Remember when people pointed out Xor's book would make it easier for the HD-bountiful outsiders to play human's like fiddles.

I feel this applies here.

If they want a king all they have to do is kneel.
 
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Because if NE culture is anything, it isn't reasonable.

There will be those pushing for a repeat of post-Warcraft 2 concentration camps, only for everyone in the Horde, and not for orcs only.
And Tyrande will very likely be among those very some people.

But, well, at least they aren't as fucked up as Lightforged and their Army of the Light (just look at alt. Draenor for their inevitable future) or the Void Elves (duh).

Oh wait. They entered the Alliance, didn't they?
Oh well, here goes all the reason :V
Eh Alt-Draenor just proves that the Draenei have a sense of vengeance, the Mag'Har were hardly innocent, just look at what they did as the Iron Horde, the Lightbound overreacted sure, but I doubt they would have forced the orcs to convert, if they didn't want to eliminate any chance of them going rampaging horde a second time.

And sure that's what Tyrande would prefer, but she would accept a peace, that just involved her getting the ten thousand most involved in Teldrassils burning, heads mounted on sticks.
 
[X] "There is more then one who could bear this crown."
Isn't that a little hostile? From all accounts they have interest in mortal world for most part just the Feywyld which we want nothing to do with.

If they can better interact with humans lots of complaints with them would be solved.
 
The moral of the story is that the Fey Lord is a fucking dumbass to lose his special crown to a muggle. Not because it was stolen, or lost in combat, but wagered in a game of wits...

He obviously isn't capable of protecting something so important.
 
I'd say they are probably level worthy right now.
Oh, neat. They both made it to level 7. :)

@Goldfish? I have no idea what they actually get at this stage other than poking around with skillpoints and maybe having a new spell loadout for Theon.

I also don't know what class features they get. Asha got a heavily modified class and so did Theon, neither of which I know the names of.
 
The moral of the story is that the Fey Lord is a fucking dumbass to lose his special crown to a muggle. Not because it was stolen, or lost in combat, but wagered in a game of wits...

He obviously isn't capable of protecting something so important.
It could be the Gardner did something witty that was totally foreign to the fey in general which is why he lost, like how immortals who never encounter it before don't understand mortality.

It doesn't make him stupid and I imagine the one that challenged him was hero tier.
 
[X] "There is more then one who could bear this crown."

And if you want us to end up bethrothed to a Fae Queen, this is no doubt the perfect way to make that happen.

This seems like something that we don't want to completely cut off at the knees, but equally not something that we're willing to just straight up give. Would it be possible to ask you to try and use this as a lever to get the Fae of the Reach to come to the bargaining table? To be clear, I'd rather not have them all go bugnuts insane down the line because of this refusal. If they want the crown, then they can pay us for it in fealty, but I don't think we should take the tack you're suggesting here. That's just likely to start a war.
 
It could be the Gardner did something witty that was totally foreign to the fey in general which is why he lost, like how immortals who never encounter it before don't understand mortality.

It doesn't make him stupid and I imagine the one that challenged him was hero tier.
That he was defeated doesn't make him stupid. That he wagered crown at all, that's what makes him an idiot unfit to wield such power.
 
That he was defeated doesn't make him stupid. That he wagered crown at all, that's what makes him an idiot unfit to wield such power.

Fae play games. It's their nature. It's what they are. Your line of logic here is similar to an Angel pointing how silly and unfit to rule themselves humans are because they need to breathe.
 
That he was defeated doesn't make him stupid. That he wagered crown at all, that's what makes him an idiot unfit to wield such power.
It's likely he didn't expect, as you put it, a muggle to be able to outwit him at all so placed what I admit was an overly prideful bet. However he is hardly the only super power being to do such a thing.

Besides, games and bets are Fey things.
 
Fae play games. It's their nature. It's what they are. Your line of logic here is similar to an Angel pointing how silly humans are because they need to breathe.
In this case it matters because this fae is explictly claiming the Lord's counsel would make them easier to deal with:
"Know that the Lord is mighty but it is not his might we seek, but his counsel," she replies. "If men find us strange and perilous in our needs then that is because we are half dreaming. If a lord reigned over us again beside the Queen then we would be easier to know to the mind of mortals, more rooted and solid in our dealings. Does that seem an ill thing to you, oh king crowned in flame?"
But the manner the Lord lost the crown shows him to be just as whimsical as any other fae, and therefore not at all adequate to do what we're being told he'd do. This tells us that what he'd actually do is something else, even if it can be worded the same way because fae are great at wordplay.
 
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It could be the Gardner did something witty that was totally foreign to the fey in general which is why he lost, like how immortals who never encounter it before don't understand mortality.

It doesn't make him stupid and I imagine the one that challenged him was hero tier.
What's stupid is that he bet something he couldn't afford to lose, but that's a common Fey stupidity, remember how Glyra got our first bag of holding.
 
Fae play games. It's their nature. It's what they are. Your line of logic here is similar to an Angel pointing how silly and unfit to rule themselves humans are because they need to breathe.
That in no way justifies him wagering his crown. It just makes it obvious that Fey rulers are hardwired to make terrible decisions and shouldn't be allowed to have such power.
 
I'm not unwilling to give it, but I feel like we need to ask for a few more reassurances or just ask a few more questions first. If we could get something out of this as well that would be ideal, even if it's just something like an agreement to a certain number of diplomatic talks with the Tyrell's/the Reach.
 
I'm very, very much against giving Fey any sort of power, let alone one that can empower them on a conceptual level.
We should put off giving them crown for long enough to cull all fey at Reach, if that what it takes.
:mob::mob::mob:

Wearing it ourselves isn't an answer either, but this vote at least goads her into either attacking or loosing facade of civility, which is both fine by me.
 
That in no way justifies him wagering his crown. It just makes it obvious that Fey rulers are hardwired to make terrible decisions and shouldn't be allowed to have such power.

Something you say having no knowledge of the stakes of the wager, what it might have won, and also speaking from a human point of view that is utterly incompatible with how the Fae exist. There's also the simple fact that they're not asking for it to crown him, they're asking for it to wake him because as a Court, they're lost. Letting them continue like this leads down the path to insanity. Bargaining their fealty in exchange for it, a word in perpetuity sworn for as long as we endure (Mythic means that we aren't going to have an end date to our lifespan) that they will respect the laws and customs of the kings of the land. This gives those of the Reach protection against the Fae now, and when we take over will carry through, and give us the Reach Fae on a silver platter. There's no need to court war here. Not when diplomacy can give us everything we want.

@Azel would the above be somewhat in line with what you want out of the Reach Court? Subservience to us and our bloodline? Or is there something else you want from them. I'm not seeing an easier way to get it than this.
 
Fae play games. It's their nature. It's what they are. Your line of logic here is similar to an Angel pointing how silly and unfit to rule themselves humans are because they need to breathe.
Fae play games, however what they wager is for them to decide, and he is 1 of the 3 big kings of the Faewild, he had plenty of other things to bet, the fact he choose his crown shows his arrogance.
 
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