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Magical Girl Escalation Taylor (Worm/Nanoha)

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[X] Help Snow White
-[x] Send Sam to guard Tim from retaliation.
-[x] Use Wide Area Search to check for injured bystanders.
[X] Take the wounded to the Protectorate. They have medical staff on hand.

Edit as far as I'm concerned with the Privateers going rogue like they are they're no better than the villains they want to kill. Honestly we should cut them off from the tech and weapons inform the PRT of their actions and wash our hands of them. If they want to act all high and mighty like they have the moral high ground when they're roaming the streets looking for people to kill, then all I have to say is fuck that, we need to get them off the streets before they do something that they can't take back.
 
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The Privateers are already most of the way down the path that leads to becoming an organized crime syndicate. Like, this is seriously how groups like the Mafia can get started. A community is failing to have its needs met by the legitimate authorities so they began attempting to fulfill those needs themselves. The community will usually be lacking in the resources to fulfill the needs and have no practical legal means of acquiring them, so they turn to illegal means of acquiring resources and things escalate from there.

I support helping Snow White because law enforcement is supposed to take the criminals alive if at all possible. I'd be perfectly willing to help the Privateers to if they weren't making it an either-or choice. Considering the Privateers are basically criminals themselves now, helping the drug dealer who doesn't appear to be going out of her way to start shit with people (and thus get people killed) first is just fine.

I support taking Snow White (and any Privateers we pick up) to the Protectorate because she's (and they are too now) a criminal. This also allows us to bring a new criminal element (the Privateers) to the attention of the proper law enforcement agencies.
 
Always Late said:
The false choice is fixing what's there. You've blown that out of the window, the rest of the Privateers are going to have to disband and pray they don't get arrested or killed, and proven the Privateers as an entity are beyond reform. If you don't see that, we need to have a, as my folks would call it, 'come to jesus' talk.

Reforming the moderates into a new group is something you have yet to establish, given the aforementioned facts.

Which are you trying to do?
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Fixing the Privateers is NOT a false choice. It's possible. Hard, and you'd have to devote a substantial amount of time to it in the next couple of arcs and probably wind up kicking out Martinez and a couple of others, but it is possible. That you don't see it as a legitimate option shows that you've already written them off as salvageable, not that they aren't salvageable in actuality. Like I said before, if you want to go down this route, you need to vote right now for siding with them.

Taking a couple of the more moderate members on in some other capacity is an idea that I'm still toying with and have not yet made a decision on. It wouldn't be something done in this arc, and it would be dependent on not siding with the Privateers as a whole in their current form.

EDIT: Hell, redeeming the Privateers wouldn't even be out of theme of the crossover. Show me one season of Nanoha where the villain's redemption wasn't a major plot element.
 
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Nope. I think it's time we take charge of this situation. The Privateers are leaping head first down a steep slope and we need to be the wall they smash into. I say Ring Bind the offenders and teleport everyone to the PRT. Place them under arrest and then seize control of what's left of the organization once we have removed the militant faction.

Is this possible @Silently Watches
 
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I'm of the opinion that salvaging the Privateers at this point is more or less a waste of time and effort. We spend many arks concentrating on it, losing out on a bunch of other options, all to get... What? A bunch of people we've had to fight to not let them be murderers behind our back? I think it's better to just leave it, take the ones who are fine with us and we're fine with them, and leave the others be.
 
Silently Watches said:
Fixing the Privateers is NOT a false choice. It's possible. Hard, and you'd have to devote a substantial amount of time to it in the next couple of arcs and probably wind up kicking out Martinez and a couple of others, but it is possible. That you don't see it as a legitimate option shows that you've already written them off as salvageable, not that they aren't salvageable in actuality. Like I said before, if you want to go down this route, you need to vote right now for siding with them.
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Are you not reading a word I say?
DestinyPlayer said:
I'm of the opinion that salvaging the Privateers at this point is more or less a waste of time and effort. We spend many arks concentrating on it, losing out on a bunch of other options, all to get... What? A bunch of people we've had to fight to not let them be murderers behind our back? I think it's better to just leave it, take the ones who are fine with us and we're fine with them, and leave the others be.
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Are you blind to what everyone else is saying?
Silently Watches, you made it so the only way we'd reform the privateers is to participate and condone the very actions we are looking to stop, and have been working to stop for a long time. We'd be hypocrites.

That. Is. A. False. Choice.
 
DestinyPlayer said:
I'm of the opinion that salvaging the Privateers at this point is more or less a waste of time and effort. We spend many arks concentrating on it, losing out on a bunch of other options, all to get... What? A bunch of people we've had to fight to not let them be murderers behind our back? I think it's better to just leave it, take the ones who are fine with us and we're fine with them, and leave the others be.
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Its Not that simple considering Taylor lives with kurt but yea I agree we should leave them.
 
Tyrant's Bane said:
Nope. I think it's time we take charge of this situation. The Privateers are leaping head first down a steep slope and we need to be the wall they smash into. I say Ring Bind the offenders and teleport everyone to the PRT. Place them under arrest and then seize control of what's left of the organization once we have removed the militant faction.

Is this possible @Silently Watches
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It's possible, but there's a better than even chance that delaying this will see Snow White die. Not to mention, you can't Ring Bind all the offenders currently there.
 
Silently Watches said:
Oy, eyes off the ideas I'm still kicking around in my head.

If I understand your question right, the reason the Privateers is after Fairyland is that they've been fighting this gang since the move to Philly in Arc 4. Of the four original "big gangs", Fairyland was the weakest, and thus the Privateers focused on them first just like they were originally focusing on the Merchants back in BB. There was no specific event that kicked everything off.

You don't know anything IC about her motivations (which boiled down to "money good, drugs make money"). As for villain group matching the Undersiders… eh?
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Thanks for the clarification. My question was more are you going to throw us a sucker punch no matter which option we choose. Option A, Privateers are total black hat here, see Narco kill Narco or Option B, Privateers are Grey Coat Avenger, little Timmy just OD'd when he got into his older brother's stash, rawr drugs bad. The only way to come out ahead in my opinion is to side with Kurt but that's obviously not going to happen with how the vote is going.

It still wouldn't change my vote. I think if Taylor breaks ranks with the Privateers here she'll be stuck with a turn coat stigma. Although for an interlude it would be interesting to see what the national opinion is? Are non-parahumans fighting back? Is this kind of vigilantism on the rise or is it a hold over from Danny's power?
 
Silently Watches said:
It's possible, but there's a better than even chance that delaying this will see Snow White die. Not to mention, you can't Ring Bind all the offenders currently there.
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Best solution then would be to have Sam or Taylor teleport her, make a quick inform through Dragon, Then begin arresting people. Should be fairly quick and only take a few minutes at best. They don't have teleporters after all.
 
Silently Watches said:
Fixing the Privateers is NOT a false choice. It's possible. Hard, and you'd have to devote a substantial amount of time to it in the next couple of arcs and probably wind up kicking out Martinez and a couple of others, but it is possible. That you don't see it as a legitimate option shows that you've already written them off as salvageable, not that they aren't salvageable in actuality. Like I said before, if you want to go down this route, you need to vote right now for siding with them.
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we are pressed enough for time as is. so that's not a realistic option.
 
Sigh... this is basically going the way of Lisa in that people are voting out of spite.

We are definitely losing Lacy as a mage over some butthurt feelings.
 
LightLan said:
we are pressed enough for time as is. so that's not a realistic option.
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The next CYOA arc is pure social, so you'd have time to make a start. After that, you would need to choose to invest your time in them. If that's at the expense of other choices? That's your decision.

Nothing is free. You want the Privateers that badly, you need to show me you want them.
Always Late said:
Are you not reading a word I say?

Are you blind to what everyone else is saying?
Silently Watches, you made it so the only way we'd reform the privateers is to participate and condone the very actions we are looking to stop, and have been working to stop for a long time. We'd be hypocrites.

That. Is. A. False. Choice.
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Vote for the Privateers, then. I'll prove this wrong.

I said it in my last response to you, but it was an edit so you probably missed it. Redemption is one of the core themes of Nanoha. If you want it badly enough, I dare you to pursue it.
 
Mhm. Pickle.

On the one hand, I am one of those people who think that Bet would be much improved by Capes acting more like actual police (ie, shooting to kill when appropriate, rather than after a 20 step intervention process and trial in absentia). So i dont necessarily object to either killing Snow White or letting her die. I generally find the drug trade to be particularly repugnant... assuming they are dealing in hard drugs and not just weed or something like that. The idea that she was helpful against a common enemy (which she would have had to fight anyway, just got to do it with the Protectorate and Taylor as backup) somehow grants her reprieve from her crimes is a very slippery slope and the sorta thing that tends to get jumped on in other Worm fics.

On the other hand, we cant have a band of literal marauders running around armed with our tech killing everyone on the other side. Thats going to screw us pretty badly and as i recall (remind me if wrong) Fairyland is one of the groups that plays by the rules and doesnt kill people.. so using lethal force against them is much more questionable than it would be against say, the E88. The Privateers are basically acting like Tagg here... they seem not to realize that not being capes doesnt mean the rules dont apply to them. If they kill capes they are going to be annihilated with extreme prejudice as cape powers are way more dangerous in general than they are. They will get hit at home, or in their sleep. It is not too late yet, but if this Snow dies, and/or this happens more than once they can kiss the tee-a-tee they have with the cape community (which they dont even realize they have) goodbye.

Frankly, from a purely selfish point of view we stand to gain alot more having a reputation as a reasonable hero who will even save a Villain than we would get by people thinking we are some sort of semi-psychotic hardliner they cant trust not to murder them. Furthermore we need to make sure Tim ends up in our camp and not considered a member of the Privateers. A tinker who armed his friends who then went nuts with power is one thing, and forgiveable as long as he stops. Knowingly arming murderers will quickly get him on the shitlist which we cant afford. We need him.

So. Help the villain, keep Tim close.

[X] Help Snow White
[X] Take the wounded to Shipwright so he can perform emergency surgery.
 
Honestly, it's a bit controversial of an opinion, but, well... I see what the Privateers intend on doing as worse than the druggies? Exploiting and racketeering people is bad, yes, but honestly, drugs aren't that much of an abomination. They're still awful, but hell, Alcohol is even officially more addictive than most of the usual top-level drugs.

Soo yeah. The aggressively militant and murderous Privateers are worse in my book than the simply drug-dealing and racketeering Fairy Tales. The "evil" part of the Merchants was that they were willing to murder and force people onto drugs, while from what I can tell, the Fairy Tales at least stick to willing customers.
 
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Silently Watches said:
The next CYOA arc is pure social, so you'd have time to make a start. After that, you would need to choose to invest your time in them. If that's at the expense of other choices? That's your decision.

Nothing is free. You want the Privateers that badly, you need to show me you want them.
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... we have shown that we now want them. There are people who've been arguing laboriously to fix them. That bloc lost one fucking vote, and you throw this shit at us.
Silently Watches said:
Vote for the Privateers, then. I'll prove this wrong.

I said it in my last response to you, but it was an edit so you probably missed it. Redemption is one of the core themes of Nanoha. If you want it badly enough, I dare you to pursue it.
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We do not want bloodthirsty idiots who are, in your own damn words:
Silently Watches said:
probably wind up kicking out Martinez and a couple of others,
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,unable to be redeemed.

I have heard enough.
 
ChaoticSky said:
Frankly, from a purely selfish point of view we stand to gain alot more having a reputation as a reasonable hero who will even save a Villain than we would get by people thinking we are some sort of semi-psychotic hardliner they cant trust not to murder them. Furthermore we need to make sure Tim ends up in our camp and not considered a member of the Privateers. A tinker who armed his friends who then went nuts with power is one thing, and forgiveable as long as he stops. Knowingly arming murderers will quickly get him on the shitlist which we cant afford. We need him.

So. Help the villain, keep Tim close.

[X] Help Snow White
[X] Take the wounded to Shipwright so he can perform emergency surgery.
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the vote which I advocate does likely save Snow White's life. it will also get her arrested by the PRT.

What this does is, show that we do not go for the kill against people that also do not do that.
It also shows that we still will arrest them if we can get them.

Also Tim himself mentioned before he might have to curtail access to his tech. After today he might. With a little talking to from us he definitely will.
 
[X] Help Snow White
[X] Take the wounded to Shipwright so he can perform emergency surgery.

The vote is a bit of a lose-lose no matter what we go for, but this option feels most in character.
 
Really enjoyed the conversation between Missy and Dragon. Especially because we knew their reasoning which makes it all the more frustrating for Taylor that her friends can't see eye to eye. Speaking of not seeing eye to eye, it seems like things with the Privateers are coming to a head. I can't wait to see the consequences of this vote.

[X] Help Snow White
[X] Take the wounded to Shipwright so he can perform emergency surgery.

As for voting, while they do have the supplies I don't think going to the Protectorate is the right answer. They will ask Taylor some pointed questions which will reveal some uncomfortable truths about her cape team. As a result, they definitely won't allow Missy to get her upgrades if they find out the trouble that is brewing within the Privateers. Also not to mention the fact that Taylor lives with one of the people in the disruptive faction so revealing that turmoil will boil over to her life at home.

I think picking Shipwright is the right option so we can make sure that Tim is on our side and make him realize that he'll have to restrict access to his tech. Furthermore, it will give us more time to get a handle on the situation and secure our allies (Tim, Lacey and the moderates).
 
[X] Help Snow White
[X] Take the wounded to Shipwright so he can perform emergency surgery.

Okay, that makes sense. Now I see more of a reason to take Snow White to Shipwright rather than getting her arrested and talking with Tim later.
 
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