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Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization

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[] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
[] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
[] [Assembly] 0 PW - Limited
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)

Something like this? +2 min Consciousness is kinda concerning...
 
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On the other hand, we are some of the best spies and diplomats there are. I'm sure we can help the Hung Emperor out by blaming misfortune for his enemies on perfidious Nohon and Sketch.

Not everything requires armies. Sometimes, a few words in the right ears suffice.

Like spreading rumours that the rebellious governor is a Nohon puppet. Populist rumours are hard to disprove and relatively easy to spread.

That, and Hung nationalism.
 
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Hey @Dutch , how long do you think until someone unironically starts to support The Ymaryn Man's Burden? :V
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What do you're mean "starts"? I'm pretty sure we've had multiple people advocating for us to conquer lands "for the sake of the people", "they'll be better off under our benevolent rule" or "the greater good of humanity".

This weekend we had someone saying that colonialism is only bad if done poorly.

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What powers shall be invested in the Upper House? Current De Jure Status Quo: Advisory, De Facto Status Quo: Minor Lawmaking
[] [UH] 5 PW - Advisory No. We are not spending 5 PW to march backwards.
[] [UH] 2 PW - Veto What's the point?
[] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking Good place to be right now.
[] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse The Upper House shouldn't be more powerful than the lower.
[] [UH] 4 PW - Total lawmaking No. Too expensive, and entrenching the nobility in the legislature is bad.

Should there be a Lower House and what should it do? Current Status Quo: Advisory (Cannot be stronger than the Upper House this Constitution)
[] [LH] 5 PW - None No.
[] [LH] 3 PW - Advisory Totally pointless.
[] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness) Are we doing democratic reform, or what?
[] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking(+1 Temp Happiness) Oh well. Minor lawmaking is fine too.
[] [LH] 6 PW - Power of the purse I wanted this, but both rights are too important to drop.
[] [LH] 10 PW - Total lawmaking Someday...

Freedom of assembly? Status Quo: Limited
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Restricted Going backwards on key rights is stupid.
[] [Assembly] +1 PW - Limited Citizen, Restricted Minority Going backwards on minority rights is also stupid.
[] [Assembly] 0 PW - Limited Why though?
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)

Freedom of the press? Status Quo: Crown Censorship
[] [Press] 4 PW - Crown Only (Academy Slot from Academic Freedom not automatically filled) Absolutely
[] [Press] 0 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship Not
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)

And therefore...

[] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
[] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking(+1 Temp Happiness)
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)

-7 PW total. Two major rights, a solid lower house, and 2 Temp Happiness gained. Good times.

EDIT: reading comprehension error fixed.
 
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Dutch said:
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What do you're mean "starts"? I'm pretty sure we've had multiple people advocating for us to conquer lands "for the sake of the people", "they'll be better off underestimating our benevolent rule" or "the greater good of humanity".

This weekend we had someone saying that colonialism is only bad if done poorly.
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We've also been doing this (wanting to conquer people for arguably moral reasons) for a while but to be fair, back when our neighbors practiced human sacrifice it was all true.
 
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What powers shall be invested in the Upper House? Current De Jure Status Quo: Advisory, De Facto Status Quo: Minor Lawmaking
[] [UH] 5 PW - Advisory No. We are not spending 5 PW to march backwards.
[] [UH] 2 PW - Veto What's the point?
[] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
[] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse The Upper House shouldn't be more powerful than the lower.
[] [UH] 4 PW - Total lawmaking No. Too expensive, and entrenching the nobility in the legislature is bad.

Should there be a Lower House and what should it do? Current Status Quo: Advisory (Cannot be stronger than the Upper House this Constitution)
[] [LH] 5 PW - None No.
[] [LH] 3 PW - Advisory Totally pointless.
[] [LH] 2 PW - Veto (+1 Temp Happiness) Are we doing democratic reform, or what?
[] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness) Happiness boost is tempting, but we saved PW for a reason.
[] [LH] 6 PW - Power of the purse
[] [LH] 10 PW - Total lawmaking Someday...

Freedom of assembly? Status Quo: Limited
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Restricted Going backwards is stupid
[] [Assembly] +1 PW - Limited Citizen, Restricted Minority Going backwards on minority rights is also stupid.
[] [Assembly] 0 PW - Limited Why though?
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)

Freedom of the press? Status Quo: Crown Censorship
[] [Press] 4 PW - Crown Only (Academy Slot from Academic Freedom not automatically filled) Absolutely
[] [Press] 0 PW - Free ownership with Crown Censorship Not
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)

And therefore...

[] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
[] [LH] 6 PW - Power of the purse
[] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
[] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)

-9 PW total.

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LH can't be higher than UH
 
[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
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[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
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[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
[X] Plan FREEDOM
-[X] [UH] 2 PW - Power of the purse
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
I think minor lawmaking or better is required with broad freedom of assembly and freedom of the press. Our lower classes will be able to mobilise as a political force with those laws and with all the revolutionary ideas kicking around we want them to have a place at the table. I'd rather stop at minor for both this concon so that the lower house has the time to build strength for the power of the purse and total advances.

If we run some science boosts to get germ theory and the anti-pollution infrastructure techs quickly the working class who live in the cities might give us free bills to build it in balance with rapid IC. An internal espionage mission to add that to the working class's agenda in a strong lower house is an option if they don't pick it up automatically.
 
065tdsa said:
We've also been doing this (wanting to conquer people for arguably moral reasons) for a while but to be fair, back when our neighbors practiced human sacrifice it was all true.
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Arguably we did so because of genuine moral principles back then. It might just be the thread, but there are much more sinister undertones right now.
 
[X] Plan And Lawmaking for All
-[X] [UH] +1 PW - Minor lawmaking
-[X] [LH] 4 PW - Minor lawmaking (+1 Temp Happiness)
-[X] [Assembly] 2 PW - Broad (+1 Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1)
-[X] [Press] 2 PW - Free press (-1 Temp Happiness, Min. Consciousness from Education Increased by 1, Academic Freedom Provides Half Consciousness to Innovation)
 
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