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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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Alectai said:
The problem is that people are going to look at the two economies that weathered the crisis best, and realize that the Sketch Model is infinitely superior, which means everyone's going to have to copy them or risk being reduced to the dregs of history. Us included, and we have enough clay that people are going to run a blanket party with us in the middle because we can't outproduce them unless we become another Sketch Government Clone.
Sure, we can throw manpower out, but that only goes so far.
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Until they crash. Again.

What works for the Sketch because of geographical position and historical advantage and military power will not necessarily work for anyone else.
Colombia can't exactly use the sell drugs to the rest of the world economic strategy the Brits used on OTL China.
Ask the Maratha and how the opium trade worked out for them.

Some strategies have a timing window for when they can work.
The Sketch got in early. I suspect it might work less well for others.
 
Random Member said:
Just because you're all assuming there are no downsides because we don't have a full picture doesn't mean that's actually the case.
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Well, when they've been hit on what's supposed to be their glowing weak point for what's supposed to be massive damage... And they shrug it off by the time it makes the news, yes.

Not only that, but they, and anyone that follows their perfect model, can massively outproduce Not!USSR, when said Union has equal or better tech base.

It basically makes Ymaryn administration the very height of incompetence. Because even Russian dirt farmers were able to stem Nazi Germany.
 
keenscythe said:
No point in going through the motions since our plans for the next century are going to be more industry and more railroads while propping up the Hung in the vague hope they will finally get their shit together.
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Most people see "the point" and consider this game as very interesting, thank you very much.
 
Honestly, complaining that Sketch were able to weather this crisis is like complaining that Germany went from hyperinflation to fighting an industrial war against every other major power. It's like I said before: the strongest powers before an economic crisis are usually still the strongest after it.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Because even Russian dirt farmers were able to stem Nazi Germany.
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We are not at war with the Sketch. We would probably win, when mobilized, indeed.

SeptimusMagisto said:
Honestly, complaining that Sketch were able to weather this crisis is like complaining that Germany went from hyperinflation to fighting an industrial war against every other major power. It's like I said before: the strongest powers before an economic crisis are usually still the strongest after it.
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Exactly, this.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Well, when they've been hit on what's supposed to be their glowing weak point for what's supposed to be massive damage... And they shrug it off by the time it makes the news, yes.
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Because we were doing everything in our power to get trade flowing, and before that, we enabled Sketch to make massive profit. They benefited from our financial manipulation of debt.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
If you consider there are 3-4 nations 1/1000th the size of the DC that would have massively outstripped us if not for being stomping grounds of every war...

And this is all with a weaker tech base, equivalent at most.
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Yeah, you're grossly overestimating us.

Untill recently, our Edu and innovation was absolutely terrible, so I doubt we'd have a better tech base.
Secondly, most of our land area is barely civilized Kyberia.
Third, unlike us, they happily pollute.
Fourth, most of them industrialized earlier.

Doesn't suprise me one bit that the other guys have more Industry.
 
Xepheria said:
We can't touch them. They're on islands, and would reduce our navy to matchsticks.
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We could conquer India, excuse me, Kus.
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liberty90 said:
We are not at war with the Sketch. We would probably win, when mobilized, indeed.
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Seeing the point has solidly entered orbit, let me make it clearer: the sheer magnitude of their advantage is outrageous, when even someone with a tech advantages of "precision machining is my hobby" against "steel plows!!!" wasn't able to overcome the "quantity" gap. And Ymarin-Sketch should be roughly on par, tech wise.

Considering the Sketch would have 3-4 in their company if the cards fell slightly differently, yeah.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
Seeing the point has solidly entered orbit, let me make it clearer: the sheer magnitude of their advantage is outrageous, when even someone with a tech advantages of "precision machining is my hobby" against "steel plows!!!" wasn't able to overcome the "quantity" gap. And Ymarin-Sketch are roughly on par, tech wise.

Considering the Sketch would have 3-4 in their company if the cards fell slightly differently, yeah.
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The sketch have a massive lead on us in tech.
 
Xepheria said:
The sketch have a massive lead on us in tech.
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???

I'd have thought keeping the Core intact all the way through, including the manufacturies and most ancient universities would be worth something. We haven't exactly slouched on research.

But at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if their ten million strong army was armed with AKs.

@Academia Nut How's the tech situation?
SpeckofStardust said:
All we have to do is cut off all food trade with them.
That would end them. We could do it too.
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Nah, they'd probably invent hydroponics and outproduce us too.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
I'd have thought keeping the Core intact all the way through, including the manufacturies and most ancient universities would be worth something.
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Yeah, and that something was a lot of Guilds killing innovation in favor of stability.

The Sketch are way ahead (except in a few of our specialities) in industry tech. In fact, IIRC they had Iron railroads up and running before we even got experimental ones.
 
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SpeckofStardust said:
While our econ didn't collapse at all and we kept our closest allies from collapsing either.
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THIS.

The Sketch have no permanent allies.
Trading partners, but no allies. We do. We need them because unlike the Sketch, we don't have ocean protecting our borders.
We act in ways that make us predictable, hence our high Trust.

We won't ever be as economically successful as the Sketch, in part because our playing backstop allows them to be more reckless.
But that affords it's own advantages, in stability, in the sort of people we attract.

And we're positioned for the long game. Which is what we're playing.
 
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TotallyNotEvil said:
???

I'd have thought keeping the Core intact all the way through, including the manufacturies and most ancient universities would be worth something. We haven't exactly slouched on research.

But at this point, I wouldn't be surprised if their ten million strong army was armed with AKs.

@Academia Nut How's the tech situation?

Nah, they'd probably invent hydroponics and outproduce us too.
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The sketch had a 30 year headstart in industrialising, and only pulled ahead from there.
 
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