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Looking only at the impact on ranks takes challenges too lightly. It takes considerable time and effort and a loss will adversely affect one's reputation as well as baiting yet more challenges.
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Threads Of Destiny(Eastern Fantasy, Sequel to Forge of Destiny)
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Alectai made a good point and I want to further on that.
[X] Research Disciple 807
His elements are metal and earth, neither which are usefull if we fly away like in Chu Song fight to build up FVM.
For secondary challenge the most likely is that he has to build a fortress and we have to break into that same fortress, both of us having time limits. This is where we shine, so we should do it.
[X] Research Disciple 807
His elements are metal and earth, neither which are usefull if we fly away like in Chu Song fight to build up FVM.
For secondary challenge the most likely is that he has to build a fortress and we have to break into that same fortress, both of us having time limits. This is where we shine, so we should do it.
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[X] Research Disciple 812
...is that a Xianxia Mechadendrite or something like an early Cai Dress? Also huh, I'm very curious about the filaments being art vectors. I thought she was limited to Wood/Flesh/Silk.
Guess her arts go into Wood/Metal later
Ling Qi, you drank cryogenic wine once.
*Reowr*
Catty back and forth there.
Xiulan is slightly on the squishy side, but she's got a much more respectable Qi base than she used to.
...or maybe her qi efficiency was just trash.
Her offense is holy shit though. Xiulan is all about winning quickdraws and then frying her opponent before they can move.
She's also finally picked up her Sun arts. Guess they were Green.
Suyin is kind of combat-scrawny as a crafter as expected. The Metal element is new, but fits her(measured and well plotted revenge to get away with it clean). The ???...I'm starting to wonder if its Life.
Looking at her Qi score...had she Peaked physical/spiritual before just dumping all that time into Qi?
Like I said last update, our batch is freakish. Theres like a hundred Inner Sect members who'd lose a duel to most of the Group of 16 losers from the tournament.
Its only reasonable.
And I see she hadn't even tried to breakthrough yet huh?
Jesus, Meizhen was not shitting around, she made a genuine effort to murder him right there.
So, two things we learned here:
-Ji Rong is finally researching whether he actually committed a crime to Renxiang as part of his character development arc, rather than assuming it was just noble spite. I think if he found out that he was actually in the wrong, that's going to be a sobering idea to him. On the other side, if he found out it was unjustified I think he'd probably try to sue Renxiang for redress. And Renxiang being who we know she is, would probably meet that if he can show cause.
-I'm increasingly convinced the archivists are keeping the book object spirits as pets. Ji Rong probably loudly commented on a given law being stupid, which the literally hidebound tome of law took umbrage to and then started trying to beat the law into his head.
Also literally everyone is using the library for more than Arts.
Its just Ling Qi who beelines the powerups exclusively keks.
Kang has...issues, but it looks like his strategy is pretty much tank and let his beasts tear opponents apart.
Ded killy even in the outdated form. And she's only becoming more so in seclusion.
Hell, she doesn't even need the rank benefits strictly speaking, she gets more goodies than the rank gives from her family, and the Argent Vent is of limited use to her.
I'm guessing she's going to bide her time, build up power, then rematch Meizhen with a completely unknown set of skills, because that's the only challenge she gives a shit about.
Pikachu there is all in on high speed physical penetration.
His spiritual defense was trash, but I expect he's been working on closing that hole.
Mmm, I think after having had his defense overcome by a more mobile opponent exhausting his qi without retaliation both in the tournament and in the Dream he's going to get better active fdefenses.
*Pats Suyin*
You know, going by what we heard, Suyin probably could have beaten her way into the top 16 of a normal year's combat tourney.
She's just surrounded by monsters.
Probably fortifying his new home against Ling Qi trauma.
Xiulan: "Nerds"
Suyin is the STEM nerd and Ling Qi is the Arts nerd.
And here we have Sixiang moved out of her comfort zone. She don't like it.
Apparently a Good Boi, we can come out of this with no unnecessary grudges.
He'd probably pick a scouting challenge though, and he handily outclasses us at that for now, barring a big development.
Challenge would reveal our stealth abilities. Reminder nobody had seen our stealth at work, the rumors are probably inflated compared to the reality and we would like to keep it that way.
A tank, sort of like a crafter Shen Hu. Would probably pick facepunch match. Same tactics should work.
Challenge would reveal our straight facepunch capabilities...which we've already shown. No major info leaked.
Does not seem to be likely to keep a grudge, but at the same time he has the Sect Points needed to refuse a match potentially, though given how challenges aren't THAT big a deal the only reason to refuse is to hide capabilities.
Apparently a flaming guitarist.
We're probably going to get a music based challenge here, but she's a physical Fire attacker with high accuracy. Theres a chance she goes with the facepunch and we reveal our secret Fire Resistance H from Zhengui.
So probably like Music Xiulan as opposed to our creeping doom strategy. Might keep a feud or might not, but no connections to make it more than personal.
I see some people discussing in terms of bully...but I personally see it more as making a connection of sorts. A music arts duel is essentially a challenge of communication, to send out your passions through music.
Note that this will normally reveal our music skills, but we play regularly for Cai's gatherings, so that's common knowledge.
The crux is potentially revealing Mastery of FVM/FSS I think, but thats hardly a surprise to anyone doing research on us.
[X] Research Disciple 812
Lets see what she thinks of stuff.
Besides, Fire/Wind stereotype is Wildfire. I.e. they'd flare up at you on the slightest provocation, and then its over and behind them.[/quote][/QUOTE]
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No, you're misunderstanding it.
The Filaments are another form of manipulator. Like how a spider can use its limbs to muck about with its webbing as its launching it out of its rear-thorax.
Think of sewing needles.
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- United States of America
[X] Research Disciple 807
Wasn't a lot of description to go off, but I got "metal thread manipulators", "integrated into dress" and "sort of like a domain weapon", which parsed as basically wire tentacles to me.
Got any details off yrs you could share?
No, not unless we pissed off the Elders lately, or are getting cocky, for the same reason that challenging Meizhen to embroidery is ridiculous.
Ling Qi vs a Formations crafter is MUCH more likely to be a challenge where the crafter builds a defensive position and Ling Qi has to break through within a certain time limit.
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[X] Research Disciple 812
I think this is the challenge we're far more likely to win. And honestly, losing to someone's challenge isn't the worst thing in the world, as others have said it's one rank, the same as if we beat 807 or 804. But losing a challenge you've made to someone is far worse, you're out the AP used to make the challenge, and the AP used to get the challenge points back.... let's try not to do that.
I think this is the challenge we're far more likely to win. And honestly, losing to someone's challenge isn't the worst thing in the world, as others have said it's one rank, the same as if we beat 807 or 804. But losing a challenge you've made to someone is far worse, you're out the AP used to make the challenge, and the AP used to get the challenge points back.... let's try not to do that.
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- United States of America
So, for a closer comparison between Ling Qi and the possible targets here are some comparisons between them.
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This took far too much time to do, but it is finally done. Hopefully this provides some useful quantitative data about who we are stronger/weaker than in various respective areas. This doesn't take into account arts or other qualitative benefits, but it should give a good measuring stick for how we stack up against the others. Additionally, it gives a nice overview of what information we are missing from selective candidates, which should be helpful in determining how useful further research is against them.
We stack up pretty favorably against our targets in pure skills. That assessment, however, is pretty heavily determined by the fact that a lot of key information is N/A. However, I do think that we could hold our own against any of these targets and some of them we could be very strong against. Anyways, I hope that this is useful comparisions to make.
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Health: B15
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Health: B
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Health: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Health: N/A
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Health: B15
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Health: B
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Health: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Health: N/A
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Qi: B =35
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Qi: C25
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Qi: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Qi: N/A
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Qi: B =35
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Qi: C25
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Qi: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Qi: N/A
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Combat Perception: B20
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Combat perception: B
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Combat Perception C5-C20
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Combat Perception: N/A
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Combat Perception: B20
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Combat perception: B
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Combat Perception C5-C20
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Combat Perception: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Phys Hit: B10
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Phys Hit: Hit B7 (Musical Doots only)
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Phys Hit: C25
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Phys Hit: C20
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Phys Hit: B10
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Phys Hit: Hit B7 (Musical Doots only)
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Phys Hit: C25
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Phys Hit: C20
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Spiritual Pen: B
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Spiritual Pen (FVM): C28
Spiritual Pen (FSS): B8
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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SpiritualHit: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Spiritual Pen: N/A
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Spiritual Pen: B
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Spiritual Pen (FVM): C28
Spiritual Pen (FSS): B8
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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SpiritualHit: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Spiritual Pen: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Physical Armor: C20
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Physical Armor: C17-C27
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Physical Armor: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Physical Armor: N/A
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Physical Armor: C20
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Physical Armor: C17-C27
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Physical Armor: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Physical Armor: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Spiritual Armor: B15
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Spiritual Armor: B5-B15
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Spiritual Armor: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Spiritual Armor: N/A
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Spiritual Armor: B15
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Spiritual Armor: B5-B15
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Spiritual Armor: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Spiritual Armor: N/A
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Speed: C25, Init: B
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Speed: C7-C12, Init: B4
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Speed: N/A, Init: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Speed: N/A, Init: N/A
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Speed: C25, Init: B
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Speed: C7-C12, Init: B4
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Speed: N/A, Init: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Speed: N/A, Init: N/A
Disciple 830: Ling Qi
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Spiritual Hit: B25 (Music)
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Spiritual Hit: C25
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Spiritual Hit: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Spiritual Hit: N/A
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Spiritual Hit: B25 (Music)
Disciple 812: Yu Nuan
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Spiritual Hit: C25
Disciple 805: Mou Shuang
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Spiritual Hit: N/A
Disciple 807: Xu Zhen
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Spiritual Hit: N/A
This took far too much time to do, but it is finally done. Hopefully this provides some useful quantitative data about who we are stronger/weaker than in various respective areas. This doesn't take into account arts or other qualitative benefits, but it should give a good measuring stick for how we stack up against the others. Additionally, it gives a nice overview of what information we are missing from selective candidates, which should be helpful in determining how useful further research is against them.
We stack up pretty favorably against our targets in pure skills. That assessment, however, is pretty heavily determined by the fact that a lot of key information is N/A. However, I do think that we could hold our own against any of these targets and some of them we could be very strong against. Anyways, I hope that this is useful comparisions to make.
Has nobody put together a chibi Suyin heresy gif yet?
[X] Research Disciple 812
The most efficient use of our time is probably to smack somebody down in a straight up fight in order to discourage future challenges. But I'm a sucker for a (f)lute duel.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Yeah one thing about this, is that the information we have on hand is most useful for a straight combat challenge. At the moment.
And from what can be gathered straight combat is not completely common. Given further research I expect it to get more informative in terms of the skills, which are what we should really look at for challenges.
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No, but you weren't making the obvious connection between what was being described and how extra limbs fit into her existing skillset.
Kai Merah
Hound Hearted Hedonist
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I don't think we can beat 804 in an infiltration challenge, and I'm worried 807 will challenge us to formations since we did demonstrate some formations proficiency during the tournament with our construct. I prefer 812 since challenging her doesn't reveal more of our secondary capabilities. Also, I'm very curious about if Ling Qi can put her feelings about the Wild Hunt into song. I like music in general cause it's all about taking a look at and expressing her emotions, and I think Ling Qi could use more of that, especially after her recent trauma.
[X] Research Disciple 812
[X] Research Disciple 812
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- United States of America
While it is most useful for combat challenges, the data does serve as a strong point of comparison where inferences can be drawn regarding other skills and stats. For instance, we have the highest stat on the board (Spiritual Hit: B25 compared to Mou Shuang Combat Perception: B20). This indicates that one of our specialties (Music) could have better stats than one of Mou Shuang's specialties (reconnaissance). This also implies that we can beat one of these targets if our specialties overlap.
And while I do agree that combat challenges are not something we can count on, this information is useful if we can target an individual who can be goaded or prodded into accepting a combat challenge. It is quite clear that we have the advantage on the combat specs.
Given this, to me at least, Disciple 812 (Yu Nuan) is the most favorable target to do more research on. We have information on only 4/9ths of the current categories for her and she is likely to be an individual that more people are willing to talk about as well as being more open about her abilities. This means that we have a lot of possible general information to cover, but we can be pretty sure to narrow down the possible challenges/relevant skills that she would be going for. Our specialties cross (music) and given the other inference above we should have comparable to favorable music skills should we compete against her.
All in all, I'm feeling more confident in my choice that Yu Nuan is the disciple that would be best for us to challenge. The information we need to gather on her will most likely be easier to gather than the other targets, we can be pretty comfortable in comparing our general to specific skills, and our specialties match reducing the probable wildcard challenge options.
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- Third planet from the star named Sol
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- He/They
The Elders choose what options are presented to the challenged party. And unless the Elders seriously misconstrue 'studied formations a little bit, particularly in how to break them,' as being good enough to challenge a disciple focused in them at a crafting competition, he's not going to get that option.
NaanContributor
Provider of delicious flatbread, and nothing else.
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- Hawaii
[X] Research Disciple 812