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Not easily.
We can't question him while he's in amber and releasing him makes him a powerful undead mage again.
We'll have to be careful.
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We can't question him while he's in amber and releasing him makes him a powerful undead mage again.
We'll have to be careful.
Judging from the fact that he spoke of wearing other faces and the elaborate ritual Viserys theorizes that lichdom was more a stopgap solution between 'lives'.
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Interesting.
I wonder if this ritual could have restored him to life, or merely improved his general state.
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@Duesal we might have some different work to do than finding a regular Phylactery.
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That is super inconvenient.
I'm really not sure how to handle this now. My first urge is to promptly bottle poor Lady Bartaris as a safety measure, but I have no idea what's salvageable of the intrigue plan and how much we can risk here.
It probably wouldn't be her, unless she's also his descendant. But if this guy has been prolific that really could be a pain, with potentially dozens of grandchildren and great grandchildren being elegible.
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@DragonParadox Is he actually dead, though? Viserys' described him as withered and scarred, but still living.
He looked pretty dead. It's not 100% but if he were alive and looking like that than he really should not be able to stand up.
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Aren't we bringing back the Nagas this month? I thought the mechanic was one boon per sacrifice per month.
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Pretty amazing how the update manages to be worthy of such a title.
@DragonParadox would an Avoral trying to Dimension Door with the fly demon entitle it to another saving throw to resist the Freezing Glance, or would it not count as an attack?
How are we on spells?
Would a Bloodwish be enough to order all furies to teleport to Mereth?
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- It's a spell that allows a save so yes it would count as an attack.
- Well you used two blood wishes and froze the demon but otherwise the only slots you spent were on buffs.
- That would be the equivalent of 20-odd simultaneous sending spells so no, I could see three
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The paradoxical thing about Lichdom is that if you grow powerful enough as a mage to learn how to do it, you already know it is a shitty deal, as in, empirical evidence backing it up.
Hence every single sentient undead DP has written having either done it to A) Cheat death as a desperate measure of an old man who didn't have the time, resources or power to do it any other way (with constrains like the failing of magic involved, this likely means they had to either be in a state of complete torpor and preservation like the Dreamers of Essaria, or with no concern for lacking access to magic so long as they'd survive on what fuel they had until they got the magic back), or vengeful avengers risen to right a wrong done to them in life against the hapless descendants of their foes who don't even remember who the hell the monsters killing all their friends and family are anymore.
Hence every single sentient undead DP has written having either done it to A) Cheat death as a desperate measure of an old man who didn't have the time, resources or power to do it any other way (with constrains like the failing of magic involved, this likely means they had to either be in a state of complete torpor and preservation like the Dreamers of Essaria, or with no concern for lacking access to magic so long as they'd survive on what fuel they had until they got the magic back), or vengeful avengers risen to right a wrong done to them in life against the hapless descendants of their foes who don't even remember who the hell the monsters killing all their friends and family are anymore.
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There can also be the kind that is theoretically most common for Liches: People so obsessed with something that they think the low quality of life doesn't matter to them.
Usually knowledge or power or something in that direction.
Those guys propably take a while to notice how little value that has without other pleasures in life.
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I doubt there was a large degree of choice in the matter.
Unfortunately lichdom deadens sensation. Not much point in extreme sports if you can't feel.
Actually feeding him to the Old Gods may be a mistake.
This is a too cunning foe, and after the Old Gods were done with him, there would be something left.
Feeding him to Yss, on the other hand, should ensure utter destruction.
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[X] Store the new Amber coated Lich in our cloak, command the Avoral to Dimension Door to the surface in order to aid the Erinyes in battling Demons, then Teleport back to the Demon we captured with Freezing Glance. Bottle it with Smoky Confinement, drink a potion of Lesser Restoration if we still have any, then join the others on the surface to finish off any remaining enemies.
-[X] Attempt to capture the Demons if doing so doesn't further endanger ourselves, the Erinyes, or those we are attempting to protect.
-[X] After the battle is done, retrieve Tyene and whichever Companions are available to further Explore this underground space.
-[X] Attempt to capture the Demons if doing so doesn't further endanger ourselves, the Erinyes, or those we are attempting to protect.
-[X] After the battle is done, retrieve Tyene and whichever Companions are available to further Explore this underground space.
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A very quick look around to see if this is worth coming back to for loot, maybe?
There could be ritual anchor for our little pride-issue.
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The big disconnect is the timescale focus I believe.
You're looking further ahead for when we've already established ourselves, confirmed our loot, and consolidated our gains.
The arguing side is focused on the current path to said consolidation.
Right now we and our party are basically the baddest dudes on the block, but even when we hit Epic Levels we won't be absolutely unbeatable. Mammon's Folly happened because a lower level adventuring party was able to swing way above their weight class, so even with intelligent play it isn't impossible for us to get side blinded by our own arrogance.
You're saying that magic is what is going to be that threat, but there still needs to be a motive for anyone to take that shot at us. Symbols provide a sense of legitimacy to causes, and with enough legitimacy even an otherwise fine Lawful Good can give consideration to those causes.
Like, an outside look in would amount to "The Big Bad Evil Red Dragon Emperor conquered our Kingdom long long ago, and we chaff and suffer underneath his rule. A True King will grant us Peace and Prosperity, but first we must slay this Evil Dragon." Nevermind the bullshit being spewed, but that is such a generic heroic plot that I barely had any effort to translate it.
In my opinion, it's not "what vassal will be stupid enough to rebel?" but "what conman will be ambitious enough or hold enough of a grudge to shape an adventuring party to try to assassinate us?"
And even if it's just an entirely mundane rebellion where a good portion of the Reach rallies behind this symbol, what are we going to do with the rebels after the fact? We can't just leave them off with a warning (until we have sufficient infosec and leverage to make such a move saying "That was funny kids, now go back to paying me taxes now" and just style over them) which likely means actually treating it as treason, which means death or the Black. And both of those options mean that people aren't being productive for us anymore.
Maybe if the way they do it is to cause a massive Feywild incursion, we'd then just Mark of Justice them all and set them up as a new Wall equivalent to clean up the mess they made?
I've wandered from the point. Basically, until we devalue the symbology of crowns to the point where "One Crown and One Dragon Emperor Crown Alone Matters" is in effect, the symbol of a (probably artifact) Crown is enough of a risk that allowing crowns on anyone but us will almost certainly make more work for us, and we've already got enough on our plate as it is.