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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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Hey... Could we have the Beastie UD report back to us on particularly strong core strengths, say... Purity?
 
Shaseyu said:
Just a reminder of what this plan entails:
We will try to copy Cassiel into the Unison Device. Original Cassiel will continue to be the Fallen prisoner.
I would prefer to try some other way to help her first. For example, we know that new Dragon is invisible for Cassy's family, so if we ask for her help to locate Cassy, the Fallen will not see it coming.
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pff, I know what the plan is. An I fully expect Unison Cassiel to make her first power teleportation and go fly off to steal herself. Hilarity ensues as Unison Cassiel plays Jimminy cricket on her original's shoulder.
 
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[X] Plan Cassiel
-[X] Boost Device for Maclibuin. 2 slots.
-[X] Unison Device to slurp up Cassiel's mind. 3 slots. Partial progress
 
Archeo Lumiere said:
Who said anything about recruiting? Just offering her a normal device would essentially give her her powers plus a whole extra suite, the world needs a Nanoha.
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I'm like 90% sure that's us at the moment, and will probably end up being Alexandria once/if we leave for TSAB space. Of course, if Alexandria goes full Nanoha, I imagine a lot of people's days will end in pink.

[X] Plan Cassiel
-[X] Boost Device for Maclibuin. 2 slots.
-[X] Unison Device to slurp up Cassiel's mind. 3 slots. Partial progress
 
Archeo Lumiere said:
Who said anything about recruiting? Just offering her a normal device would essentially give her her powers plus a whole extra suite, the world needs a Nanoha.
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Archeo Lumiere said:
A Fate then, but the offer must be made, simply because she's epic.
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Um...
Silently Watches said:
Remember way back, I think in late Arc 1, how I said that I had some people picked out who were guaranteed to have Linker Cores but I wouldn't tell you who they were until you scanned them or the information became irrelevant? And also that I had figured out who this quest's Fate was going to be? Yeah, Purity had a Linker Core, and she would have been happy to give up her powers for a Device if it provided a fresh start as a heroine and you gave her a way to get herself and Aster out of Brockton Bay. That was the real prize you could have won had you completed Light in the Darkness back in Arc 2, just so you know. The reason I'm revealing it now is that she no longer has any impetus to give up the powers she's familiar with just so she can rebrand herself. She's getting recognized as a hero, Aster is forever out of Kaiser's hands, and Kayden Russel has a new start awaiting her in New Orleans. Life is finally looking up.
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More than a little dissapointed that so many people, without bothering to even discuss alternative ideas of rescue, are jumping on the "dump a human into a restricted fairy body because its easier, even if we don't know the consequences" plan.

Like, people are fine making big plans for taking on Coil and the Endbringers and our guardian beast went toe-to-toe with Lung and handled him better than The Butcher did, but not even a moments consideration of a dimensional-teleporter trying a rescue mission (let alone a raid) ??

Is it fear of the difficulty? Or is it that the quest structure, moreso with presumed Endbringer to consider going after and with Coil planned for next arc, doesn't allow for planning a big thing like that ourselves (its assumed) ?
 
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I think it's the "SW put it in as dialogue and people latched on to it as the default unless someone else comes up with something else".

Granted so did I, but still.
 
Racoras said:
More than a little dissapointed that so many people, without bothering to even discuss alternative ideas of rescue, are jumping on the "dump a human into a restricted fairy body because its easier, even if we don't know the consequences" plan.

Like, people are fine making big plans for taking on Coil and the Endbringers and our guardian beast went toe-to-toe with Lung and handled him better than The Butcher did, but not even a moments consideration of a dimensional-teleporter trying a rescue mission (let alone a raid) ??

Is it fear of the difficulty? Or is it that the quest structure, moreso with presumed Endbringer to consider going after and with Coil planned for next arc, doesn't allow for planning a big thing like that ourselves (its assumed) ?
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If Cassiel is human, and it wasn't clear whether she is or not, then my vote on trying to put her in a Unison Device will always be a resounding, categorical no. That's not how Unison Devices work, and that's not how humans work either. It only worked with Dragon because she was already digital.

And yes, trying to get a location, if a physical location exists (this was not clear from her appearances, I think), should be a priority for her rescue. Was it confirmed that she's with the Fallen, or is that speculation that wasn't denied?
 
Okay, maybe I'm being dense but I don't think the QM ever confirmed or denied the Cassiel's family is a part of the Fallen?

I think that something akin to the Kayleigh - Cailleach situation, where someone came with the theory that they were the same person and the thread ran with it, despite the QM saying nothing on the matter.

It seems she can track parahumans through their Shards, that's why Dragon Alpha got Ascalon'd by Unison Dragon it was as if she died to her.

She also seems to be aware of magic to some extent, and is also able to connect telepathically with Taylor in her sleep, maybe through her scarred Corona?

Damn, she is weird.

As an aside, and maybe I'm asking too much, but can @Silently Watches confirm if there's the possibility of something higher powered than Cassie breaching Perfect Storm's telepathic defense?
 
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LancerisDead said:
As an aside, and maybe I'm asking too much, but can @Silently Watches confirm if there's the possibility of something higher powered than Cassie breaching Perfect Storm's telepathic defense?
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Cassiel didn't overpower and breach Perfect Storm's defenses at all. She sent out a telepathic signal so weak and subtle that it slipped under PS's radar the first time. PS agreed at the time that psychic manipulation through that kind of signal was, while not impossible, extremely unlikely.

If PS's telepathic firewall can block out the Simurgh's scream, there aren't any parahuman Masters who will be able to overpower it.
 
Silently Watches said:
Cassiel didn't overpower and breach Perfect Storm's defenses at all. She sent out a telepathic signal so weak and subtle that it slipped under PS's radar the first time. PS agreed at the time that psychic manipulation through that kind of signal was, while not impossible, extremely unlikely.

If PS's telepathic firewall can block out the Simurgh's scream, there aren't any parahuman Masters who will be able to overpower it.
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Okay, this questline we're running a tad more blind than we use to.

Is there any type of Device* Tim would be able to build to say, either track her or isolate the connection so Taylor can talk more freely with her?

Because while I don't think my original "she's an Unison Device at the core of IAE" will pan out, I'm not entirely sold on her being human. Hell, we know that there are Al-Hazardan descendants on Bet, maybe she's an unrelated Lost Logia?

EDIT: *Device in the general sense, I mean.
 
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LancerisDead said:
Is there any type of Device* Tim would be able to build to say, either track her or isolate the connection so Taylor can talk more freely with her?
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Considering how delicate and unpredictable Cassiel's communication with Taylor is, it probably wouldn't be easy. There's also the fact that depending on how Cassiel's grandmama's ability works, there exists the possibility that she would notice it and possibly give her a back down into Tim or Taylor. Depends on how subtle her own telepathy is. Or if nothing else, alert her that somebody was looking for li'l Cassie.

Considering Cassiel warned you off of trying to look for her…
 
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Well then, right now it seems like a make or break situation, as in, once we decide to do this we need to carry through with it.

Oh well, I'd prefer to have a little more info on what Cassiel is but I guess this as much we will get if we don't want to alert grandmama up.

Still, I'll stick witch my theory and call it:

Mama = Rebel Princess of Galea.
Papa = Original Trascendent Gadgeteer.
Grandmama = Queen of Galea.
 
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Its not exactly a blind theory about Cassiel, its more that based on latest interlude with her the mentioned Grandma seems to strongly resemble the powers of Mama Mathers from the Fallen, and Taylor even commented that the powerset sounded familiar.

I think the being trapped by parents and other oddness also was considered to vaguely fit the cult elements of them, buuut I'm not sure we've had any direct evidence towards identity until that Grandma link.

I am curious though whether her Dybbuk-attack can actually get by Perfect Storm?? That seems like a Master/Telepathy based thing after all.... but maybe I misunderstand. Its not like Cassiel is aware we can no-sell the Simurgh and everything lesser, so would she really be able to reliably assess our risk and warn against searching?

If nothing else, maybe try it from some isolated spot we teleport to, to at least negate possibility of the Grandma being able to see where we live or anything else useful at the moment (and then just kill time a bit until PS can try to assess if we got back-traced through the telepathy, if it can sense that sort of piggybacking on its own link?)
 
Racoras said:
If nothing else, maybe try it from some isolated spot we teleport to, to at least negate possibility of the Grandma being able to see where we live or anything else useful at the moment (and then just kill time a bit until PS can try to assess if we got back-traced through the telepathy, if it can sense that sort of piggybacking on its own link?)
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I think the problem is, we're still very much in the 'we don't call her, she calls us' situation, so engineering something specific to happen at a certain place kinda requires we commit to Taylor sleeping at the place in question for however many nights it takes to get contacted.

EDIT: This of course assumes that A) waking up will break the contact, so Taylor can't just take Sam and hop to a forest somewhere, and B) that setting up a reliably secure place for Taylor to have PS teleport her unconscious body to, which is definitely unrelated to either of her identities, is an outrageously silly level of convoluted to act on. Either of which I might be wrong about.
 
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Solusandra said:
The Fallen, for Fallen Son
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Huh, I assume this is a CYOA document penned by Wildbow?

Still, if anything this makes me think that it's even less likely that Cassiel is part of the Fallen and instead of an unrelated group. It just seems redundant story-wise given that they already have someone on their ranks with the same given name that bears no similarities to the Cassiel we know.
 
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