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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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You know, does anyone else get the impression that this entire time this Fey has been underestimating us?

Because it looks like, even if not all of us were aware of it from the start of the conversation, seeing as how we typically play Xanatos Speed Chess when planning, we were leading her into a trap this entire time.
 
To be fair, we're rocking 24 Int and 22 Wis, which is blatantly superhuman, alongside having key skills ranging from 15/17 to 36.

Viserys is basically a supergenius in many fields so he does have the mental power to run circles in basically everyone that's not a devil.

Oh wait, we did mange to con a Devil Archduke into giving us an exception clause in the Pact Primeval, nevermind that last part then.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Ah, the terrifying discussion on our early build.

Also, if you read about 70k words a day, you should finish before february, hopefully. So, good luck.
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If I read nothing but this, it would take a week or two. I read fast.

Edit: also, thank god we aren't a Swiftblade. I seem to remember that early on there were some people saying that classes without good prestige options should just suck it up and suck, too.
 
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Snowfire said:
you remembered the presence of the Red King at Chichen Itza,
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Second person.
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The oldest and most powerful spirit I had been around that long
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I think you are missing a "know" before the "had".
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It would take time, a notion that had surprised your ally
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Second person again.

Also, wasn't he going to Greater Restoration it away?
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To that, you received only the same chilling smile.
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Second person, yet again.
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My mother's amulet told me there was a way within an hour's hike
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Shouldn't it be Way?
 
ryuan said:
To be fair, we're rocking 24 Int and 22 Wis, which is blatantly superhuman, alongside having key skills ranging from 15/17 to 36.

Viserys is basically a supergenius in many fields so he does have the mental power to run circles in basically everyone that's not a devil.

Oh wait, we did mange to con a Devil Archduke into giving us an exception clause in the Pact Primeval, nevermind that last part then.
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To be fair this is definitely never a thing Mammon will live down regardless of if we live or die. His corps of manpower (Outsiderpower?) will forever be leakier than a faucet since the Infernal Hierarchy has a dogshit turnover rate and getting out is the aspiration of any Devil who doesn't seem confident enough (or interested enough in the case of Erinyes) to climb above their current position.

If we ever take the war to Baator he is such a liability that I honestly think those bound to the Third will be kept far from the front in fear of betrayal. And not the usual "keikaku doori" 'nother Arch-Devil taking advantage of devilish duplicity, but betrayal of Hell itself for an outside power.
 
Crake said:
I'd underestimate him too...
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All according to keikaku*.
Crake said:
You know, does anyone else get the impression that this entire time this Fey has been underestimating us?
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Yup.
Crake said:
Because it looks like, even if not all of us were aware of it from the start of the conversation, seeing as how we typically play Xanatos Speed Chess when planning, we were leading her into a trap this entire time.
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But not really for this, just generally thinking her blatant evasion isn't being noticed.

Or that we would fail to smite her shit.
ryuan said:
Oh wait, we did mange to con a Devil Archduke into giving us an exception clause in the Pact Primeval, nevermind that last part then.
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Eh, it was less being super smart/skilled, and more being a ballsy motherfucker who knew enough that something like Mammon has a pride measured in astronomic units.

He agreed to let us buff up freely before combat, when he himself had all but jumped out of bed, naked, when we 'called'.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. And with an ego that big, well, here we are in our shiny, shiny Cloak, which is impressive enough to make the Shaitan and Djinn let us form a tripartite alliance.
spiritualatheist said:
Edit: also, thank god we aren't a Swiftblade. I seem to remember that early on there were some people saying that classes without good prestige options should just suck it up and suck, too.
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You know, magical swordsman Viserys would have cut a rather different figure than Turtle-Beam Viserys.

I do wonder how our image and even personal relations would be if we went that route. Granted, we could have been tremendously effective, yes.

But we'd be like Waymar or Ser Richard: absolutely phenomenal at killing things dead, but not really possessing skills outside that.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
All according to keikaku*.

Yup.

But not really for this, just generally thinking her blatant evasion isn't being noticed.

Or that we would fail to smite her shit.

Eh, it was less being super smart/skilled, and more being a ballsy motherfucker who knew enough that something like Mammon has a pride measured in astronomic units.

He agreed to let us buff up freely before combat, when he himself had all but jumped out of bed, naked, when we 'called'.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. And with an ego that big, well, here we are in our shiny, shiny Cloak, which is impressive enough to make the Shaitan and Djinn let us form a tripartite alliance.

You know, magical swordsman Viserys would have cut a rather different figure than Turtle-Beam Viserys.

I do wonder how our image and even personal relations would be if we went that route. Granted, we could have been tremendously effective, yes.

But we'd be like Waymar or Ser Richard: absolutely phenomenal at killing things dead, but not really possessing skills outside that.
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There was one person who unironically suggested Dragon Disciple.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
I do wonder how our image and even personal relations would be if we went that route. Granted, we could have been tremendously effective, yes.

But we'd be like Waymar or Ser Richard: absolutely phenomenal at killing things dead, but not really possessing skills outside that.
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I suspect we would be kind of like Bobby B in this case: deadly in battle, maybe with some kind of personal magnetism to make people like us at best, but ultimately relying on advisers to do most of the ruling like traditional Westerosi kings rather than the Wise Philosopher Sorcerer King we are now.

Now, a more interesting thought: Would we be more of an Evil Overlord when all we have is a hammer for individual nails?

I can't help but question if Viserys would ever try to build an empire if he couldn't reform basically everything about Planetosi society from the top down. Maybe in that route we'd have just reclaimed our birthright and been content--then gotten steamrolled by our first extraplanar/eldritch abomination tier threat and had to do a "grit your teeth" team-up with our remaining enemies and opposition to survive.
 
zxzx24 said:
Naw, people are definetly that bizarre and sociopathic.
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Even if you're idealistic enough to assume people in reality who seek power and influence aren't this sociopathic and bizarre on average, people in Westeros and Essos definitely are.

Edit: Okay, to be fair to the above, at least in Westeros (not really sure about Essos), there is some romance and idealism, but it doesn't really overshadow the duplicity and madness you see at high level personal politics. The backstabbing and treachery in the WoFK era is truly fucking astounding.
 
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Crake said:
Even if you're idealistic enough to assume people in reality who seek power and influence aren't this sociopathic and bizarre on average, people in Westeros and Essos definitely are.

Edit: Okay, to be fair to the above, at least in Westeros (not really sure about Essos), there is some romance and idealism, but it doesn't really overshadow the duplicity and madness you see at high level personal politics. The backstabbing and treachery in the WoFK era is truly fucking astounding.
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It's also a very opportunistic era, since the winner literally takes all. If there were no ice zombie apocalypse coming in the winner would have united Westeros under a single banner, a feat only the Targaryes + Dragons + Dorne rolling a nat 1 managed to accomplish.
 
zxzx24 said:
Naw, people are definetly that bizarre and sociopathic.
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I'm genuinely unsure how serious you're being about this. Seeing as you gave off a frighteningly sincere impression of being so triggered by the threads' attitude towards the Fey that you needed to leave, I'm going to take your statements and 'arguments,' if they can be called that, seriously.

What I'm pretty sure you've hyperfocused on this time, as opposed to your hysterical fearmongering during the Saltpans' speech, is that the threads' attitude towards the Fey is 'racist.' What your two previous statements declared is that humans and Fey are really the same, which is so ridiculous I have difficulty taking this seriously and not just calling you demeaning names.

Leaving aside how twisted, stupid, vicious, sociopathic, short-sighted, and irrational humanity can be at its worst, I'm going to just state that the issue isn't about the intristic goodness of a species. What I'm trying to say is that the Fey aren't elves with a quirky culture we need to respect and should treat the same as everyone else. The Fey are alien, in mindset and in physiology. They don't think and act the same way people do on a fundamental level. Hell, demons and angels are easier to handle in this manner, as they're fundamentally tied to the ideas of Good and Evil, essentially human concepts that everyone understands to some extent. The Fey are operating off of Blue and Orange Morality, with the only real commonality a distinct contempt for mortality. It varies in extent, with the Pech and Moonsong on the more reasonable side of the scale, and the Bright One and the Reach Fey being more "You dare stand before me, puny mortal!", as the Lady here isn't so great at concealing.

My argument is that your reaction to people's attitude towards the Fey is irrational and misinterpreting the situation. This isn't something with a good real world analogy, we're not being unnecessary discriminatory - the Fey need to be handled specially in order to keep them in line and not doing whatever they want, which is usually to the detriment of all the little things caught in their way. Mortal lives are so short and easily sniffed out, after all.
 
Crake said:
You know, does anyone else get the impression that this entire time this Fey has been underestimating us?

Because it looks like, even if not all of us were aware of it from the start of the conversation, seeing as how we typically play Xanatos Speed Chess when planning, we were leading her into a trap this entire time.
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One of the nicer things about playing Viserys is that this happens roughly 90% of the time.
 
It's like we have a (Su) "Meh, I can take him" constant aura that we can't control, turn off, or have suppressed which makes people underestimate us.

Coupled with a conditional and similar (Ex) Dread Sorcerer constant aura which makes people who have been effected by the former once and suffered a loss against us attribute ridiculous deeds and claims verging on slander (or just slander) to us.

Oh and the area of effect is measured in AU.
 
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Crake said:
It's like we have a (Su) "Meh, I can take him" constant aura that we can't control, turn off, or have suppressed which makes people underestimate us.

Coupled with a conditional and similar (Ex) Dread Sorcerer constant aura which makes people who have been effected by the former once and suffered a loss against us attribute ridiculous deeds and claims verging on slander (or just slander) to us.

Oh and the area of effect is measured in AU.
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Considering what we've actually done, I'm not entirely surprised.

The Truth of Viserys is absolutely terrifying when you have the context for his Deeds (we personally slew an Adult Dragon at what level?) and for his current stature in comparison to those deeds, so he's either that Powerful and is basically playing with his food or he's managed to get some pretty swanky rumors going, but that's all they are "rumors."

I'm fairly sure we could personally conquer Westerosi right now with nothing but massive Devil/Demon rituals being able to fend us off, so obviously Viserys couldn't possibly have any motivation to not instantly rule the entire continent. I mean, he's a Red Dragon/Targaryian right? Fire and Blood and all that murder right? He couldn't possibly be playing the long game or trying to spare as many lives as possible for his eventual return.

I'm quite curious about what knowledges are relevant to Viserys now and what the tiers of success would tell someone about him. Does Tywin understand what exactly a Red Dragon is, and what age categories represent? Does Jon Hawkman understand how we came about our current understanding of Lawful Neutral? Does the Citadel understand how closely tied magic actually is to who and what Viserys is? Does Doran quite understand how important the "smallfolk" are to Viserys's vision of the future? Does anyone have even an inkling of the consequences of being able to return Liches (let alone Dracoliches) back to life?

I wonder if the Seven know that if they backed down from their "All Magic Not From Us/Divines is Evil" stance and accepted the general spreading of weirwoods that we'd probably be willing to accept terms and regulate them to a position similar to early-mid Yss as a recognized power to be bargained with but in need of regulations and overwatch due to a lack of innate trust.

Being treated like a second tier divinity which may or may not be worth the effort by the multicontinent spanning Empire who constantly and regularly sacrifices to the Old Gods would probably work for the required Humbling in my opinion.

The best revenge is spitefully living well in full view of those who wronged you and who can't do anything to harm you again after all.
 
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Just finished rereading and i have to say..... We have done REALLY WELL.

The main thing I feel we lack is more PC that we can send on adventures and need to level up some of our lower level PC (including some of our teachers) to make them more useful.

I also kind of want to upgrade Velen and get him to evolve into a normal or even greater pheonix if only to increase his knowledge and thus his students power.

Edit: And my inner completionist is REEEing over the numbers for Dragon's Roost. It keeps going "Max them out, or at least get them all above 10".
 
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King Arthur said:
Further, we plan to take over Westeros, so if she swears to us then we are still allowing a Fey Realm to be carved in our realm in the exact same manner that you are saying Mace would be an idiot to do.
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Forgot to respond to this.

Mace is an idiot because it's implied that in the original arrangement Mace doesn't actually have this Fey Court sworn to him. He's being called the standard of all idiots because as far as we can tell, he is actually empowering either all Fey or a huge amount of Fey (especially Fey in what were previously his lands), granting this specific Court their own lands that aren't directly sworn to him, and probably some other benefits in exchange for [Something that definitely isn't this Court swearing loyalty and vassalage to him in a manner that is actually worth a damn].

In the hypothetical instance where we did sell this Court this Crown we would have a binding contract worth a damn as well as actually settle the Court in lands that wouldn't cause excessive complications.

I'm given to understand that the lands Mace would be giving/has given to the Fey are at best lands of lords who earned his disfavor and at worst were suggested by the Court itself and accepted with no other considerations. While redrawing the territories of Lordships is likely within the Lord Paramount's legal power, actively settling a whole new species of people is definitely something that the King should be involved in.

Right now the three plots I see here are:

"Mace Tyrell is selling Reach land in exchange for the Court's help to put himself on the Iron Throne."

"Robert/Hawkman/Tywin are selling Reach land in exchange for the Court's help in ousting demons/devils/dragons, Mace has been offered such and such to agree."

"Mace is selling Reach land to secure his position as Lord Paramount in this changing world because he's a fucking idiot and has no sense of scale."

My money's on "Random Deep One Plot", but my money's always on Random Deep One Plot.
 
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