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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Artemis1992 said:
Reasons why Dispater must die anyway:
1. Aspect of Dispater

Rust (Su) If Dispater succeeds on a touch attack, his touch causes the target metal to corrode, falling to pieces and becoming useless immediately. His touch can destroy a 10-foot cube of metal instantly. Magic armor, weapons, and other magic items made of metal must succeed on a DC 36 Reflex save or be dissolved. The save DC is Constitution-based.
A metal weapon that deals damage to Dispater corrodes immediately unless its bearer succeeds on a DC 36 Reflex save. Wooden, stone, and other nonmetallic weapons are unaffected. Dispater can suppress or resume his rusting touch ability as a free action. The save DC is Constitution-based.

I think I have made my case.
You may hear screaming magpies in the backround.
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Trust me, if you ever had the dubious honour of attending a feast in his iron penis replacement, you would consider that the least of his failings.
 
Duesal said:
Why should it be a disaster? We had valid reasons for not making our move before (mainly devils' frustrating competence and our own lack of Mind Blank), and we put in divination precautions to make sure that we'd have ample time to respond and if it became clear the wildfire was about to blow. Now that we actually have a plan of action and are committed to doing it I really don't see this becoming a disaster.
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Well the first part is that that is a lie. He also has detect lies. This was a naked political move and if he finds out about it he is going to be super pissed. But vanishingly few people care about the consequences of that so I will move on.

We engaged in counter espionage, not risk mitigation. Basically, given the sheer amount of resources we can bring to bear when we feel like it we have left the actual people of KL out to dry.

If the wildfire goes off they are all still going to die, and he will be vanishingly unlikely to want to poke it. Even with a very long magic stick, until their safety is assured. Or at least more assured.

Basically we have a team of fire fighters on hand in case things go tits up in spite of our best efforts.
 
Azel said:
Trust me, if you ever had the dubious honour of attending a feast in his iron penis replacement, you would consider that the least of his failings.
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I was confused for a moment, if his Iron Rod also has a Magnificent Mansion effect.
But then I remembered he also lives in an Iron Tower.
Guarded by Iron Golems.

He propably has something to compensate for.
 
So, what do we go with?

I'm thinking something along the lines of "Every mage here is a conjurer of at least the sixth circle, and we've captured three efreeti turtle ships but a few minutes ago. What about you?"
 
zxzx24 said:
Well the first part is that that is a lie. He also has detect lies. This was a naked political move and if he finds out about it he is going to be super pissed. But vanishingly few people care about the consequences of that so I will move on.

We engaged in counter espionage, not risk mitigation. Basically, given the sheer amount of resources we can bring to bear when we feel like it we have left the actual people of KL out to dry.

If the wildfire goes off they are all still going to die, and he will be vanishingly unlikely to want to poke it. Even with a very long magic stick, until their safety is assured. Or at least more assured.

Basically we have a team of fire fighters on hand in case things go tits up in spite of our best efforts.
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I had a lot to say to this, but to cut things short I disagree strongly and just don't see a point in arguing about it.
DragonParadox said:
You would have to ask IC.
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Alright, I'd love to have a business relationship with her. With luck she'll have a couple of niche spells.
 
egoo said:
Are we?
For I sort of assumed that strategic benefits it would impose on the entirety of Sorcerer's Deep/Stepstones are far too large to ignore and are best applied sooner rather than later.

Though I kind of wonder if Hallow effect will extend as well.
Would sure be damn awesome.

But I concede.
It is quite apparent not much exciting is going to happen any time soon :/
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The effects of the tree are bound to the Hallow. Same distance.
 
Duesal said:
I had a lot to say to this, but to cut things short I disagree strongly and just don't see a point in arguing about it.
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I brought it up because I wanted to hear your opinion/plan.

If you have something to assuage my concern, or negate them outright please do.

I will admit I did come off more than a little passive agressive on the first part, but I have been angry about this for over 7000 pages. I'm trying to clamp down on that and be productive instead.
 
zxzx24 said:
Well the first part is that that is a lie. He also has detect lies. This was a naked political move and if he finds out about it he is going to be super pissed. But vanishingly few people care about the consequences of that so I will move on.

We engaged in counter espionage, not risk mitigation. Basically, given the sheer amount of resources we can bring to bear when we feel like it we have left the actual people of KL out to dry.

If the wildfire goes off they are all still going to die, and he will be vanishingly unlikely to want to poke it. Even with a very long magic stick, until their safety is assured. Or at least more assured.

Basically we have a team of fire fighters on hand in case things go tits up in spite of our best efforts.
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Go ahead and show that to be the case with your full access to Viserys' inner thoughts, considerations and all past actions (the thread) and if you're successful I might start worrying about Yrael having a justified negative reaction.
 
To get the ball rolling:

[x] Excepting Waymar, for his talents obviously lie in another direction, the least spellcaster among us is of the sixth circle.
-[x] As for where I was, why, I've just finished transporting three captured Efreeti Turtle Ships back to my realm not a few moments ago. They were a decent bit of sport, so I assume that's enough?
--[x] Point out the divine casters on the group.
-[x] If you wish to know more, perhaps you should lean on any contacts you have on Armun Kelisk or the Opaline Vault.
-[x] Ask about her skills, and the crew's.
--[x] If they expect half the spoils, they better pull half of the weight.
-[x] Ask if they have more information on the target, or an actual plan.

Thoughts?
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
To get the ball rolling:

[x] Excepting Waymar, for his talents obviously lie in another direction, the least spellcaster among us is of the sixth circle.
-[x] As for where I was, why, I've just finished transporting three captured Efreeti Turtle Ships back to my realm not a few moments ago. They were a decent bit of sport, so I assume that's enough?
--[x] Give a short summary of your group's abilities in general, just enough to be useful for planning.
-[x] If you wish to know more, perhaps you should lean on any contacts you have on Armun Kelisk or the Opaline Vault.
-[x] Ask about her skills, and the crew's.
-[x] Ask if they have more information on the target, or an actual plan.
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There's a very good chance DP will be more revealing than you anticipate with something so vaguely worded, best to leave it out.
6th Circle is more than enough information.
 
zxzx24 said:
I brought it up because I wanted to hear your opinion/plan.

If you have something to assuage my concern, or negate them outright please do.

I will admit I did come off more than a little passive agressive on the first part, but I have been angry about this for over 7000 pages. I'm trying to clamp down on that and be productive instead.
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Alright then.

First off:
zxzx24 said:
Well the first part is that that is a lie. He also has detect lies. This was a naked political move and if he finds out about it he is going to be super pissed. But vanishingly few people care about the consequences of that so I will move on.
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No, it wasn't a lie. There was genuine worry that the second we step foot in King's Landing our various enemies (mainly devils) would potentially set off the wildfire. Literally the exact turn when we got the Mind Blank items and got the ability to no-sell divinations, we set aside time to deal with the wildfire, so I don't see how you can call it a "nakedly political move".

This part in particular pissed me off because it pretty much just spat all over our reasoning on why we didn't get this done earlier. We don't like disasters hanging over our heads, and the second we get the resources to fix them we tend to do so. We did it when we got the sacrifices to take care of the Lich and the Landwarden in Lys, and we're doing it again now that we have the Mind Blank items for King's Landing.

zxzx24 said:
We engaged in counter espionage, not risk mitigation. Basically, given the sheer amount of resources we can bring to bear when we feel like it we have left the actual people of KL out to dry.
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Yes, if we utterly drained our coffers we might have been able to get Mind Blank items, but it's not just King's Landing that we have a responsibility towards. With that money gone at an earlier time (namely before we conquered Tyrosh, and even for a few months after when we had to get everything up and running again), our kingdom would have basically fallen to pieces with the severe lack of funds, which was unacceptable.

You've been one of the people championing the fact that Yrael isn't stupid good, so I don't see why you don't think he wouldn't grudgingly understand why we didn't murder our treasury to get this done earlier. He's even had almost a year now to understand all the burdens of being a ruler, so he should be keenly aware of why we couldn't just toss around funds like that.

zxzx24 said:
If the wildfire goes off they are all still going to die, and he will be vanishingly unlikely to want to poke it. Even with a very long magic stick, until their safety is assured. Or at least more assured.

Basically we have a team of fire fighters on hand in case things go tits up in spite of our best efforts.
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Us doing a crap ton of divinations beforehand was a given. We don't want to kill any of the Archons, and we don't want King's Landing to explode.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Should we point out the divine casters at least?
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I think that's reasonable.

I still don't trust this group, 50/50 was the deal do they better do at least 50% of the work because obviously there's something in their 50 that they want more than anything else.

I don't believe they will, they will try to get us to tank the brunt of the immediate danger and long term enmity as the obvious focal point being a Dragon and all.

So we need to be careful and fuck pride or rule of cool for this event, let them have the "glory".

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And to be clear we're in the middle of nowhere raiding a secret transport. If we ever need the reputation of taking this thing down, say confronting Dis, we can just rattle off some details we couldn't know unless we were involved and hey presto instant reputation, the impact is greater because it's a fresh revelation and we can play it off like we were the unseen puppet master if necessary. There is no downside to letting them lead the charge.
 
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