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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
He's the Mirror Mephit we freed from captivity after ganking Damphair and taking Torturer's Deep for our own. He granted us a boon, which we used to have him create the Mirror Portal that we used to access the Plane of Molten Skies before any of party members had the juice to cast Plane Shift. It was a pretty pivotal moment in our adventuring careers, taking that first step beyond the Prime Material out into the Planes.
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Ah ok I remember now, it's been a while since I've done a full reread. Thanks!
 
Duesal said:
[X] Goldfish

@DragonParadox, can we get a Mirrorway to Avernus?
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Gateways with severely limited availability time aren't worth much, IMO. We have several people capable of Plane Shifting now.

The mirror portal we have to MS is probably worth more to the Shaitan rather than simply having it repurposed.
 
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It's vacation nap time again.

Hibernation mode activated.

Wake me when there's an update.
 
Goldfish said:
Gateways with severely limited availability time aren't worth much, IMO. We have several people capable of Plane Shifting now.

The mirror portal we have to MS is probably worth more to the Shaitan rather than simply having it repurposed.
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I'd rather repurpose those Planar Scarabs to build our own gateways
 
Goldfish said:
Gateways with severely limited availability time aren't worth much, IMO. We have several people capable of Plane Shifting now.

The mirror portal we have to MS is probably worth more to the Shaitan rather than simply having it repurposed.
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I don't want to repurpose our current Mirrorway, I want that sold.

What I'm asking about is getting a completely new Mirrorway.
 
Goldfish said:
--[X] If these practices are unacceptable to the Moonsinger and the tenets of her faith, then we will politely take our leave after thinking them for meeting with us so quickly.
---[X] We would also be most unappreciative if they falsely claimed acceptance, only to later, after becoming establishing Sorcerer's Deep, attempt to change or interfere with such practices.
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I feel like I am both not entirely sure of what your saying, and that I may not be explaining myself as well as I can. So if I fall into the pit of incorrectness please feel free to point and laugh.

Frankly. The above lines are unnecessary, and more than a little rude.

First of all. I know your all passionate about this, but "unacceptable behaviors" is not how successful (like this one) religions operate. I can also tell you now. No, nothing were doing at the moment is 'unacceptable' (except for leaving that wildfire hanging over kings landing). Tolerance is coded into chaotic good behavior. And since I know your going to go to this immediately shit on Chaotic Good. Chaotic Good respects interpersonal authority and interaction. Thats why she sent her Herald. She does not want to get a feel for out legal system. She wants to get a feel for us as a person. What she thinks and feels about our society will grow from there.

Next up. They are going to try and change the way people think in SD. That is what we are bringing them there for. Your sacred cows are not above being challenged. Dont accuse people of being insane religious zealots before they even start arguing with you.

Anyway. Other than those last two lines. Which arent even that big a deal. It looks perfect.
[X] Goldfish

Edit: Goldfish is taking a nap. So all that was so much pissing in the wind then. Hrm.
 
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Azel said:
I've honestly expected something happening in that regard by now. Leaving us free reign to, let's be realistic here, bribe the Night's Watch openly and cashing in goodwill in the North by doing so is... kinda retarded? It's not like we made any attempt to hide our activities at the Wall. Shouldn't they do something to not look as if the south is unable to give a single fuck about the North?
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Out of date, but one word. Cersei.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by DragonParadox on Jul 4, 2018 at 2:40 PM, finished with 202935 posts and 3 votes.
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    -[X] Viserys nods in response, a rueful smile upon his face. "Indeed, the Plane of Molten Skies is no place for the unprepared or weak of heart, and not merely due to the fiery climate. It was a fell place, and one that could have claimed the lives of myself and my Companions many times over, but it also served its purpose, and as a result we have grown stronger and made valuable contacts with friendlier sorts of beings out among the Planes."
    --[X] "You have my thanks for that introduction to realms beyond the boundaries of mortal existence, perilous though the lesson proved to be. It is good to see you back among those loyal to your goddess."
    -[X] After greetings have been exchanged between our small party and the Moonsingers, explain the reason for our visit.
    --[X] We are always interested in introducing benevolent or even neutral deities to our lands. If the Moonsinger is willing, we will set aside a parcel of land in Sorcerer's Deep for a temple to be built in her name, with material support and magical aide provided by the state.
    --[X] We wish to learn what would be required to gain the services of a Watcher spirit for those cities under our purview. They can rest assured that we would not use the Watchers for nefarious purposes, merely to facilitate rapid communication and perhaps to allow those who cannot be present to enjoy various sorts of entertainment, limited of course by the Watcher's inability to share sounds.
    -[X] Although we would like to establish closer ties to the Moonsinger, we would understand if our own laws and practices would make this impossible.
    --[X] Explain the laws of our kingdom, including the use of blood sacrifice against enemies of humanity, both to gain power to strengthen ourselves and our realm, and to permanently diminish the forces of our enemies, who in some cases cannot otherwise be permanently destroyed.
    --[X] If these practices are unacceptable to the Moonsinger and the tenets of her faith, then we will politely take our leave after thinking them for meeting with us so quickly.
    ---[X] We would also be most unappreciative if they falsely claimed acceptance, only to later, after becoming establishing Sorcerer's Deep, attempt to change or interfere with such practices.
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zxzx24 said:
I feel like I am both not entirely sure of what your saying, and that I may not be explaining myself as well as I can. So if I fall into the pit of incorrectness please feel free to point and laugh.

Frankly. The above lines are unnecessary, and more than a little rude.

First of all. I know your all passionate about this, but "unacceptable behaviors" is not how successful (like this one) religions operate. I can also tell you now. No, nothing were doing at the moment is 'unacceptable' (except for leaving that wildfire hanging over kings landing). Tolerance is coded into chaotic good behavior. And since I know your going to go to this immediately shit on Chaotic Good. Chaotic Good respects interpersonal authority and interaction. Thats why she sent her Herald. She does not want to get a feel for out legal system. She wants to get a feel for us as a person. What she thinks and feels about our society will grow from there.

Next up. They are going to try and change the way people think in SD. That is what we are bringing them there for. Your sacred cows are not above being challenged. Dont accuse people of being insane religious zealots before they even start arguing with you.

Anyway. Other than those last two lines. Which arent even that big a deal. It looks perfect.
[X] Goldfish

Edit: Goldfish is taking a nap. So all that was so much pissing in the wind then. Hrm.
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Those last two lines were already part of the last vote. Without them, we wouldn't even be here.

They are going to accept our practices or they can stay the hell in Braavos. I have zero interest to introduce divisions into our realm for no tangible benefit.
 
zxzx24 said:
First of all. I know your all passionate about this, but "unacceptable behaviors" is not how successful (like this one) religions operate. I can also tell you now. No, nothing were doing at the moment is 'unacceptable' (except for leaving that wildfire hanging over kings landing). Tolerance is coded into chaotic good behavior. And since I know your going to go to this immediately shit on Chaotic Good. Chaotic Good respects interpersonal authority and interaction. Thats why she sent her Herald. She does not want to get a feel for out legal system. She wants to get a feel for us as a person.

Next up. They are going to try and change the way people think in SD. That is what we are bringing them there for. Your sacred cows are not above being challenged. Dont accuse people of being insane religious zealots before they even start arguing with you.
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It's fair warning. They'd better not try to sway the public against our blood sacrifice policies. That is our sticking point and we're not going to sponsor them if they don't bend on it. Doesn't matter what alignment, doesn't matter what goals they have, if they incite the public against blood sacrifice then they're out.
 
Duesal said:
It's fair warning. They'd better not try to sway the public against our blood sacrifice policies. That is our sticking point and we're not going to sponsor them if they don't bend on it. Doesn't matter what alignment, doesn't matter what goals they have, if they incite the public against blood sacrifice then they're out.
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The three no-gos:
- inciting division and emnity among the population
- challenging our authority
- agitating against our laws, the state itself or its actions

These things are valid reasons for the Inquisition to remove you from the realm. I don't care if it's Asmodeus or Bahamuth who breaks these rules. No leniency. No three-strikes. No wiggle room. Do one of those things and you are out.

We got even Burnys guys to agree to this. If a CG goddess can't accept these terms, then good riddance.
 
Azel said:
Those last two lines were already part of the last vote. Without them, we wouldn't even be here.

They are going to accept our practices or they can stay the hell in Braavos. I have zero interest to introduce divisions into our realm for no tangible benefit.
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Duesal said:
It's fair warning. They'd better not try to sway the public against our blood sacrifice policies. That is our sticking point and we're not going to sponsor them if they don't bend on it. Doesn't matter what alignment, doesn't matter what goals they have, if they incite the public against blood sacrifice then they're out.
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O.k. Nobody is going to be starting any riots.

Listen. I know you how hard you guys fought for the blood sacrifice thing. Which is a lot. I have been in this thread for almost as long as you two have, if much much less active. You guys earned it.

You have won. Blood magic is both common and accepted in SD. As well as our constituent states. All of our party members and Viserys himself also accept blood sacrifice wholeheartedly. The thread is cool with it, because you made a list of acceptable targets and stuck to it.

But treating it like its unquestionable is just going to drive the people who do resent it underground and breed more resentment. You put a lot of work into justifying and explaining it already. Make use of that.

She sent her herald because she wants to hear what you have to say. She probably also wants to challenge you on it. Intellectually I mean.

How you react to being challenged is just as much a measure of your character as how well you overcome said challenge.

I am not saying dont defend blood sacrifice. I am not saying it is bad and we should feel bad. I am not saying that this divine herald is inherently correct and we should kow tow to it.

I am trying to say that if your willing to walk away from the table for this belief, you should be willing to fight for it.

Also expect this thing to be deliberately grating. Because it enjoys messing with people. Also as a test.
 
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Azel said:
The three no-gos:
- inciting division and emnity among the population
- challenging our authority
- agitating against our laws, the state itself or its actions

These things are valid reasons for the Inquisition to remove you from the realm. I don't care if it's Asmodeus or Bahamuth who breaks these rules. No leniency. No three-strikes. No wiggle room. Do one of those things and you are out.

We got even Burnys guys to agree to this. If a CG goddess can't accept these terms, then good riddance.
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I feel like I vastly misunderstood the point you are trying to make. Burny is actively change how people think and act. How is that not inciting division among the populace and agitating?

Isn't that just what religion does?
 
Tomcost said:
It is efficient from the sacrificer's point of view, but not from the Other's point of view.

That the Old Gods value Undead HD more than normal HD doesn't mean that there is inherently more power in it, just that they have a hate-boner for it and they will reward you more for disposing of their hated enemies.

The sacrificer's reward is the God's price. The higher the reward, the less power the God gets.
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I don't think that's the case, otherwise the old gods would allow for the growing of Weirwood with sufficient animal sacrifice, after all they want all the Weirwood they can get, so I would guess that the modifiers are based on how much power they get from the sacrifice, it do make sense that the more a sacrifice oppose their tenants the more power they get, after all it's all metaphysical bullshit, so the modifiers being what makes their digestion more efficient makes sense.
 
tarrangar said:
I don't think that's the case, otherwise the old gods would allow for the growing of Weirwood with sufficient animal sacrifice, after all they want all the Weirwood they can get, so I would guess that the modifiers are based on how much power they get from the sacrifice, it do make sense that the more a sacrifice oppose their tenants the more power they get, after all it's all metaphysical bullshit, so the modifiers being what makes their digestion more efficient makes sense.
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I'm pretty sure animal sacrifice doesn't actually give them any power because animals are not sapient.

A sacrifice has to be sapient, otherwise everyone would just farm animals or dumb undead for sacrifice fodder and get massive power ups.
 
@DragonParadox, here's Alysande's sheet spruced up a bit with proper color-coding. Would you mind giving us the Spell Save and Weapon Proficiency? I'm assuming she trained herself to use a Bravo's rapier?

Name: Alysande Redsail
Alias: Silverblood, Kelpie-Breaker
Age: 24
Alignment: True Neutral
Race: Human
Level: 8
Class: Wizard 3/Agent of the Silver Eye 5
Feats: Scribe Scroll, Able Learner, Spell-Casting Prodigy, Live My Nightmare, Ineluctable Echo
Skill Tricks: Swift Concentration
Class Features: Argent Gaze (Level 4); Shadow of Faerie (Necromancy); Lore of the Secret City (1/day)

HP: 31
AC: 10 +2 (Dex) +4 (Shield) = 16
Initiative: +2 (Dex)
Attack: 3( BaB) -1 (STR) +2 (Enchantment) = +4 (1d6-1)
Spell Save:
Weapon Proficiency:
Immunities: Possession/Mental Control
SR 20 vs Necromancy


STATS:
9 (-1) Strength
13 +1 =14 (+2) Dexterity
12 (+1) Constitution
12 (+1) Charisma
17 +3 = 20 (+5) Intelligence
15 (+2) Wisdom


SAVES:
FORTITUDE: 2 +1 +2 = 3/5
REFLEX: 5 +2 +2 = 7/9
WILL: 7 + 2 +2 = 9/11

SKILLS
Concentration: 11+1 = 12
Knowledge (Arcana): 11 +5 = 16
Spellcraft: 11 +5 = 16
Decipher Script: 11 +5 = 16
Disable Device: 3+5 = 8
Diplomacy: 8 +1 = 9
Disguise: 9 +1 = 10
Gather Information: 11 +1 = 12
Bluff: 11 +1 = 12
Sense Motive: 11 +2 = 13
Spot: 11 +2 = 13

Spells Known(Caster Level 8):
Level 0: Acid Splash, Arcane Mark, Dancing Lights, Detect Magic, Disrupt Undead, Flare, Ghost Sound, Light, Mage Hand, Mending, Message, Open/Close, Prestidigitation, Resistance, Touch of Fatigue
Level 1: Charm Person, Erase, Grease, Obscuring Mist, True Strike, Alarm, Cheat, Detect Undead, Hail of Stone, Shield
Level 2: Detect Thoughts, Invisibility, Knock, Mirror Image, Fox's Cunning, Scorching Ray, Web, Rebuke, Sun Bolt
Level 3: Hold Person, Magic Circle Against Evil, Slow, Tongues, Blink, Dispel Magic, Great Thunderclap, Alter Fortune, Fireball
Level 4: Black Tentacles, Fear, Resilient Sphere

Spells Prepared (Caster Level 8):
Level 0(4/day): Arcane Mark, Detect Magic, Disrupt Undead, Prestidigitation
Level 1(5/day): True Strike, Shield, Hail of Stone x2, Charm Person
Level 2(4/day): Detect Thoughts, Invisibility, Mirror Image, Stun Bolt
Level 3(4/day): Blink, Dispel Magic, Great Thunderclap, Alter Fortune,
Level 4(3/day): Black Tentacles, Fear, Resilient Sphere

Equipped Magic Items: Lens of Magecraft (Bound), Greater Ribbon of Disguise, Gloves of Zephyr's Grace +1, Circlet of Clarity +3, Amulet of Protection from Evil, Silph's Blade, Trickster's Gambit

Magic Item Descriptions:

Silph's Blade

Description: This delicate-seeming sword seems forged of mist and moonlight, appearing to vanish like a mirage when looked at from the from the right angle, or perhaps better to say the wrong one. Many have spilled their life's blood upon it after its bearer danced out of the way of seemingly inevitable attacks.

Ability: +2 weapon, Grants the wielder Evasion and one more attack when full attacking (not cumulative with Haste)

Trickster's Gambit

Description: One can only faintly see leering jester's faces upon the band of this tarnished brass ring, and even the canniest mage might miss the glitter of sorcery upon it, for it was forged long ago to confound the arrogance of mages

Ability: As Runestaff. Can cast Spell Immunity and Greater Spell Immunity (Self Only)

EDIT: What the hell? She has shield but not Mage Armor? Shield lasts her 8 minutes. Mage Armor would last 8 hours.
 
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zxzx24 said:
O.k. Nobody is going to be starting any riots.

Listen. I know you how hard you guys fought for the blood sacrifice thing. Which is a lot. I have been in this thread for almost as long as you two have, if much much less active. You guys earned it.

You have won. Blood magic is both common and accepted in SD. As well as our constituent states. All of our party members and Viserys himself also accept blood sacrifice wholeheartedly. The thread is cool with it, because you made a list of acceptable targets and stuck to it.

But treating it like its unquestionable is just going to drive the people who do resent it underground and breed more resentment. You put a lot of work into justifying and explaining it already. Make use of that.

She sent her herald because she wants to hear what you have to say. She probably also wants to challenge you on it. Intellectually I mean.

How you react to being challenged is just as much a measure of your character as how well you overcome said challenge.

I am not saying dont defend blood sacrifice. I am not saying it is bad and we should feel bad. I am not saying that this divine herald is inherently correct and we should kow tow to it.

I am trying to say that if your willing to walk away from the table for this belief, you should be willing to fight for it.

Also expect this thing to be deliberately grating. Because it enjoys messing with people. Also as a test.
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I think the point here is that we are in a position where we don't need to be challenged on this issue. What we want is not actually necessary or essential, so there is really no reason for us to explain anything to them. If they are willing to accept our conditions then they can become a valued part of the pantheon of SD, if not then we leave as friends rather than becoming enemies later on. In other words, what we can stand to gain from the Moonsingers isnt worth bringing up the idea of compromising on sacrifices.

It could be argued that a large part of our empire was built around the concept of sacrifice (the various trees, Yss and our early success with trade...etc) and to many of the players in this quest any restrictions on this issue this simply isn't on the table. Especially not for what they are offering, but hey if they had another alternative to get our trees or boons of equal power without sacrifices then I'm all for it.

From an out of character perspective, I don't care to get 3 updates of back and forth between us and the herald on our policies on sacrificing, due to the fact that most people in the thread support it and are unwilling to compromise. I'd rather have one update and move on afterward if they refuse.

[X] Goldfish
 
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