Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
[X] [Exile] UPM (0.9x)
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] Isolated island (1.5x)
You don't give the charismatic leader the ability to talk to people. You isolate him Andy let him live out his days in ignominy. There was a reason they did this to Napoleon. It's a pretty decent solution, all things considered.
At this point, sending him to the budding UPM would be bad. We don't want that sort of unifying influence to be present there. Assuming the domestic politics of the UPM is similar to the USA at this point, 'Haxia ('Merica) won't be relevant for quite some time due to internal squabbling and massively (internally) powerful provinces. We have a good half century (assuming no other disruptions) before a civil war either tears them apart or welds the remnants together. Things generally seem to be following the same script over there. Generally. Though I don't recall any sort of war on the pacific coast between the Spanish and the Russians or English.
@Academia Nut is the UPM practicing slavery in the same manner as the USA did at this point?
[X] [Exile] Volitarn (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] Isolated island (1.5x)
You don't give the charismatic leader the ability to talk to people. You isolate him Andy let him live out his days in ignominy. There was a reason they did this to Napoleon. It's a pretty decent solution, all things considered.
At this point, sending him to the budding UPM would be bad. We don't want that sort of unifying influence to be present there. Assuming the domestic politics of the UPM is similar to the USA at this point, 'Haxia ('Merica) won't be relevant for quite some time due to internal squabbling and massively (internally) powerful provinces. We have a good half century (assuming no other disruptions) before a civil war either tears them apart or welds the remnants together. Things generally seem to be following the same script over there. Generally. Though I don't recall any sort of war on the pacific coast between the Spanish and the Russians or English.
@Academia Nut is the UPM practicing slavery in the same manner as the USA did at this point?
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Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Wait, what treaty? I'm pretty sure the treaty is already happening right now, that's why we're voting on what to do with Hohozyn.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
If I didn't know any better I'd say those were MTG forest cards from Ravnica.
- Location
- Hell
But think how hilarious it would be to have Bolivar/Napoleon all be the same guy
- Location
- Hell
Sorry, I meant our constitution amendments.
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
- Send Advisors to Khem
- Send Faron to Khem
- ???
- Profit
7 PW, since we have +1 during midturn, but I am very against Transport infrastructure this turn. If we have 1 free PW, it should be spent on a diplomacy with the one of the duchies.
- Location
- Hell
Yes, but we want the Nohon to be distracted by their Mahaxian colonies, that way we have an easier time of taking prime beach estate for ourselves.
Wiadi
Uncompromising Radical Leftist
- Location
- Something Clever
- Pronouns
- She/Her
[X] [Advisors] Yes - Gain +3 Prestige immediately, gain another iteration of the Sending Advisors effect (-1 Armies, +1 SoL, prestige transfers)
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
Yeah, alright, let's see where this takes us.
[X] [Exile] Khemetri (0.8x)
Yeah, alright, let's see where this takes us.
- Location
- Hell
And I am very much against not taking it. Having our hinterlands untouched is killing our science and happiness stats.
Honestly, we should be saving all of our PW for crushing the Guilds in the Constitutional Convention.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
Thats a ridiculous logical fallacy borne out of literary drama. Just because their enemies are ours, doesn't make them friends. The UPM are not our friends for very good reasons, in particular because our entire governmental system and ideology runs in opposition to theirs. Why you think Faron likes us I don't know, but sending Faron there would unify them under him and set them further against us.
Unifying the not!USA this early is a bad thing.
HanEmpire
Delicious
I think he meant the Constitution Reform.
So a couple of highlights:
Best not to tip the balance there.
...also its kind of dumb to go into a bloody shooting war with the arms manufacturers...
The Hung have lost their crown. The Nohon may seek to renegotiate their relationship by force soon, which is an opportunity for us I think.
Highly volatile here, the Black Sheep are dropping fast due to our Prestige suction on them, but their reformed military would see them in good stead later on.
The Vortuga...well, they'e fucked and moving on momentum at present.
The monument is actually a good idea in some ways, if we erect it we get to set the tone of how the war will be remembered...at the expense of making sure it'd never be forgotten. An important part of a successful conquest is making sure that you invest in so they don't have such strong forces pushing them to break off after all.
And here, the colonies are basically stuffed full of dissents ruled by distant lords. Its a gunpowder keg waiting to blow...well if only we had the transportation to GET there
And here, we discovered the Nohon claim on Mahaxia is more or less ideal for us. Just enough to keep everyone distracted from what we're doing.
Best not to tip the balance there.
And HERE...we have the liberals siding with the Crown. We have some opportunities for Constitutional adjustments if we start it next turn, because the Guilds are digging themselves a deeper hole by giving us the excuse to discipline them and further reduce their power.
...also its kind of dumb to go into a bloody shooting war with the arms manufacturers...
The Hung have lost their crown. The Nohon may seek to renegotiate their relationship by force soon, which is an opportunity for us I think.
We're up to 3rd!
Highly volatile here, the Black Sheep are dropping fast due to our Prestige suction on them, but their reformed military would see them in good stead later on.
The Vortuga...well, they'e fucked and moving on momentum at present.
lol
Sure, but it's not a critical solve now problem. I would like to take turn after that, when we have PW to spend and probably a higher IC cap, but if we do nothing, Tortun republic will reunite in no time.
pbluekan
Somethin's Fucky ...
- Location
- Trumpistan
One of the only things holding us back is our economy and stagnating scientific development courtesy of the guilds. I agree with the push for changes next turn to help draw the Liberals towards our political circle.
- Location
- madison
so I have an idea, could we help tortun reunify? hear me out, they are going to be a headache that we're not really going to be able to solve long-term via force of arms, but if we make a point of allying with them? or at least end up close enough allies that we settle things with deals rather than wars? then we'd have a fairly secure flank. A hand in setting up the alliances would be a good way to get good will to us ground into their culture from the word go.
Not sure how well our interests would compete or align, but a nonaggression treaty with them would be amazing.
Not sure how well our interests would compete or align, but a nonaggression treaty with them would be amazing.
- Location
- Illinois
Man. You got to feel for these guys.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
- Location
- ꙮ
I'll be voting to expand our transportation infrastructure. It's too good of an opportunity for painless expenditure of temp IC. And I'm not particularly concerned about a rapid reunification of the Tortuns, though this may be a case of the Bystander Effect.
- Location
- Hell
My initial point was, that even then, it would not have been enough. 7 is rather low to go into it.
The thing is that it takes a lot of time to regrow our Industrial Capacity after we spend it. Even with the expanded Capacity if we can get it immediately would not lead to a sudden 6. We need to work on it soonest.
And this all ignores the other thing I brought up that this is an AN quest. Something will always pop up :/