We are a Dragon. So enough fire can solve anything. :p

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[X] Try to find the ghost again

Let's find out what caused the disappearance.
 
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[X] Start erasing the signs in the guestrooms.

I guess that will be likely to bring out the cause of these issues, or interrupt whatever magic is worked here if he doesn't show up.
 
[X] Start erasing the signs in the guestrooms.

I guess that will be likely to bring out the cause of these issues, or interrupt whatever magic is worked here if he doesn't show up.
That seems more like overturning the board rather than winning the game.

[X] Approach the Lady of the House to find what she knows
 
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Let's not throw things out of whack before we've collected all the information, given we still have time to do so.
 
There are so many ways I can see for a life extension ritual, or life stealing ritual more likely, to play out with what we've seen so far. At least that's my current theory.

And to muddy the waters, I don't think that plot is necessarily linked to us or the particular people who have been invited to the manse.

Of course I'm somewhat sleep-deprived at the moment, so I might be missing something really obvious.
 
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I think you guys may be talking past each other to a point. What @Azel is arguing for I think is judging people on actions not thoughts because making 'thought-crimes' real is not getting on the slippery slope it's sliding merrily down it
That's one part. The other is that he argues there is no objective morality, it's always a subjective judgement based on a set of (personalized) values. That make unthinking good/bad labeling so dangerous.
 
If this ghost died within the time we can revive with a normal resurrection, then I think we should consider reviving him, he was apparently knowledgeable about how to do magic when it was weakest, that should translate to having a decent amount of levels now it's strong again.
 
Not really.

More like forcing the other player to show himself or loose.
And then get socked in the face either way.
Not very sportsmanlike, but better than people getting killed like the rogue Red Priest?

I don't particularly mind if they get killed. They're being sane and trying to stop their fellow citizens from being morons and openly waging war against us. Admirable, but inconvenient. Things go a lot smoother for us with them out of the picture.
 
I don't particularly mind if they get killed. They're being sane and trying to stop their fellow citizens from being morons and openly waging war against us. Admirable, but inconvenient. Things go a lot smoother for us with them out of the picture.
On the other hand they seem sane enough to accept us as ruler.
 
How much y'all want to bet that the crazy old lady is the bad guy here? She's starting to come apart at the seams because the previous ritual has expired and she needs to renew it before she ages away to dust?
 
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Also really? More Paladin shoehorning? Really what's with this obsession among hardcore dnd players to make the class that forbits evil acts sound as snidely whiplash making out with Polpot evil as possible.
No, we treat them. And if it's not brain damage or trauma or manageable kinks. Kinda yeah. What? Are YOU fine with adding the P to make LGBTP?

Some people and things really should be shunned. For everyone's sake including theirs.
Alright. So a Paladin should go through a maternity ward and Detect Evil the babes there. If one detects as Evil, get a Cleric to cast Heal and Regenerate at it, then detect again to see if it's fixed.

If not? Bash it's skull in for the sake of society.

This is the ultimate conclusion of your logic.

And the worst part? D&D agress. The rulebook says: "Killing an Evil creature is never a Evil act." The Paladin would not fall for this.

Any sane DM will make him fall for it, because holy shit, he is walking around and literally killing babies.

But this implies that it can be wrong to kill an Evil creature. The alignment system has therefore failed and should not be used to make moral judgements.
 
Alright. So a Paladin should go through a maternity ward and Detect Evil the babes there. If one detects as Evil, get a Cleric to cast Heal and Regenerate at it, then detect again to see if it's fixed.

If not? Bash it's skull in for the sake of society.

This is the ultimate conclusion of your logic.

And the worst part? D&D agress. The rulebook says: "Killing an Evil creature is never a Evil act." The Paladin would not fall for this.

Any sane DM will make him fall for it, because holy shit, he is walking around and literally killing babies.

But this implies that it can be wrong to kill an Evil creature. The alignment system has therefore failed and should not be used to make moral judgements.
Yeah that's pretty stupid, but it's not stupid to cast detect evil on all the babies, because any baby that register as evil, clearly have some kind of mental illness, and the earlier treatment can begin the better.
 
Yeah that's pretty stupid, but it's not stupid to cast detect evil on all the babies, because any baby that register as evil, clearly have some kind of mental illness, and the earlier treatment can begin the better.

His point was about the system being a bad way to model morality. If I were to try some way to make it at least half-way sensible I would say that no baby can register as evil (or good) because they have no capacity for moral or immoral action. However the very fact that I as a GM I would have to house-rule that is is proof that the system is broken.
 
Alright. So a Paladin should go through a maternity ward and Detect Evil the babes there. If one detects as Evil, get a Cleric to cast Heal and Regenerate at it, then detect again to see if it's fixed.

If not? Bash it's skull in for the sake of society.

This is the ultimate conclusion of your logic.

And the worst part? D&D agress. The rulebook says: "Killing an Evil creature is never a Evil act." The Paladin would not fall for this.

Any sane DM will make him fall for it, because holy shit, he is walking around and literally killing babies.

But this implies that it can be wrong to kill an Evil creature. The alignment system has therefore failed and should not be used to make moral judgements.
In a way, that implies God is Evil for imposing his own morals unto the universe he created in such a pervasive way.
 
His point was about the system being a bad way to model morality. If I were to try some way to make it at least half-way sensible I would say that no baby can register as evil (or good) because they have no capacity for moral or immoral action. However the very fact that I as a GM I would have to house-rule that is is proof that the system is broken.
Wait hold on isnt that the standard already? Doenst it make sense that you've gotta be actually bad to count as evil? If a baby shows up as evil either you've got some Isekai nonsense going on or somebody is using obscure alignment.

Nobody's first response is gonna be pulp the baby. Especially not someone whose dedicated their whole life to the protecting the innocent and bringing the guilty to justice and all that.

That's my point actually Azel you've taken the Paladin and Alignment things to fever pitches extremes and labelled them your opinion of the standard for how that would go. That's a heck of a lot more biased than what you are implying the alignment system causes.

Plus in a sensible dnd setting if a baby starts giving out evils auras you call the exorcist! But weve erased evil and good auras all together because apparently that's stereotyping.

What I'm asking is how come there is apparently no middle ground between "judging peoples morality at all is just peoples biases. There is no actual Good or Evil" and "Oh! So you are fine with Paladins pulling babies!"
 
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