I am OK with a veto if we can commit to a Perm Navy x1, temp Navy X, DI until 1 temp IC next round.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
- Pronouns
- He/Him
Navy is just too damn far from resupply to make a meaningful dent in the Nohon's ability to ravage the coasts from their protected ports. Basically the growing discontent is being fuelled mostly by the fact that you are sending soldiers and sailors far away and jacking up taxes and nothing is really happening. Current projections are that you simply can't beat the Nohon at this range and the entire fight is pointless.
Also, now that you mention it, yes, the Royalist plan is actually cheaper than currently stated. I won't make any official changes just to keep the voting relatively clean, but it will trade the Temp IC for more Temp SoL and cost one less PW.
Can we request the Royalists, who support the crown controling things, instead sell less crown corps?
I would prefer that over more temp SoL.
- Location
- United States
Isn't the port we have in Kus almost right next to the Hung coastline?
I would think that would more than close enough as a resupply point for ships looking to doomblob through the cordon.
- Pronouns
- He/Him
No, there is a several thousand kilometer journey around South East Asia to get to the Hung, and the direct land route goes across impassible mountains and jungle.
Damn, even with a bigger fleet? Also, what about sending fleetball convoys to try and force big battles? Either something starts happening on the sea, or we at least get to Hung to show our flag and let them remember our help and not quite so jacked up grain prices.
- Location
- Illinois
AN mentioned it's not a 1 to 1 CC thing. We don't literally only have 14 companies.
He also confirmed that selling off 4 means we have only the strategic core companies left. So we're not at risk of selling off something super important.
It was said awhile back that Nohon would jump on a fleet ball with their own fleet, and we would be at a disadvantage in such a fight, iirc.
Last edited:
- Location
- United States
[X][War] Continue War - Royalists Pleased
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Naval Armaments Bill (-1 IC, +1 Temp IC, +1 Navy, +2 Temp SoL, +4 Sell Crown Corp Uses, Royalists Pleased)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Naval Armaments Bill (-1 IC, +1 Temp IC, +1 Navy, +2 Temp SoL, +4 Sell Crown Corp Uses, Royalists Pleased)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
Would we? I would say we can recover from our casualties faster, since we have a more modern economy, and we are now equal tech-wise. Big fleet fight doesn't look very disadvantageous to me, especially if get a bit more ships.
With 5 temp navies, yes. They had better tech. Their fleet ball will likely be bigger and closer to home.
But now we have equal tech and the posibility of 8-10 navies. I refuse to thonk that doubling our effective force won't do anything.
We JUST fought them to a draw in Khiberian waters a few years ago.
We NEED to take a Khiberian port though.
- Location
- Illinois
Several reasons:
1. Certain technology increases are sped up during the war.
2. Fighting with the Hung until they give in lets us claim later on that we fought alongside them to the end, which should be helpful in the long term with Hung relations.
3. Us leaving means the Hung will collapse, which could then set off an economic catastrophe. We want to delay that for a bit longer, so we can hopefully be in a stronger position.
[X][War] Continue War - Royalists Pleased
[X][Bill] 2 PW - King's Bill (+1 temp SoL, Boost Science Research, +2 Sell Crown Corp Uses)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
Last edited:
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X][War] Continue War - Royalists Pleased
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Naval Armaments Bill (-1 IC, +1 Temp IC, +1 Navy, +2 Temp SoL, +4 Sell Crown Corp Uses, Royalists Pleased)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
[X][Bill] 2 PW - Naval Armaments Bill (-1 IC, +1 Temp IC, +1 Navy, +2 Temp SoL, +4 Sell Crown Corp Uses, Royalists Pleased)
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
To add to this, there's also always the chance of more Kyberi clay via land gains. We only need one port for Simultaneous Sunrise and Sunset.
So, @Academia Nut, can we have Royalists sell a bit less Crown Corps? We are not really in a big need of temp SoL, and royalists are all for government control, no?
Rather unlikely, since those ports are fortress we can't really cut off from resupply.
- Location
- Illinois
@Academia Nut if we think it's impossible to defeat the Nohon navy at sea, what are our aims then? Just defeat as many Nohon ships as we can, or do we still pan on trying to break the cordon, even if it's unlikely?
I would LIKE to attempt sweep and kill patrols. We sail out in blue water and back along the coast. We catch the cordon ships with a good sized fleet ball between them and Nohon. They can ether run away fron Nohon waters or into our canons.
The thing is less selling crown corps for profit during the depression and more of being able to control which industry eats the damage if we don't have any mitigation.
If you want the Liberals to throw a massive fit, there might be an option. But the basic thing is that buying up an industry is actually stupidly expensive, unless the industry had practically collapsed anyway
Yep, mostly we're dragging things out so the Hung have a more gradual collapse and thus more likely to have SOME centers of administration survive. And also being able to grind our naval techs in live combat in a relatively low stakes war.
That and our victory condition is pretty much Nohon getting their own colonies threatened in the east and having to peace out first, or a rebellion in the Nohon colony on Kyberia(this should be a legit Intrigue mission target next turn if we can find the PW). If they lose a port to us that way, THEN we can win normally by basing our fleet there.
[X][War] Continue War - Royalists Pleased
[X][Bill] 1 PW - Veto (+1 temp Consciousness
[X][Rails] 1 PW - Yes please (Kielmyr Invest, gain +1 Railroads)
I dont think @Academia Nut simulates our battles like that although i might be wrong. It's mostly narrative about the logistic lines and resupply