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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Duesal said:
[X] Azel

@Azel, so we're asking for something far more powerful than simply becoming keyholders?
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We are certainly not handing over control of the entire financial sector of our Empire for a glorified membership card.

The deal itself isn't bad, but he better not believe that even a hundred dragon eggs would be worth getting financially gelded.
 
DragonParadox said:
Dany is a child... well she looks like a child. Getting that settled without offending anyone might be more trouble than its worth especially since Dany has no great desire to be associated with a bank.
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If Dany was interested, a two to five minute conversation with anyone who might object would remove any effect of the "child" perception caused by her chronological age, but if she's not interested, this is a moot point. :)

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Azel said:
We are certainly not handing over control of the entire financial sector of our Empire for a glorified membership card.

The deal itself isn't bad, but he better not believe that even a hundred dragon eggs would be worth getting financially gelded.
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Fair enough.

Even if the Sealord backs down, there are far more dragon eggs to be found.

Eggs taken from the Lannisters, eggs recovered from Valyria proper, eggs taken from Tiamat minions that haven't yet been turned into Red Dragons, etc.
 
I don't think it's necessary for us to become a shareholder to accept this deal. Once we take over and introduce all these medieval feudal lords to the concept of the rule of law, we are more or less guaranteed to see a whole bunch of smaller banks appearing. The simple fact is that money lending becomes much simpler once the Crown starts to enforce all legal contracts...
 
Duesal said:
Fair enough.

Even if the Sealord backs down, there are far more dragon eggs to be found.

Eggs taken from the Lannisters, eggs recovered from Valyria proper, eggs taken from Tiamat minions that haven't yet been turned into Red Dragons, etc.
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Eh. Braavos itself definitely has some control over the IB or their relationship would look quite a bit different.

He both knows that this is reasonable and it's within his power.

By now it should be clear that Viserys is no idiot in these matters, so I doubt this will even surprise him.
 
Random Shinobi said:
I don't think it's necessary for us to become a shareholder to accept this deal. Once we take over and introduce all these medieval feudal lords to the concept of the rule of law, we are more or less guaranteed to see a whole bunch of smaller banks appearing. The simple fact is that money lending becomes much simpler once the Crown starts to enforce all legal contracts...
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... the deal as stated would be "no other bank except Iron Bank in your empire".
 
Azel said:
Eh. Braavos itself definitely has some control over the IB or their relationship would look quite a bit different.

He both knows that this is reasonable and it's within his power.

By now it should be clear that Viserys is no idiot in these matters, so I doubt this will even surprise him.
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Did you not have some sort of Rogare plan in the works?
 
BeepSmile said:
Oh. I appricate that you took the time to illuminate your position for me. Personally, I find chaos slightly annoying unless it impinges on the schedule, in which case it is very aggravating.

I don't see controlling (read: trying to control) negative fey elements as worth the time, and I believe that with work on the part of local mortals and with fey that are at least neturally inclined, a positive relationship can be built between the local court and local mortals. I am uninterested in spending time to do so.

I also have no problem with the fact that the nature of fey is a narrative based pesudo-spell-AI, and will basically never go against fey stuff because they are fey*, and your vitriol against something I view as "meh" is disconcerting/disturbing in its alieness to me.

If it is time consuming or a bad idea, sure, i'd be aginst it, but not because of fey involvement.

*That said, I an 100% opposed to entering the feywild without permissions or friendly guide. That place is terrifying.
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I think the difference is you wait to see "proof" that it will be a time consuming and a bad idea, whereas egoo and others count Fey involvement as evidence enough that it will be time consuming and a bad idea.

Empirically it's not an incorrect stance, Fey are Wild Horses and like Wild Horses you can appreciate them in the distance or you break them, you don't have untamed Stallions running around your property mounting mares and kicking dogs and toddlers.
 
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Wow, this is bold. Like really bold.

If the the Iron Bank wishes to become our central bank, I'm open to the notion... but we'd have to have more power than half the keyholders combined at the very least. Central Banking is a cornerstone of nation states, our empire included, the entire Empire, Essos, Westeros and Interplanar holdings combined. Giving that up for Braavos is very much not worth it, much less three puny dragon eggs we can get from Valyria next turn.
 
MTB said:
Sure, because "of course we had a deal that I don't open a bank, so my familiar did" will totally not be seen as violating the spirit of the agreement.
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There's a difference between using a proxy to evade the letter of the agreement being required to prevent, say Walder Frey, from opening a bank.
 
MTB said:
Sure, because "of course we had a deal that I don't open a bank, so my familiar did" will totally not be seen as violating the spirit of the agreement.
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What? Some random merchant houses are going to see the opportunity and take it. We don't have to even talk to them. Besides, there already is another bank in our realm. This is all about the Iron Bank trying to keep its pre-eminent position; they are not even asking for an actual monopoly.

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bigbow said:
Wow, this is bold. Like really bold.

If the the Iron Bank wishes to become our central bank, I'm open to the notion... but we'd have to have more power than half the keyholders combined at the very least. Central Banking is a cornerstone of nation states, our empire included, the entire Empire, Essos, Westeros and Interplanar holdings combined. Giving that up for Braavos is very much not worth it, much less three puny dragon eggs we can get from Valyria next turn.
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They are not asking to be our central bank. Central banks don't even exist yet.
 
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Random Shinobi said:
What? Some random merchant houses are going to see the opportunity and take it. We don't have to even talk to them. Besides, there already is another bank in our realm. This is all about the Iron Bank trying to keep it's pre-eminent position; they are not even asking for an actual monopoly.

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They are not asking to be our central bank. Central banks don't even exist yet.
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That is effectively what they would become, arguably they already are the central bank of Braavos, in no small part due to the power structures of the government and the keyholders overlapping a lot.
 
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bigbow said:
Wow, this is bold. Like really bold.

If the the Iron Bank wishes to become our central bank, I'm open to the notion... but we'd have to have more power than half the keyholders combined at the very least. Central Banking is a cornerstone of nation states, our empire included, the entire Empire, Essos, Westeros and Interplanar holdings combined. Giving that up for Braavos is very much not worth it, much less three puny dragon eggs we can get from Valyria next turn.
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I have to agree here. The eggs are a nice prize, but also something we can get elsewhere. They'd have to agree to every last one of @Azel's demands before this deal goes through.
 
Azel said:
They are asking exactly that. Doesn't matter if the idea doesn't exist yet, but barring the right to mint, they would become exactly that.
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I don't really understand where you get that idea. What they asked for is just two things:

1.) Right to operate in our lands
2.) Assurance that we won't create a competing bank

They are unlikely to protest if we will, in a decade or so, create a central bank for our realm. Besides, it's not like they can actually stop us from doing so even if they feel like it.
 
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Random Shinobi said:
I don't really understand where you get that idea. What they asked for is just two things:

1.) Right to operate in our lands
2.) Assurance that we won't create a competing bank

They are unlikely to protest if we will, in a decade or so, create a central bank for our realm. Besides, it's not like they can actually stop us from doing so even if they feel like it.
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See @DragonParadox clarification on my questions. They expect exclusive royal patronage for their financial services. When the state only directly interacts with a single bank, then that's a central bank.
 
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