At the Old Anchor

Twenty-Seventh Day of the Seventh Month 293 AC

Rather than wasting time trying to speak to the admiral's staff or simply entering uninvited and risking being ignored on principle, you send Varys off with a letter to Gylliros Paenyl. Though it is undeniably more difficult to argue through the written word, absent the other side's reactions and retorts, you are reasonably confident that between your message and Varys' own efforts you can at least get the admiral to meet with you. The answer you receive is curt enough to be counted a deadly insult in Tyrosh or Volantis while being only just polite enough for the Braavosi norm: an hour and a place together with amusingly enough a pledge to pay for lunch.

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The Golden Anchor is a traditional gathering place of Braavosi officers horseshoe-shaped inn built of wood long since blackened by time even while the salt waters flowing in from the Purple Harbor bleached its pillars. Ancient trophies of wars long past hang from the rafters, from tattered Volantene banners the gold thread only just glinting from amid the rotting cloth to the fanciful colors of sellsword companies dead and gone three centuries and more. Even the spout for the largest beer barrel passes through the mouth an an old Pentoshi figurehead in an admittedly comical form of mockery.

It is there that you and Wyla take seats, the former vampire looking around with faintly predatory interest, like a well-fed cat on a sunny windowsill.

The admiral has been waiting for you, dark deep-set eyes staring out of a face toughened by wind and rain, marked by dozens of scars and pockmarks. A carved wooden leg knocks rhythmically against his seat. It can hardly be worse that Stannis Baratheon, you tell yourself by way of encouragement. It does not help too much.

You wait in silence until the servant brings a trencher filed with meat and another smaller one filled with salt. "Though this is home and hearth to nether of us, let it be that we stand under guest right, whatever words must be spoken," you proclaim.

Gylliros' eyes flash with annoyance, for in spite of your words you had overturned what aught to have been his turf by being the one to offer bread and salt in the Westerosi manner. To refuse now would be an insult, and childish one at that, as you had not come to discuss any substantive matter. He quickly eats a piece of bread with salt sprinkled atop it, but touches neither wine nor food otherwise. "Speak. I am listening..." That much at least you trust. He will listen, little though he might wish it.

"My lord, let us not mince words like courtiers hiding behind twisted turns of phrase. I know you have little love of me and less for many of my subjects, but I wonder had you met me four years ago if you would have given me even so much attention as to feel disdain. A curiosity I was then, the seed of Aerys the Mad, discounted by East and West alike. Is it any wonder then that I sought to raise my banner in the place where east and west met, that I sought to raise a realm from lands that knew no king?"

"In the company of brigands thieves and murderers?" the old sailor growls. "It is not my place to say if I am surprised or not."

"Some men in my service have committed crimes before, but in each instance those worst perpetrators were punished duly under the law as it was written or drawn for the purpose as the case may be by my own hand, keeping in mind always precedent and the fiber of individual character," you reply firmly and in full honesty. "I have seen slavers who have committed atrocities hung and sellswords who swung their banners up and down for different masters, the same banners who have dipped and waned in like for countless generations, into raising ones out of loyalty to us, for they will never again live as they have done these last four-hundred years."

"So the future excuses the past, does it?" Gylliros gives a short ugly laugh. "I've herd that tune before mostly, from killers grown fat on blood and now wishing to buy their way into the company of honest men."

At that Wyla giggles, the sound startlingly natural, though you are quite certain she planed it. "Pardon, my lord, but as one who can rightly be claim to have been born into a respectable family and grown to power by, er, feasting on blood as the conquerer of Naath, I find the dichotomy disingenuous. A sufficiently clever raider can realize that taxing wealth is more profitable than taking it just as the first sheepherder now lost to the depths of time must have realized that it is better to pen sheep rather than hunt them with a spear. Go back far enough and you will find something of the hunter in all our most exalted lines I would wager."

"Lines may change in the fullness of time mayhap, but I have not found men to do so," the admiral replies stubbornly. "The thug turned taxman will take from his share, the killer turned lord might pay another man to do his murders but a killer he shall remain."

"Though they might sorrow for that fact?" you ask, stressing the word ever so gently. The blow lands as you had expected it to, but you do not give him time to answer. "The corsairs who sailed the Narrow Sea when we first arrived in what would later be known as Sorcerer's Deep had no great store of foresight. No mighty armies came at my command, merely a company of friends and what sailors we could gather with gold made from trade. And while our magics had seen us through many a peril, they were not the earth-shattering and sky-cutting wonders they are now. They had merely hope for a better tomorrow and trust in our given word to buoy spirit that they were not passing into the hand from one maddened spell-weaver into that of another. It was those men who helped end slavery. Is even that not worthy of forgiving the evils they may have done before? Then surely forgiveness should never be given, the worst of all evils."

"If you want forgiveness you should talk to a priest," he answers, the surly words doing little to hide the gathering flicker of doubt in his gaze before he takes a long rink of wine. "The realm you are making is theirs, Valyria come again they call it, and they praise you for your magic and your pretty face, for the blood of old masters even as you free the slaves. How many of those slaves do you think look at you and see not a liberator but just a better master farther away? What do you think your heirs will make of that trust?"

The answer that springs at once to your lips is not one you can blurt aloud. Claim's of mortality do not generally say much for one's sanity. Yet answer the question you must if you are to shift the admiral's position, and through him those Braavosi who see your realm as the heir to Valyria's tyranny.

What do you reply?

[] Write in

OOC: I had to modify the write in to fit with the rolls, but hopefully this will give you a better idea of why you have an opposition in Braavos.
Eh...let's just arrange an accident for this dude, y'all.

He's simply not worth investing more effort into given the attitude he has shown thus far and the insight it has given us into his personality.
 
Eh...let's just arrange an accident for this dude, y'all.

He's simply not worth investing more effort into given the attitude he has shown thus far and the insight it has given us into his personality.
Too much effort. Let's just Diplomance him right here. We don't need a loyal supporter: we just need him to stop with the assassins.
 
[X] Goldfish
*CN tendencies intensify*
 
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He is lucky the assassin didn't target best mom.

Edit: We have come so far, so we might as well diplomance him.
 
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Too much effort. Let's just Diplomance him right here. We don't need a loyal supporter: we just need him to stop with the assassins.
Diplomacy requires a certain amount of receptivity which this dude simply doesn't seem to display.

Short of permanent mental tampering, I don't see us being able to say anything to the admiral that will change his mind.
 
Diplomacy requires a certain amount of receptivity which this dude simply doesn't seem to display.

Short of permanent mental tampering, I don't see us being able to say anything to the admiral that will change his mind.
Really? He did seem to listen to us. He just raised a very good point that we had failed to address.
And hey, IRL examples show that visionary new leaders promising that things will work out and that society will change usually achieve some short-term gains only to see society NOT change and then have everything go downhill again due to inertia and passive resistance of the old order.

See Nyerere's "Ujamaa" (a new agricultural and social system) in Tanzania: great in theory, but in practice most people didn't really care about it and it had difficulty spreading/lasting when Nyerere wasn't focusing on it constantly.
 
[] "I asked to meet with you, Admiral Paenyl, for one simple reason; I saw continued value in allowing you to live. Let's not mince words. You are a member of a conspiracy that has set itself against my interests, one which has gone so far as to send an assassin, a Sorrowful Man, to slay one of my representatives in Myr."
--[] "That act was not merely foolish, but outright criminal. Attempted murder by proxy, despite keeping your hands clean of spilled blood, seems no less unsavory to my sensibilities than those crimes you accuse my subjects of committing."
---[] "Would you care to justify your actions, to defend them in some manner that does not brand you as a hypocrite?"
 
Really? He did seem to listen to us. He just raised a very good point that we had failed to address.
And hey, IRL examples show that visionary new leaders promising that things will work out and that society will change usually achieve some short-term gains only to see society NOT change and then have everything go downhill again due to inertia and passive resistance of the old order.

See Nyerere's "Ujamaa" (a new agricultural and social system) in Tanzania: great in theory, but in practice most people didn't really care about it and it had difficulty spreading/lasting when Nyerere wasn't focusing on it constantly.

I think more people are pissed at the fact that this guy is talking about us being Valyria's successors even though our empire bases a lot of its foundation on Braavosi (read capitalist) ideas. That and the fact that people only say Valyrian successor empire because we look Valyrian. Or the attempted murder on our envoys. That last one might be the most important.
 
I think more people are pissed at the fact that this guy is talking about us being Valyria's successors even though our empire bases a lot of its foundation on Braavosi (read capitalist) ideas. That and the fact that people only say Valyrian successor empire because we look Valyrian. Or the attempted murder on our envoys. That last one might be the most important.
Yeah, we might want to bring up that we know about the assasin. I doubt he'll change his tune, though.
 
[x] "There is one throne only to which I have a claim by right of blood and it is a far more recent claim than Old Valyria. My realm I took by conquest, not the colour of my hair, and I rule by right of performing the duties of a ruler. I provide good governance where there was bad governance or none at all. I give laws, I follow those laws and the First of those laws I learned growing up here in Braavos. The tyranny of Old Valyria is a shadow to be overcome, those who would be the heirs of that Tyranny are the enemies of my realm.
-[x] "I cannot speak of the character of heirs yet to be conceived. I will leave them robust laws and traditions and a realm that thrives because liberty thrives. I will teach them all I can. What ruler can say more?"
 
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Poor Xor. We've barely seen him these past turns and he's still holding to that grisly token made from human body parts.

#moarxorscreentime
I don't think Xor particularly mind it's grisliness, remember Xor don't have a human mentality, he helped engineer the Lyseni undead plague, not out of malice, but because no one had told him being undead sucked, at most he mind it intellectually, because he knows the people whose body parts it was crafted out of, wouldn't have approved of it's creation, but on a raw emotional level, Xor don't particularly see the problem, just like he bears no resentment, for the fact he was originally summoned by Lyseni fleshcrafters, to be raw materials.
 
[X] "Rather than speculate on my non-existent heirs, whose potential character remains unknown to even the gods, I would instead focus on matters of importance now."
-[X] "I asked to meet with you, Admiral Paenyl, for one simple reason; I saw continued value in allowing you to live. Let's not mince words. You are a member of a conspiracy that has set itself against my interests, one which has gone so far as to send an assassin, a Sorrowful Man, to slay one of my representatives in Myr."
--[X] "That act was not merely foolish, but outright criminal. Attempted murder by proxy, despite keeping your hands clean of spilled blood, seems no less unsavory to my sensibilities than those crimes you accuse my subjects of committing."
---[X] "Would you care to justify your actions, to defend them in some manner that does not brand you as a hypocrite?"
 
So his issue, at least partly, is that we are too similar to Valyria? Man he must hate the other free cities then
Well he is from a family that refuse to trade with them, trading only with Westeros, so yes that is very likely.
I think more people are pissed at the fact that this guy is talking about us being Valyria's successors even though our empire bases a lot of its foundation on Braavosi (read capitalist) ideas. That and the fact that people only say Valyrian successor empire because we look Valyrian. Or the attempted murder on our envoys. That last one might be the most important.
Well we have been casting ourselves as Valyria 02 a bit, new and improved and without slavery of course, but that's how we got Zherys in on things.

We haven't been yelling about the glory of Valyria come again, but neither have we been decrying it as the evil empire full of assholes it was, we have remained ambivalent on the issue, and considering our Valyrian ancestry, and the fact we have been making a lot of use of Valyrian things such as dragons and Valyrian steels, makes it a somewhat reasonable conclusion.
 
"If you want forgiveness you should talk to a priest," he answers, the surly words doing little to hide the gathering flicker of doubt in his gaze before he takes a long rink of wine. "The realm you are making is theirs, Valyria come again they call it, and they praise you for your magic and your pretty face, for the blood of old masters even as you free the slaves. How many of those slaves do you think look at you and see not a liberator but just a better master farther away? What do you think your heirs will make of that trust?"
[X] "Would you rather have me become a butcher, slaughtering children for the sins of their ancestors ? Would you rather I tear down all vestige of civilisation because their moral failures are not your own ? I have seen and lived in the slums of the Hidden City, should I condemn all Braavosi because some children there live more poorly than many slaves did in Lys ? Are they anymore free because their chains are not of metal ?"
 
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