A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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- Germany
I never wanted to make them be forgotten. Tywin Lannister should really become a cultural icon.
Like Benedict Arnold, Marie Antoinette, Caligula or Nero.
Turn him into someone whose name will be used as an insult for the next 1,000 years.
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- United States
I'm not sure where the whole 'castles are useless' idea came from. I can understand how building a wall around a city is just more of a pain in the ass than it's worth, but nobody's been saying that castles or forts no longer have a point. Casterly Rock is quite possibly one of the most defensible positions on the planet even assuming it doesn't have mystical protections like Runestone or Winterfell, which I highly doubt. Destroying it just as a statement is quite frankly a waste, literally erasing the Lannister name and turning Lannisport into 'Greyport' more than does the job.
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Goldfish
Friendly Spider-Fish Abomination
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- Formerly of the Far Realm
"Dude, don't pull another Lannister!"
A common reference in the coming centuries when someone does something really stupid and self-destructive.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
...then, I suppose, destroying it as one of few ways to satiate my desire for applying destructive magics on grand scale, won't matter to you? :/
We can build a better fortified position than what it already is.
The position does not require any legion presense either, if what I'm getting geopolitically is right.
What is a purpose of a fortress, if it's not used?
And building something from the ground up will be a better way of securing a populace anyway, what with us actually waving magical security into the building itself.
The fact that it woulb be yet another way in which we'll strike at Lannisters and their 'legacy'...
well, it's one of few things I'm willing to be slightly inefficient at.
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- Germany
Their role will change drastically though and so will the designs. Aerial bombardment, high-powered attacks from casters and similar changes are making the classic medieval castle obsolete as a defensive structure. They need extensive remodelling to serve as defenses in the new military doctrine.
They will have to look a lot more like this:
Fully enclosed, self contained structures with heavy armor and warding.
On the matter of Casterly Rock though, it has some unique advantages that would make it valuable as a Legion base. The Rock is roomy enough to even house bunkers for a sizeable anti-grav force.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
I knew you had a petty reason for countering my argument last time this came up.
That's why I didn't even bother.
- Location
- United States
The whole thing just seems like a massive waste of time and recourses for no actual reason besides an absurd desire to make a point when the horse is fucking dead, Jim. It's right in the center of the Westerlands next to it's largest city, so yes, we will be using the castle. No idea why you'd think we wouldn't.
As for just wanting to do it for the satisfaction and desire to blow shit up ... *shrugs* You do you, man.
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- ?????????
As long as House Lannister doesn't exist by the end of this, in the name sense (I cant believe I have to say this), I don't care about that region. But as a side can we also snag the Golden Tooth? It is a nice fortification and choke point from my understanding. Also I am in full support of Greyport. The statement of doing this alone is good enough incentive.
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egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
You know what, alright, fine, fuck it.
I'm dropping this.
Do what you want with Rock.
Don't expect me not to jump headfirst into the very next chance to massacre someone or destroy a landmark.
What Jinn pulled agaisnt Efreeti floating island just made my determination to pull something awesome stronger :/
I'm dropping this.
Do what you want with Rock.
Don't expect me not to jump headfirst into the very next chance to massacre someone or destroy a landmark.
What Jinn pulled agaisnt Efreeti floating island just made my determination to pull something awesome stronger :/
- Location
- Germany
Winterfell is medival style and has been usefull through all ages of high magic.Their role will change drastically though and so will the designs. Aerial bombardment, high-powered attacks from casters and similar changes are making the classic medieval castle obsolete as a defensive structure. They need extensive remodelling to serve as defenses in the new military doctrine.
They will have to look a lot more like this:
Fully enclosed, self contained structures with heavy armor and warding.
On the matter of Casterly Rock though, it has some unique advantages that would make it valuable as a Legion base. The Rock is roomy enough to even house bunkers for a sizeable anti-grav force.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Yes, taking the Golden Tooth actually makes the Riverlands somewhat defensible to conventional armies.
Now, mind you, we are obviating a lot of strategic advantages from fixed fortifications, but we can still fortify the Golden Tooth's pass against free movement.
- Location
- France
The Rock is useless except as an administrative center and PR move. And IMO the best PR move would be to remove it from the board entirely, showcasing our world-shaking power and emphasizing the uselessness of conventional armies against us.
Therefore I want to destroy the Rock. Castles are useless militarily in a world where real air power and artillery are a thing, and we can build administrative centers trivially easily once we conquer Lannisport.
Therefore I want to destroy the Rock. Castles are useless militarily in a world where real air power and artillery are a thing, and we can build administrative centers trivially easily once we conquer Lannisport.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
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- USA
I think Azel's argument here is it was good against brute force magic effects like teleportation, blinking, and other ways of bypassing walls. But it ain't proof against airships large enough to land an entire army behind your garrison on the walls.
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- Germany
Harrenhall didn't even survive the low-magic times.
And our new Darkenbeast Company could do the same to Winterfell in a single bombing run.
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- France
Winterfell has wards, but we can deal massive amounts of untyped damage with artillery or magical monsters (Colossal Flesh-forged constructs, etc)
EDIT: To be clear, I think that Westeros never was truly high-magic and would have fallen if attacked by Valyria.
EDIT: To be clear, I think that Westeros never was truly high-magic and would have fallen if attacked by Valyria.
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- Germany
I disagree. As an administrative center it's indeed worthless, but we could build an entirely underground airbase in the Rock.
- Location
- France
Or we could build or underground airbase, you know, underground.
- Location
- Germany
I would genuinely favor mountains here as they make it more difficult to tunnel in or attack the base from the ground.
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- France
I too think that mountains are great for an airbase full of flyers more maneuver level than planes
We can just build a Dragon-shaped moutain though, and get the PR from having nuked the Rock too.
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
PR?
Viserys Targaryen Destroys Ancient Castles Full of Hapless Servants, Kinsmen, Young and Old!
You know one of the implicit things about Yohn (and likely others) following us is that we won't pull a Tywin in any sense of the word, either enslaving our bannermen with magic or killing innocents needlessly given the disparity of power at play.
Killing people on the battlefield is different in terms of optics, yes.
Viserys Targaryen Destroys Ancient Castles Full of Hapless Servants, Kinsmen, Young and Old!
You know one of the implicit things about Yohn (and likely others) following us is that we won't pull a Tywin in any sense of the word, either enslaving our bannermen with magic or killing innocents needlessly given the disparity of power at play.
Killing people on the battlefield is different in terms of optics, yes.
egoo
Totally Not Creating Problems Where None Existed
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- Russia
(after winning the war)
1. Evacuate people and all thigns of worth.
2. Destroy the mountain.
Done, all the PR and profit, none of Tywin-ness
Crake
I AM THE STORM THAT IS APPROACHING
- Location
- USA
Given our messianic figure, I imagine it will end up being more in the vein of Judas Iscariot.
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- France
No, before winning the war!
Just do it slowly enough to let people flee