed to anything Chaotic or Evil. What I think happened here is that hundreds of generations of slaves projected all their hatred on him, thus turning him the Lawful Evil asshole we know.

But that is reversible. Look at Best Coatl.
Your plan is even more awesome if Rhllor is actually Asmodeus :D
 
You might want to talk to DP about the below.
As I said earlier, even if the Dominate Monster effect from Orb of Red Dragonkind were able to completely bypass the protection provided by Mind Blank and Protection from Evil, not to mention Wings of Cover, it only has a Will save DC of 25.

Viserys' resting Will save bonus, without any extra buffs from his own spells, Dany's Persistomancy, etc., is +23, or +25 vs Evil. Add the +6 from using the Spirit aspect of Channel Vigor and the +10 from Dany's Persistomancy and that increases to +39, or +41 vs Evil.

Even with no magic at all, assuming Viserys has been stripped of his gear or it has all been Disjoined, and he is benefiting from no buff spells, his Will save bonus would be +22.

Then there are other considerations to take into account. For example, Nine Lives allows him to make another save should his first fail. He's also in the company of several allies capable of casting Alter Fortune, which could allow yet another saving throw.

I hope this better explains why I'm not concerned about the Orb being used to control Viserys?

EDIT: And Viserys has Grand Destiny active, so that would provide another +4 bonus to resist the effect.
 
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Purging R'hllor of that "All are my slaves! Muahahaha!" and "Burn the Heretic! Then burn a few others, because it amuses me!" bullshit.

The rest of the faith is fine. Really. R'hllor should be Lawful Good with his general message and diametrically opposed to anything Chaotic or Evil. What I think happened here is that hundreds of generations of slaves projected all their hatred on him, thus turning him the Lawful Evil asshole we know.

But that is reversible. Look at Best Coatl.
Alright, you got me hooked with this message.
I, too, have few problems with Campfire's faith, so long as he doesn't meddle in our politics, like he's severely inclined to do right now.

Your plan is even more awesome if Rhllor is actually Asmodeus :D
Asmodeus, suddenly turned Lawful Good: "What."
 
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I hope this better explains why I'm not concerned about the Orb being used to control Viserys?
I would still argue it a perfect-ish foci to dominate Viserys if given a god's power, save perhaps actual body piece...
But that one would still be kinda unlikely.
 
If we pull this off, I want to keep all of our Sacred Texts of R'hllor as pre-reformation vintage copies that we can compare to the post-reformation copies.
It's probably on us to write the new version anyway.

I mean... seriously...

We could cast Fire Shield on ourselves, because the crown of flames kinda looks like a halo, but that is literally the only thing I can think of to make us look any more messianic right now.

The hype is quite definitely real. It's easy to forget when it's established fact that gods can appoint their own prophets, but in the end, a messiah is someone with a good message and the ability to sell it. Our message is great and Viserys could sell rocks to the Shaitan. Do the math.

Which, ironically, makes us match the original Azor Ahai perfectly. Everyone from Westeros to Yi-Ti knows him and revers him, be it as the Last Hero, Neferion, Yin Tar or whatever other name they gave him. He was the messiah of everyone and yet of no one, even though by now the Red Faith claims him as their own. And in that regard, is there really anyone in this world with a better claim then Viserys?
 
Alright, you got me hooked with this message.
I, too, have few problems with campfire's faith, so long as he doesn't meddle in our politics, like he's severely inclined to do right now.

Just wanted to say, while the Campfire God comment was funny, he'll always be Burny to me.

That's one vintage thread meme that shouldn't be taken out back if you know what I mean.
 
It's probably on us to write the new version anyway.

I mean... seriously...

We could cast Fire Shield on ourselves, because the crown of flames kinda looks like a halo, but that is literally the only thing I can think of to make us look any more messianic right now.

The hype is quite definitely real. It's easy to forget when it's established fact that gods can appoint their own prophets, but in the end, a messiah is someone with a good message and the ability to sell it. Our message is great and Viserys could sell rocks to the Shaitan. Do the math.

Which, ironically, makes us match the original Azor Ahai perfectly. Everyone from Westeros to Yi-Ti knows him and revers him, be it as the Last Hero, Neferion, Yin Tar or whatever other name they gave him. He was the messiah of everyone and yet of no one, even though by now the Red Faith claims him as their own. And in that regard, is there really anyone in this world with a better claim then Viserys?
None known really.
 
And in that regard, is there really anyone in this world with a better claim then Viserys?

If we're talking weave of Fate, as in, Azor Ahai as a puppet dancing on another's strings?

Several. Many could step into the role, and have both the power, and influence, in order to sell it to an arbitrary amount of people (you'll never convince everyone, even if you literally save the world in a way that is undeniable. They'll tell you "good job" at best, and go back to trying to stab you in the back, because there's always going to be someone dissatisfied with the status quo, whatever that status quo is).

But only Viserys has a vision of his own, while also fulfilling all the other criteria. Everyone else who would step up does not have that sheer will and consistency in intent.

The setting beats down and erodes that kind of instinct, by telling a grand lie that they are not in control and never were.
 
It's probably on us to write the new version anyway.

I mean... seriously...

We could cast Fire Shield on ourselves, because the crown of flames kinda looks like a halo, but that is literally the only thing I can think of to make us look any more messianic right now.

The hype is quite definitely real. It's easy to forget when it's established fact that gods can appoint their own prophets, but in the end, a messiah is someone with a good message and the ability to sell it. Our message is great and Viserys could sell rocks to the Shaitan. Do the math.

Which, ironically, makes us match the original Azor Ahai perfectly. Everyone from Westeros to Yi-Ti knows him and revers him, be it as the Last Hero, Neferion, Yin Tar or whatever other name they gave him. He was the messiah of everyone and yet of no one, even though by now the Red Faith claims him as their own. And in that regard, is there really anyone in this world with a better claim then Viserys?
While we're at it we could get rid of the "I am the only god" bullshit.
 
In times like these I read my above comment and go "egad, oh god, we are really that kind of crazy, aren't we?"

#InDefianceofGodsandMen
 
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