- Location
- Hell
Well see, that was the part I wanted
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
HanEmpire
Delicious
Then go with Plan FREEDOM, that's the one that takes us closest to the other nations.
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
What powers shall be invested in the Upper House? Current De Jure Status Quo: Veto, De Facto Status Quo: Minor Lawmaking
[] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
This means that the Upper House - in particularly the landed nobility (which are our old nobles, our current generals, the upper crust of the industrialists and the very best of our civil service) - will be able to set the national budget. This is a huge concession - but it is also quite necessary. Autocracies are deeply inefficient, and while we are lucky that Nokly is a reasonably capable man this does not guarantee that his heir Yenya (or, indeed, if anyone else succeeds him, like a cousin) is going to be as capable. In the age of industry, the appeal of the Singular Great Man (or Woman) is over - budgets are too large, lands too vast, to be administered with the hideous inefficiency of autocracy.
Should there be a Lower House and what should it do? Current Status Quo: Advisory (Cannot be stronger than the Upper House this Constitution)
[] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
The Lower House powers are probably the most important bit in this. It means a much faster, much more responsive government compared to our current autocracy (where everything goes through the Monarch), and on top of that it distributes and devolves power enough to reduce the chances that one man's terrible fuck-ups fuck over the entire nation.
Freedom of assembly? Status Quo: Limited
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
We want to be the most appealing target for immigration in the world.
We aren't it, not yet.
Not yet, so let's work on it.
We want people to give us their tired, their poor, their huddled masses, and we want to put these huddled masses to work in our factories and our academies and our military and benefit from the suffering of the rest of the world.
Freedom of the press? Status Quo: Crown Censorship
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
A system that does not allow itself to be criticized is weak. A system that never goes through the growing pains of free speech and never learns that a stable system must have some limits on free speech is even weaker - and this is the only way we can learn this important lesson.
[] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
This means that the Upper House - in particularly the landed nobility (which are our old nobles, our current generals, the upper crust of the industrialists and the very best of our civil service) - will be able to set the national budget. This is a huge concession - but it is also quite necessary. Autocracies are deeply inefficient, and while we are lucky that Nokly is a reasonably capable man this does not guarantee that his heir Yenya (or, indeed, if anyone else succeeds him, like a cousin) is going to be as capable. In the age of industry, the appeal of the Singular Great Man (or Woman) is over - budgets are too large, lands too vast, to be administered with the hideous inefficiency of autocracy.
Should there be a Lower House and what should it do? Current Status Quo: Advisory (Cannot be stronger than the Upper House this Constitution)
[] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
The Lower House powers are probably the most important bit in this. It means a much faster, much more responsive government compared to our current autocracy (where everything goes through the Monarch), and on top of that it distributes and devolves power enough to reduce the chances that one man's terrible fuck-ups fuck over the entire nation.
Freedom of assembly? Status Quo: Limited
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
We want to be the most appealing target for immigration in the world.
We aren't it, not yet.
Not yet, so let's work on it.
We want people to give us their tired, their poor, their huddled masses, and we want to put these huddled masses to work in our factories and our academies and our military and benefit from the suffering of the rest of the world.
Freedom of the press? Status Quo: Crown Censorship
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
A system that does not allow itself to be criticized is weak. A system that never goes through the growing pains of free speech and never learns that a stable system must have some limits on free speech is even weaker - and this is the only way we can learn this important lesson.
- Location
- Reno Nv
ExNihilo
SPACE!
- Location
- USA
- Pronouns
- He/Him
So you want plan FREEDOM.
- Location
- Panama City
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
- Location
- Austria
- Pronouns
- He/Him
KlinkerKing
Man bites dog?
- Location
- The Lion's Den
Vote Walrus!
(Some)People have been complaining the opposite actually.
That people would go the Sketch way because they seemed untouched by the crisis. It's only been with latter GM commentary that it's died down.
I think there are crossed wires here somewhere.
As I understand Speckled, he was pointing out that Sketch business and government are pretty intertwined.The business elite control Parliament, and thus manage to use the assets of government(not money, but army, navy, diplomats) to push business, in return for the state getting their cut in SoL.
A very Russian oligarch way of doing business.
Or similar to some of the dealings of early and mid-TwenCen USA in Latin America.
- Location
- indeterminate, possibly non-existent
- Pronouns
- Any
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Okay, minor clarification, but this is not caused by their parliamentary system alone, but the combination of their government, economy, and their priorities. Basically, for the hypothetical players of the Sketch their dominant liberal party has never asked for things that they didn't already want, so they let them run wild. It's really their economic system that has been the problem/what let them get ahead, as they don't pay PW to do a lot things you do, so they can spend PW on trade missions and research boosters.
- Location
- Somewhere
One last try.
What about the issues we know will create conflict? Our bank science isn't solidified yet, and the prestige archeology will give us is likely to boop the Sketch. How are we supposed to deal with that without the germ theory completed, and issues caused by industrialists given our nation's budget? All at the same time?
What about the issues we know will create conflict? Our bank science isn't solidified yet, and the prestige archeology will give us is likely to boop the Sketch. How are we supposed to deal with that without the germ theory completed, and issues caused by industrialists given our nation's budget? All at the same time?
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Germ theory completes in 1842, so you can begin addressing this soon.
While you're here;
QUESTION
Didn't you say something about not needing further ConCons to enact any but the most major governmental changes once we gave our Parliament de jure legislative powers rather than just de facto ones?
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
- Pronouns
- He/Him
After some more clarifications/info from AN on discord, unabstaining:
[X] Plan FREEDOM
Incidentally, those clarifications:
[X] Plan FREEDOM
Incidentally, those clarifications:
- Location
- Staring into the void
After some consideration, and thought to how this might end up after 100+ years of no change, I'm okay with changing my vote to
[X] Plan FREEDOM
[X] Plan FREEDOM
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Oh yeah, once Parliament officially has lawmaking power, they can address individual issues in the constitution as they come up, instead of having to crack the whole damn thing open.
So, basically, the mechanics are going to start shifting away from absolute decrees towards being able to support or fight against the various factions, who have their own agendas that they want to pursue. If they want to do things you want to do, they contribute their own actions and you don't have to spend PW. At this stage the monarch will still retain some executive power though, so there will still be executive actions that do not require going through the faction system.
More discord quotes from AN
The conquered minority debuff went from 1870 to 1850. Based monument.
The conquered minority debuff went from 1870 to 1850. Based monument.
@Academia Nut
How would the Power of the Purse work mechanically? We know that with Minor Lawmaking we get a few actions after mid-turn that come prepackaged according to various factions' wants with some additional PW to spend on them. How is Power of the Purse different? Does it flat out change the PW cost of certain actions (i.e. Develop Industry or Rise Armies), potentially to zero? Does it give us certain 'free' actions each turn to reflect ongoing long-term budgetary effects? How much extra PW does it give us during the main turn, mid turn and any other various subphases? Would our PW cap change?
How would the Power of the Purse work mechanically? We know that with Minor Lawmaking we get a few actions after mid-turn that come prepackaged according to various factions' wants with some additional PW to spend on them. How is Power of the Purse different? Does it flat out change the PW cost of certain actions (i.e. Develop Industry or Rise Armies), potentially to zero? Does it give us certain 'free' actions each turn to reflect ongoing long-term budgetary effects? How much extra PW does it give us during the main turn, mid turn and any other various subphases? Would our PW cap change?
[X] Plan FREEDOM
Corn sold me on the purse issue.
We need to pivot heavily towards Industry though. This is likely our last wakeup before we run into catastrophic problems. We need education 9+ and Innovation 20 (or whatever it takes for AN to start throwing free techs at us.)
Corn sold me on the purse issue.
We need to pivot heavily towards Industry though. This is likely our last wakeup before we run into catastrophic problems. We need education 9+ and Innovation 20 (or whatever it takes for AN to start throwing free techs at us.)
So yeah.
Suffrage, all that shit? Covered.
I'm that much more comfortable taking things easy when we can slowly adjust as needed.
No need to rush this when you can alter it later if necessary.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
You will see, but it will be somewhat like the current mid-turn party plan choices, but more PW efficient.