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Warhammer Fantasy: Divided Loyalties - an Advisor's Quest

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veekie said:
Like...every single thing you listed would be pretty terrible to botch on Overwork though? If we skip the grand larceny options and meddling in succession, theres nothing safe to overwork on but training.
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If we botch saltpeter, we waste a bunch of money. If we botch attaché expansion, then maybe the attaché program falls apart- though the requirement for success on that roll should be pretty low. Avoiding the spells for overwork is sensible, but we can shuffle the Overwork tags to the lowest-impact if they fail and the actions which we expect to have the highest success ratio in the first place.

Don't refuse to move quickly in situations when it's appropriate to move quickly because of fear. Bad rolls happen but they don't happen all the time, and we have a lot to get done here. If you aren't willing to risk anything else then at least shove a training action into the overwork slot so that we can accomplish more.

veekie said:
Assume actions are carried out intelligently, it'd involve approaching and assessing Watchmen with Ranaldite sentiments to be converted, with the aid of the current, Ranaldite captain.

The long term benefit for us is being able to use the Blessing on the Watch.
With the Blessing, reasonably safe from botching the implementation, though regular failure is likely, I want to try
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And speaking of places to fear bad rolls, holy shit is this dangerous. Mathilde can't spread Ranald subtly only to people who have suitable sentiments because her objective isn't to build a cult to Ranald, it's to remove faith in Sigmar from the Watch. That means the men need a god who replaces Sigmar in their hearts- one they can openly pray to, who they can swear by while drinking, who they can consider theirs whether their lips are loose or sealed. A success in this action (and potential future actions in the chain) will mean that the Watch is converted and they are not going to be shy about letting others know it.

And on that note, you know that Ranald cults are sometimes executed in their entirety when discovered, right? "Worships Ranald" might be acceptable in some places but in others it's very much not, and the one who makes that call is the one in charge. If the next Elector Count doesn't like us and wants to firmly put his own people into control, the fact that we converted (or attempted conversion of) the Watch is grounds for not only our removal but a purge of everything we've put into place on the grounds that it's no longer reliable and serves as a ready-made set of organizers for an uprising. Notice also that your plan does not influence the selection of the new Elector Count at all.

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if we could swing this such that Ranald is acceptable for open worship in Stirland like in Marienburg, but we can only do that under a friendly Elector Count. Converting the whole primary urban security organization is not subtle and constitutes open worship; if we have not ensured that the Elector Count is friendly then it's playing with fire. And gunpowder. If you really want to go with Ranald, delay the action until we know the Elector Count is friendly and won't pull the trigger on the loaded gun pointed at our skull we'll be handing him; otherwise please pick a different god.


 
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  • [X] Plan Mistress of Shadows
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government.
    -[X] Verena is the Goddess of Justice. Enshrine her as the patron goddess of the Stirland Watch.
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    -[X] Attend the Elector's Meet yourself, to take any opportunity that arises to manipulate events in your favour.
    -[X] Spend time with Gustav, securing his subordination to you.
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points) (NEW)
    --[X]Overwork
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Anton
    [X] Plan Protector Of Stirland
    -[X][Intel] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
    -[X][Watch] Expand the Watch into a new county or barony (choose which) (No Budgetary Impact due to expanded Gong Farming)
    --[X] Drakenhof
    -[X][Free] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly. (does not take an action)
    -[X][Personal] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    -[X][Free] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
    -[X][Free] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X][Personal] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
    --[X] Martial
    --[X] Diplomacy
    -[X][Personal] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Ranald is the God of Thieves, yes, but he's also the God of protecting the common folk. It's worth a shot, right?
    ---[X]Ranald's Blessing
    -[X][Social] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Kasmir
    [X] Plan Loyal to Van Hal
    -[X] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
    -[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points)
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Spend time with Anton, possibly talking about how good a candidate he would be - local support, known to external powers, and a few powerful friends supporting him, and so forth.
    --[X] Make sure both of your loyalties still ultimately lie with House Van Hal.
    -[X] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Verena is the Goddess of Justice. Enshrine her as the patron goddess of the Stirland Watch.
    -[X] Attend the Elector's Meet yourself, to take any opportunity that arises to manipulate events in your favour.
    -[X] Your experience with the so-called Fog of War has given you a lot of ideas for new applications of Ulgu.
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Kasmir
    [X] Plan Morally Grey Wizard:
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government.
    -[X] Verena is the Goddess of Justice. Enshrine her as the patron goddess of the Stirland Watch.
    -[X] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly.
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Your debt to Stirland is recorded in a handful of documents in the Archives, and the current Steward is leaving the position. If said documents were to be slightly altered at the right time, nobody would notice in the handover and your debt could evaporate.
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    -[X] There's never been less oversight on spending. Embezzlement now would be impossible to trace later. Scrape up whatever funds can still be found in the treasury, and pocket them.
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X] Your experience with the so-called Fog of War has given you a lot of ideas for new applications of Ulgu.
    -[X] Spend time with Anton, possibly talking about how good a candidate he would be - local support, known to external powers, and a few powerful friends supporting him, and so forth. (Overwork)
    -[X] Spend time with Gustav, securing his subordination to you. (Overwork)
    [X] Plan for Abelhelm and Stirland
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government. (NEW-ish)
    -[X] Grungni, the principal Dwarf Ancestor God, actually has some following among the Stirlandian populace - and he is their Lawgiver to boot. Bring in a few priests to make it happen. (-1 Dwarf Favour)
    -[X] (1)As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    -[X] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
    -[X] (2)Concentrate the gathered information on undead types in Sylvania into a single dense tome and publish it. It's likely to be of some use and interest to Morrites and Amethyst Wizards. Not ground-breaking, but a nice feather in your academic cap nonetheless.
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] (3) Spend time with Anton, possibly talking about how good a candidate he would be - local support, known to external powers, and a few powerful friends supporting him, and so forth.
    -[X] (4)Attend the Elector's Meet yourself, to take any opportunity that arises to manipulate events in your favour. Try to put Anton on the throne.
    -[X] (5)Information Network: Work alongside to Julia to administer the network. Choose another Organizational Action for the Network.
    --[X] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
    -[X] (ADDITIONAL)(6)Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Attempt to hire administrators and clerks from Altdorf and Nuln.
    ---[X]Ranald's Blessing
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action) Wilhelmina
    -[X] (ADDITIONAL) (7) Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    [X] [Plan] Forming a group
    [X] Plan Mistress of Shadows Without the embezzlement
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government.
    -[X] Verena is the Goddess of Justice. Enshrine her as the patron goddess of the Stirland Watch.
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Attend the Elector's Meet yourself, to take any opportunity that arises to manipulate events in your favour.
    -[X] Spend time with Gustav, securing his subordination to you.
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points) (NEW)
    --[X][Overwork] Expand the ranks of the Watch, so that they're able to start covering even the poorer parts of their covered area.(-1 Budget Points)
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Anton
    [X] Read the Liber Mortis.
    [X] Plan Improving Mathilde and the Watch
    -[X][Intel] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
    -[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points) (NEW)
    -[X][Free] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly. (does not take an action)
    -[X][Personal] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X][Free] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
    -[X][Free] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X][Personal] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
    --[X] Martial
    -[X][Personal] Read the Liber Mortis. (NEW)
    -[X][Personal] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Grungni, the principal Dwarf Ancestor God, actually has some following among the Stirlandian populace - and he is their Lawgiver to boot. Bring in a few priests to make it happen. (-1 Dwarf Favour)
    -[X][Social] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Anton
    [X] Plan Mo Money Mo Magic
    -[X] Open a dialogue with Zhufbar, offering an information exchange.
    -[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities and call in favours to bring a dwarvern expert in. (-1 Budget Point, -2 Dwarf Favours) (NEW)
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Visit the Amethyst Wizards in Altdorf and ask what the hell they were playing at.
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Attend the Elector's Meet yourself, to take any opportunity that arises to manipulate events in your favour.
    -[X] Enchantment: You're naturally talented at enchantment; so far, this just amounts to being able to make your desk meow for about an hour. See if you can improve on that, or at least figure out a way to make that useful.
    -[X] Your experience with the so-called Fog of War has given you a lot of ideas for new applications of Ulgu. (NEW)
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Wilhelmina's kids
    [X] Plan: Second Things Second
    -[X] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
    -[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points)
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Also ask our master if there's any chance he could put his weight behind Anton while we're there. He's a good candidate with love for Stirland.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Spend time with Anton, possibly talking about how good a candidate he would be - local support, known to external powers, and a few powerful friends supporting him, and so forth.
    --[X] Make sure both of your loyalties still ultimately lie with House Van Hal.
    -[X] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Grungni, the principal Dwarf Ancestor God, actually has some following among the Stirlandian populace - and he is their Lawgiver to boot. Bring in a few priests to make it happen. (-1 Dwarf Favour)
    -[X] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned.
    --[X] Martial
    --[X] Diplomacy
    -[X] Free actions:
    --[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    --[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Wilhelmina. (does not take an action)
    [X] [Plan] Forming a group
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government.
    -[X] Verena is the Goddess of Justice. Enshrine her as the patron goddess of the Stirland Watch.
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    -[X] Spend time with Anton, possibly talking about how good a candidate he would be - local support, known to external powers, and a few powerful friends supporting him, and so forth.
    -[X] Spend time with Wilhelmina. As emptied as the treasury of Stirland was by the campaign, the EIC may be the wealthiest institution in the province.
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[x] Regimand Speiseschrank
    [X] Plan Powerbase
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government.
    -[X] Grungni, the principal Dwarf Ancestor God, actually has some following among the Stirlandian populace - and he is their Lawgiver to boot. Bring in a few priests to make it happen. (-1 Dwarf Favour)
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    -[X] Visit the Amethyst Wizards in Altdorf and ask what the hell they were playing at.
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Your debt to Stirland is recorded in a handful of documents in the Archives, and the current Steward is leaving the position. If said documents were to be slightly altered at the right time, nobody would notice in the handover and your debt could evaporate.
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    [X] Plan Military Industrial Tycoon
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government. (NEW-ish)
    -[X] Grungni, the principal Dwarf Ancestor God, actually has some following among the Stirlandian populace - and he is their Lawgiver to boot. Bring in a few priests to make it happen. (-1 Dwarf Favour)
    -[X] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly. (does not take an action)
    -[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Spend time with Gustav, securing his subordination to you.
    -[X] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
    --[X] Martial
    -[X] Your experience with the so-called Fog of War has given you a lot of ideas for new applications of Ulgu. (NEW)
    -[X] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
    [X] Watch-Plan Playing it safe
    -[X] Trade Delegation: Convince Wilhelmina to partner your network with the EIC based on the value of market information. Especially likely to work since Wilhelmina will soon be losing her position of power in Stirland's government. (NEW-ish)
    -[X] Verena is the Goddess of Justice. Enshrine her as the patron goddess of the Stirland Watch.
    [X]Plan SPEND SPEND SPEND
    [X] Personal Plan Self-Focus
    -[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Concentrate the gathered information on undead types in Sylvania into a single dense tome and publish it. It's likely to be of some use and interest to Morrites and Amethyst Wizards. Not ground-breaking, but a nice feather in your academic cap nonetheless.
    -[X] Though the Haunted Hills have always technically belonged to the Elector Count, they've suddenly skyrocketed in value. If you could backdate some purchases from the Elector Count, you could make a killing reselling them, and still retain your own slice of prime grazelands.
    -[X] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
    -[X] Martial
    -[X] Your experience with the so-called Fog of War has given you a lot of ideas for new applications of Ulgu. (NEW)
    -[X] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
    --[X] Kasmir
    [X] Plan What We Do In The Lack of Official Oversight
    -[X] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
    -[X] Expand the ranks of the Watch, so that they're able to start covering even the poorer parts of their covered area. (-1 Budget Point)
    -[X] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned.
    --[X] Diplomacy
    --[X] Martial (Overwork)
    -[X] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly.
    --[X] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
    --[X] Ranalds Blessing
    -[X] Attend the Elector's Meet yourself, to take any opportunity that arises to manipulate events in your favour.
    -[X] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
    --[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities and call in favours to bring a dwarvern expert in. (-1 Budget Point, -2 Dwarf Favours)
    -[X] Thieves Guild: It's currently little more than a church group, albeit of a very unconventional god. If it could be expanded under your aegis, it could be a powerful tool.
    -[X] Free actions:
    --[X] Free Time: Kasmir
    --[X] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
    --[X] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
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Verena is a bad idea, but Ranald is a worse idea.
Though I still don't get why people were so against Shallya that no one made a plan for her.
[X] Plan Mistress of Shadows
 
DarkLight140 said:
If we botch saltpeter, we waste a bunch of money. If we botch attaché expansion, then maybe the attaché program falls apart- though the requirement for success on that roll should be pretty low. Avoiding the spells for overwork is sensible, but we can shuffle the Overwork tags to the lowest-impact if they fail and the actions which we expect to have the highest success ratio in the first place.

Don't refuse to move quickly in situations when it's appropriate to move quickly because of fear. Bad rolls happen but they don't happen all the time, and we have a lot to get done here. If you aren't willing to risk anything else then at least shove a training action into the overwork slot so that we can accomplish more.

And speaking of places to fear bad rolls, holy shit is this dangerous. Mathilde can't spread Ranald subtly only to people who have suitable sentiments because her objective isn't to build a cult to Ranald, it's to remove faith in Sigmar from the Watch. That means the men need a god who replaces Sigmar in their hearts- one they can openly pray to, who they can swear by while drinking, who they can consider theirs whether their lips are loose or sealed. A success in this action (and potential future actions in the chain) will mean that the Watch is converted and they are not going to be shy about letting others know it.

And on that note, you know that Ranald cults are sometimes executed in their entirety when discovered, right? "Worships Ranald" might be acceptable in some places but in others it's very much not, and the one who makes that call is the one in charge. If the next Elector Count doesn't like us and wants to firmly put his own people into control, the fact that we converted (or attempted conversion of) the Watch is grounds for not only our removal but a purge of everything we've put into place on the grounds that it's no longer reliable and serves as a ready-made set of organizers for an uprising. Notice also that your plan does not influence the selection of the new Elector Count at all.

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be great if we could swing this such that Ranald is acceptable for open worship in Stirland like in Marienburg, but we can only do that under a friendly Elector Count. Converting the whole primary urban security organization is not subtle and constitutes open worship; if we have not ensured that the Elector Count is friendly then it's playing with fire. And gunpowder. If you really want to go with Ranald, delay the action until we know the Elector Count is friendly and won't pull the trigger on the loaded gun pointed at our skull we'll be handing him; otherwise please pick a different god.
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A fair point. I will create an altenate version of the plan that delays the ranald inflitration for a turn, and approval vote both of them until I see if it's viable.

[X] Plan Protector Of Stirland

[X]Plan No Gods Only Guns
-[X][Intel] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
-[X][Watch] Expand the Watch into a new county or barony (choose which) (No Budgetary Impact due to expanded Gong Farming)
--[X] Drakenhof
-[X][Free] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly. (does not take an action)
-[X][Personal] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
--[X]Ranald's Blessing
-[X][Free] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
-[X][Free] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
-[X][Personal] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
-[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
--[X] Martial
-[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
--[X] Diplomacy
-[X][Personal] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
--[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points)
-[X][Social] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
--[X] Kasmir
 
Night_stalker, I don't suppose we could convince you to switch 'spending an action making Gustav subordinate to you' on... whatever else? Practice, working out fog spells, anything that seems more urgent and liable to fade in our memories than trying to do something we've basically already accomplished enough for government work?

EDIT: Or what exactly we expect the trade delegation to do that would be more useful than getting the Watch costs under the aegis of the Stirlandian treasury.
 
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Personally my biggest issue with the Protector plan is that it isn't using Ranald's blessing on the action that gets rid of our puppet master.
 
Alliterate said:
If you want to do Magic Stuff, do Fog of War while it's fresh. We can at least discuss that before the Magister promotion panel, unlike a forbidden book of Nevromancy.
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Doing fog of war stuff seems rather difficult from the sounds of it where as it's pretty much impossible to screw up reading a book no matter the content. That being said I've decide to change the learning magic so that we leave it up to Ranald. After all if our god gives us the OK on reading the Liber Mortis then I've got faith that it's the right thing to do.

WorldSlayer said:
Trying for Ranald in the watch seems like a bit of a stretch, I'd like this plan much more if you swapped Ranald for Grungni and put the blessing on investigating the blackmail. Other than that I like this plan although I wouldn't mind swapping training diplomacy for a magic action.

Also I'd like it if the watch action was swapped for saltpeter production. Not only do we want to do that now for the budget benefits but currently our military is sitting on Drakenhof which means we don't have any rush to bring our watch there quite yet.

Also I'd prefer to spend time with Anton rather than Kasmir. I don't hate Kasmir or anything, it's just I don't want to spend time with him right now after his major failure.

... Yeah I just realized I swapped like half your actions just now.

[X] Plan Improving Mathilde and the Watch
-[X][Intel] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
-[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities using headhunted experts from Nuln. (-2 Budget Points) (NEW)
-[X][Free] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly. (does not take an action)
-[X][Personal] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
--[X] Ranald's Blessing
-[X][Free] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
-[X][Free] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
-[X][Personal] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
-[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
--[X] Martial
-[X][Personal] Learn magic, but flip a coin and trust in Ranald for which magic to learn
--[X] If heads Read the Liber Mortis. (NEW)
--[X] If tails Qhaysh Juice: Whatever it is, it's dripping out of the box at a steady rate. You've got several gallons of the stuff and it's still coming out. It's got to be good for something.
--[X] If other Your experience with the so-called Fog of War has given you a lot of ideas for new applications of Ulgu. (NEW)
-[X][Personal] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
--[X] Grungni, the principal Dwarf Ancestor God, actually has some following among the Stirlandian populace - and he is their Lawgiver to boot. Bring in a few priests to make it happen. (-1 Dwarf Favour)
-[X][Social] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
--[X] Anton



Anyway this plan is pretty simple, it mostly focuses on self improvement and also getting a better budget for the watch. The most important action here is investigating the blackmail which I've put the blessing on.

I'd be easily convinced for swapping the magic action to a different magic action such as learning a new spell if there's a decent argument for it. But I see some pretty impressive potential gains in studying the Liber Mortis just like how we got some pretty good gains with reading our last interesting magic book.


On other voting options:

I don't see much point in heading to the Elector's meet. Mathilde's a woman, a wizard, a former peasant and has no real contacts outside Stirland and Altdorf so her influence is going to be limited and with her low diplomacy score might actually backfire.

While stealing appropriating a bunch of land and selling it is tempting we don't really need the lump sum of gold, the increased operation expenses we can get with our other actions would be more beneficial and less skeevy.

As amusing as having Verena as the official god of the watch would be when it's secretly run by Ranald worshipers, it seems like the sort of thing that would probably end up with buildings on fire and losing our hat. Also bringing in Grungni seems particularly awesome since it would make our soon to be introduced dwarf investigator feel more at home.
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Anyway on a somewhat related note I didn't vote for coming back to Wurtbad so we could play politics or to try to subvert the government. I did it because all our stuff is there and I really want to finally do some bloody magic. I'm resolute in my decision to not vote for a plan that has no magic.
 
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DocMatoi said:
Verena is a bad idea, but Ranald is a worse idea.
Though I still don't get why people were so against Shallya that no one made a plan for her.
[X] Plan Mistress of Shadows
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Artemis1992 said:
[X] Plan Protector Of Stirland


Because pacifism seems like an extremly useless choice for an organisation like the Watch, even if it didn't consist mostly of veteran soldiers?
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Think it's the alleged Lamian infiltration thing, as well.
 
Seventeen said:
One, the Watch has no influence on what information we get from a region. That's from the information network. You can see this for yourself by looking at the Organizations threadmark and seeing that Potting, Worden, Kelham, Vigaun, and Nussbach all have the Watch present, but both of the counties they're in are at 'Feet' level information, requiring personal intervention to get anything.
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Incorrect. We get that first level of penetration from the Watch. The networks are linked. Expanding the Watch is basically a zero cost security + waste collection + Intel expansion at level 1 each.

And the garrison is an ARMY. They don't do sewers, they don't do tunnels, they don't deal with robberies and murders.

They deal with rebellion. But the Watch deals with the roots.
Guile said:
6 item votes over the course of 6 months equals out to around 1 item per month. Sometimes they're spread out so you spend 1/6th of your time for 6 months doing the thing instead, but generally speaking...
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Generally speaking, it involves delegation. And probably finding a Ranaldite priest by chance.
DarkLight140 said:
If we botch saltpeter, we waste a bunch of money. If we botch attaché expansion, then maybe the attaché program falls apart- though the requirement for success on that roll should be pretty low. Avoiding the spells for overwork is sensible, but we can shuffle the Overwork tags to the lowest-impact if they fail and the actions which we expect to have the highest success ratio in the first place.
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A fair point. Is there any objections to an Overwork Saltpeter production from others?
Sinsystems said:
Personally my biggest issue with the Protector plan is that it isn't using Ranald's blessing on the action that gets rid of our puppet master.
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Way I see it, the faith spreading is probably the riskiest and most unsupported. We got bonuses from Abelhelm's investigation and our Master supporting.
 
veekie said:
Way I see it, the faith spreading is probably the riskiest and most unsupported. We got bonuses from Abelhelm's investigation and our Master supporting.
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Well in that case I think it might be a good idea to forgo the faith spreading for a turn, eat the malus and pile on the bonuses to make sure our backers don't escape.
 
veekie said:
Incorrect. We get that first level of penetration from the Watch. The networks are linked. Expanding the Watch is basically a zero cost security + waste collection + Intel expansion at level 1 each.

And the garrison is an ARMY. They don't do sewers, they don't do tunnels, they don't deal with robberies and murders.

They deal with rebellion. But the Watch deals with the roots.

Generally speaking, it involves delegation. And probably finding a Ranaldite priest by chance.

A fair point. Is there any objections to an Overwork Saltpeter production from others?

Way I see it, the faith spreading is probably the riskiest and most unsupported. We got bonuses from Abelhelm's investigation and our Master supporting.
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I think attempting to spread the God of Thieves (and other some things) to a conservative, only-recently mollified law-enforcing Watch made up of war veterans... is another morale disaster in the making, could easily out us as a Randalite, and alienate large portions of the Watch.

I mean, I'd vote for it in favour of committing Grand Fraud, but I still think it's a terrible idea.

I'd rather spend the Dwarf favour on Grugni or whatever he's called. Or ignore it for a turn, and see whether we're even still going to be Spymistress after next turn, which we're just ignoring in your plan. Ranald and Grugni will probably both have higher difficulties than Verana, but we're just weird for trying to bring in Grugni, not a potential revolutionary in charge of the state security apparatus who has just made a play for the military.

Hmm. Is Saltpeter flammable or explosive? There are other ways botched rolls can go bad than lost gold.
 
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veekie said:
A fair point. Is there any objections to an Overwork Saltpeter production from others?
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Depends. Is misproducing saltpeter liable to cause us to explode?

I mean, I can't really guess how much 'Budget -2' is concretely, except that it's the most expensive possible thing to do with the Watch, isn't it?
 
veekie said:
Way I see it, the faith spreading is probably the riskiest and most unsupported. We got bonuses from Abelhelm's investigation and our Master supporting.
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Well in that case I think it might be a good idea to forgo the faith spreading for a turn, eat the malus and pile on the bonuses to make sure our backers don't escape.
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Thus, my plan. Get the expensive saltpeter stuff out of the way now, then deal with the religion next turn.
Alliterate said:
I think attempting to spread the God of Thieves (and other some things) to a conservative, only-recently mollified law-enforcing Watch made up of war veterans... is another morale disaster in the making, could easily out us as a Randalite, and alienate large portions of the Watch.

I mean, I'd vote for it in favour of committing Grand Fraud, but I still think it's a terrible idea.

I'd rather spend the Dwarf favour on Grugni or whatever he's called. Or ignore it for a turn, and see whether we're even still going to be Spymistress after next turn, which we're just ignoring in your plan. Ranald and Grugni will probably both have higher difficulties than Vernana, but we're just weird for trying to bring in Grugni, not a potential revolutionary in charge of the state security apparatus who has just made a play for the military.

Hmm. Is Saltpeter flammable or explosive? There are other ways botched rolls can go bad than lost gold.
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Guile said:
Depends. Is misproducing saltpeter liable to cause us to explode?

I mean, I can't really guess how much 'Budget -2' is concretely, except that it's the most expensive possible thing to do with the Watch, isn't it?
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It's an oxidizer, so it could make other fires worse, but it can't burn on its own.
 
Seventeen said:
There is a 'garrison', but it's an entire army division. If you think a couple of dozen watchmen are going to have any effect on public order, you have a massively skewed sense of scale.


You're overplaying the benefits and trying to divert attention away from the downsides. For example, it doesn't matter that Ranald isn't inherently tied to rebellion because the problem is all the people who associate him with it, not the god himself.


Kind of an empty promise. It's not going to happen because anyone who cares to object to your plan on the basis of Ranald isn't going to vote for it.



The Watch is irrelevant for both of those purposes in Drakenhof.

One, the Watch has no influence on what information we get from a region. That's from the information network. You can see this for yourself by looking at the Organizations threadmark and seeing that Potting, Worden, Kelham, Vigaun, and Nussbach all have the Watch present, but both of the counties they're in are at 'Feet' level information, requiring personal intervention to get anything.

Two, there is an entire army division in Drakenhof. The Watch isn't going to be able to do shit to stop necromancers that the army isn't already able to do just by being there. Internal attacks were even planned for.
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Unfortunately the vote is turning into this bad plan, or the slightly worse Grand Larceny plan.
 
veekie said:
Intel 1/1
Watch 1/1
Personal 5/5
Overwork 1/2
Blessing 1/1
Social 1/1
[X] Plan Protector Of Stirland
-[X][Intel] Special Branch: Pull some financial trickery to get the information network classified as part of the Watch, so that their costs are covered by the Stirlandian treasury.
-[X][Watch] Expand the Watch into a new county or barony (choose which) (No Budgetary Impact due to expanded Gong Farming)
--[X] Drakenhof
-[X][Free] Abelhelm left you with a list of notarized names. Pass them on to your Master and let the fireworks fly. (does not take an action)
-[X][Personal] As above, but insist on being a part of whatever happens.
-[X][Free] It may be a moot point, but you can still send off the entirety of information gathered on undead types in Sylvania to your string-pullers. (does not take an action)
-[X][Free] Buy out half of Markus' shares in the EIC. (does not take an action; increases your debt to Stirland)
-[X][Personal] Financial Jargon: Everything with the EIC flew right over your head last time. Try again. Succeeding here will mean that you can take a more active hand in the company, adding it to the organizational actions; failing or not attempting means Mathilde will remain a silent partner.
-[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
--[X] Martial
-[X][Personal] Practice, Practice, Practice: Having been thrown into the deep end of imperial politics, it would probably be a good idea to brush up on your skills and internalize the lessons you've learned (choose which trait; can be taken multiple times; will be more effective if you've used the trait a lot lately).
--[X] Diplomacy
-[X][Personal] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
--[X] Ranald is the God of Thieves, yes, but he's also the God of protecting the common folk. It's worth a shot, right?
-[X][Overwork] Stirland Watch: Work alongside Jack to administer the Watch. Choose another Organizational Action for the Watch.
--[X] Set up saltpeter production facilities and call in favours to bring a dwarvern expert in. (-1 Budget Point, -2 Dwarf Favours) (NEW)
---[X] Ranald's Blessing
-[X][Social] Free Time: Now well-established in Wurtbad, you can spend some time in your scant off hours getting to know someone better. Pick one character. (does not take an action)
--[X] Kasmir
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