If you're trying to imply that the Nohon will get Ironclads before us like I think you are, then I will have to call the idea rather silly.

We currently have peer naval technologies with the Nohon, while also having a larger industrial, naval, and technological lead on them.
With the rapid distribution of power, and thus increases efficiency and PW, we will have more than enough to constantly push for more and better naval technologies.

Add on the fact that we now have a nearby port, all of the naval advantages Nohon had over us are gone.
There's caution, and then there's paranoia.
If we keep choosing to sponsor non-industry technologies and the Nohon rush it, then they could easily beat us to it.
 
AN on discord said:
Oh right! Also, you get bonus PW for high consciousness at main and mid-turn now
And you can get up to 2 if your Consciousness is over 10
Klinker: "High Con is op"
If you can keep your nation from exploding into revolution,yes
"If our standard of living drops below 6 we all die!"
Talk about double edged sword.
 
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
[X] Plan Reliably and gradually

We just don't have the regulatory systems and ideology to give power away this fast. If we do, we will end up with boom and bust government like the Sketch, which I should objectively good, but very obviously fragile. Let us build up some of the regulatory base and establish basic societal philosophies, such as central banking and freedom of speech and assembly, before giving more power to nobility that don't want to give more power to the lower classes and more power to lower classes that just don't know how to even use it,
 
Talk about double edged sword.
Makes sense. Consciousness means people are aware and care about things. Which means they'll want shit to get done, which is good so long as you can do what they want.
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
[X] Plan Reliably and gradually

We just don't have the regulatory systems and ideology to give power away this fast. If we do, we will end up with boom and bust government like the Sketch, which I should objectively good, but very obviously fragile. Let us build up some of the regulatory base and establish basic societal philosophies, such as central banking and freedom of speech and assembly, before giving more power to nobility that don't want to give more power to the lower classes and more power to lower classes that just don't know how to even use it,
It's already over. And the other vote won so hopefully you are wrong.
 
1842 EY Part 1 - Military Evolutions
1842 EY

[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X][UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X][LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X][Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X][Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)

"It came to me in a dream sire, a sudden flash of inspiration from working with the other prototypes," the gunsmith, one Ynny Trusse said to Nokly and his generals as they inspected the prototypes brought before them. The military academy had been experimenting with breechloaders that could be mass produced for a few years now, but the examples brought before them was a radical step above the other designs shown before. While almost every breechloader had some complexity to its design in the method of sealing off the breach after loading a round, the design before them was remarkably simple in the overall action. Twist a lever, pull back to reveal the firing chamber, load a round, push the lever back and then twist it around. The most complex thing was the firing mechanism, which was a bit fiddly since it had this whole long needle mechanism that seemed remarkably easy to break. However, the needle was a pretty important way of overall simplifying the loading process. Some designs had been fiddling around with little metal cups to preload charges, but those were far too expensive for anything but royal usage. Others used rotating chambers that could be preloaded, but once you fired them all off the reloading process was labourious enough to be not really worth it. This design however used the needle to pierce a paper cartridge loaded with powder and a percussion cap, which was both cheap and allowed for rapid reloading, even if the needle needed replacing every dozen or so shots.

The ball also had a unique design, in that it was more elongated and had a bit of a cup at the back. The burning powder shoved the bullet hard enough that the rear expanded and thus very snugly engaged with the rifling. Precision sharpshooters had better results in tests, but the design was overall a close second best compared to most specialist weapons, and in terms of sustained fire it had the potential to be the fastest thing ever. The fiddly needle design would likely cause problems for the average trooper, but the People probably had at least a hundred thousand troops who were rated of high enough quality to be able to use these weapons under fire. That was a lot of lead being hurled down range in short order.

Still... while this design could probably become part of the People's arsenal eventually, getting it into mass production right away would eat up a lot of efforts going elsewhere and it would still take time to really filter out. It also wasn't really appropriate for all units, since the cavalry would probably get something a little easier to reload while mounted and the revolving cylinder designs could provide instantaneously faster shots when in pistol form, which would also be useful for the cavalry and certain assault specialists.

Adopt the Trusse needle gun design?
[] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[] [Needle] No - Standard RP gain

Speaking of cavalry, while the Ochruhr were being pushed back as quickly as possible, the Qeshyks had managed to get in behind the front of the SKF and were merrily blowing things up, while the foot and cannon regiments were taking advantage of the logistical chaos to isolate and annihilate SKF regiments. The generals were practically having to run to keep up with the colonels, although the overall objectives definitely needed to be clarified with this new success lest the armies lose all focus and go running off in every direction. Thus far the three primary possibilities were, in increasing order of overall difficulty: just plough forward through the heartlands of the Federation and not stop until they reached the Sketch Channel in former Hespranxer lands; sweep down into the Behryvar territory and then join up with the forces pressing the Ochruhr; or attempt the complete annihilation of all forces in the field on the east by multiple envelopments of the forces in the east. These objectives were also ultimately political objectives, as their success or failure would radically shape what the final peace might look like.

Driving to the sea would give the People access to core Halvyni territories and they would have claims on large amounts of Northern Tortun territory if they decided they were sick of revolutionaries blowing up their neighbours every couple of generations, but then again administering millions of angry Tortuns sounded like it would be a long term obnoxious problem. Also, it might piss off the Hespranxer.

Liberating Behryvar quickly would potentially give an immensely grateful ally who could take care of the Tortun issue for them... but also potentially create a very powerful neighbour with potential to nurse a multigenerational grudge. It would also press the Ochruhr on a second front and allow more of the People's weight to be applied against them.

Finally, wiping out large masses of the army would potentially cripple not just the SKF but the Tortun and Halvyni that spilled out of them. While this would be useful for dealing with the immediate aftermath, that definitely sounded like the sort of thing that grudges were built upon.

Also, while some of the communities that the SKF had been running were just regular communities, there were reports coming back of some communities seeming to have just gone off. Locals seemed to have completely lost themselves in a frenzy of attempts to top each other's piety and the results had been ugly, especially if they turned against anyone they deemed insufficiently committed to the cause. What might be happening in Behryvar and the Hespranxer territories that had been less willing to join was obviously something that was still unclear, but if it was even half as bad as the stories some spies and refugees were passing back... hoo. Not good to let this war go on much longer.

SKF are reeling, select a FATALITY to attempt
[] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)
[] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
[] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)
 
PW info said:
Xon: what is our PW cap now?
AN: It should be 20 now
Xepheria: And PW per mainturn?
AN: 4 for main, 4 for mid, parliament has a strength of 6
Corn: what exactly is parliamentary strength?
AN: How much PW the parties have to throw around for their agendas
AN: It will start Royalists 3, Conservatives 2, Liberals 1
KlinkerKing: And they get this both in main and mid, or?
AN: Mid-turn. You can spend your PW to either support them or oppose them
AN: If supported they can achieve more of their agenda, if opposed then you veto their attempts
Also holy shit I'm here when the update drops? Is this the real life~~~
 
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Also, while some of the communities that the SKF had been running were just regular communities, there were reports coming back of some communities seeming to have just gone off. Locals seemed to have completely lost themselves in a frenzy of attempts to top each other's piety and the results had been ugly, especially if they turned against anyone they deemed insufficiently committed to the cause. What might be happening in Behryvar and the Hespranxer territories that had been less willing to join was obviously something that was still unclear, but if it was even half as bad as the stories some spies and refugees were passing back... hoo. Not good to let this war go on much longer.
Welp.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round

Duh

[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

Friend!
 
[X] [Needle] No - Standard RP gain
[X] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)

>Quarters them

No quarter! :mob:
 
[] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)
[] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

I dunno about either, but:
[] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)

is just excessive, even if the Feds went fanatic.
 
DId.

Did we just get bolt-action rifles?

Initial reaction aside, what does it mean by "We get a grateful ally" combined with "We get a powerful neighbour with a grudge".

Like, really? They'll hold a grudge on us for liberating them?
 
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DId.

Did we just get bolt-action rifles?

Initial reaction aside, what does it mean by "We get a grateful ally" combined with "We get a powerful neighbour with a grudge".

Like, really? They'll hold a grudge on us for liberating them?
in the comment Nokly had about it not being so suited to cavalry, revolvers can come next for them.

I read that as grudge with Fed ideology/Ochruhr
 
All hail King Short Victorious Warrior, Nokly!

[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
[] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
NO MATTER WHAT ELSE GET THIS, GET THIS. GET THIIIIIIIS.

@ManusDomine is currently away but the difference between muzzle-loaders and breech-loaders is what cemented the crushing victories of the Prussian armies in the second Schleswig war against Denmark
 
[X] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)

Time to get our own East Germany. I'm also tired of having to fight a Great Power war every single generation against these guys.
 
Locals seemed to have completely lost themselves in a frenzy of attempts to top each other's piety and the results had been ugly, especially if they turned against anyone they deemed insufficiently committed to the cause. What might be happening in Behryvar and the Hespranxer territories that had been less willing to join was obviously something that was still unclear, but if it was even half as bad as the stories some spies and refugees were passing back... hoo. Not good to let this war go on much longer.

Religious fanatics gonna religious fanatic, I guess :V

[] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round

Gib pls, universal rifling is kinda a super big deal for large armies like ours.

[] [War] Tear their heart out (Punch through to the sea)
>taking over angry nationalist Tortuns
No thanks

[] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
Getting a buffer state seems like a good idea, as it lets us leverage their stuff through trade without having to administer it, and keep border tensions low.

[] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)
We've already seen what happens when we wipe out the entire army of a population; they don't end up liking us all that much :V
We probably shouldn't resort to massive depopulation when we really have no need to.


[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
Like, really? They'll hold a grudge on us for liberating them?

The Behryvar would likely gain large amounts of territory from the former North Tortun Federation to governor in any peace deal. Thus there is a risk they would absorb large numbers of angry Tortuns and risk being absorbed by their grudge in a generation or two. Hard to judge just how much of a risk that is at this point until the dust is really settled, but when plotting something like this out you need to consider these sorts of potential scenarios.


No need, there are only two questions (really only one), I can clarify things early on, and I won't lock until tomorrow evening.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round

Miniball + needle gun? Yes Please

[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)

No way in hell do we want to hold lands, and we want something vaguely friend-shaped to act as a shield against syffryn craziness.
 
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[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
[X] [War] Rip their arms off and beat them to death (Annihilate armies)

The Tortun territories are toxic. Please don't eat them; it will give us indigestion.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - PracticalBreechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
Adhoc vote count started by sam5447 on May 21, 2018 at 11:38 PM, finished with 705 posts and 90 votes.

Adhoc vote count started by sam5447 on May 21, 2018 at 11:40 PM, finished with 30 posts and 18 votes.
 
[X] [Needle] Yes - Practical Breechloading Rifles and Universal Rifling Complete immediately, elite units begin fielding the weapon in small numbers immediately, other military RP gains suppressed for the round
[X] [War] Disembowel them (Liberate Behryvar)
 
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