While trying to entreat the notables in affairs of magic is wise, Lys is not a magocracy. It is run by the magisters, slavers, slavers who are utterly paranoid and fearful of us, who rightly fear what we represent.

They know full well that we are associated with weirwoods, they know full well what our goals and plans are via all of our passionate speeches. They will lash out, because in their eyes, this is nothing less than the culmination of all their fears, for Viserys Targaryen has come to break their whole rotting edifice.
 
You do know something of it, it just never came up IC. I'll write up a bit of a political informational post based on what your spies picked up in a bit.
Great. Maybe that Demons Folly Interlude afterwards?

@Diomedon, we should wait for that post and then re-evaluate our options. If we play it right, we can start a slow take-over here.

[X] Abstain until further intel is available.
 
Great. Maybe that Demons Folly Interlude afterwards?

@Diomedon, we should wait for that post and then re-evaluate our options. If we play it right, we can start a slow take-over here.

[X] Abstain until further intel is available.
@DragonParadox, if we go with this will you give us all the information on the stuff the Lich stashed away in his Secret Chest, the changes to the Flesh Forge, and how the Tree interacts with the Ley Lines?
 
While trying to entreat the notables in affairs of magic is wise, Lys is not a magocracy. It is run by the magisters, slavers, slavers who are utterly paranoid and fearful of us, who rightly fear what we represent.

They know full well that we are associated with weirwoods, they know full well what our goals and plans are via all of our passionate speeches. They will lash out, because in their eyes, this is nothing less than the culmination of all their fears, for Viserys Targaryen has come to break their whole rotting edifice.

You're overstating things. Most of our speeches have been about "uniting against the darkness and monsters," and we've not yet actually taken a slave city and freed the slaves. They shouldn't be at the panic point they were with Dany, breaker of chains, in canon.

Great. Maybe that Demons Folly Interlude afterwards?

@Diomedon, we should wait for that post and then re-evaluate our options. If we play it right, we can start a slow take-over here.

[X] Abstain until further intel is available.

A slow take-over might be overreaching, but something in that direction to induce paralysis and slow decision making in their conclave would be great, and was what I was aiming for.

[X] Abstain until further intel is available.
 
Great. Maybe that Demons Folly Interlude afterwards?

@Diomedon, we should wait for that post and then re-evaluate our options. If we play it right, we can start a slow take-over here.

[X] Abstain until further intel is available.

[X] Plan Accidentally A City
-[X] Port to SD. Tell everyone that we are mobilising right now. The Shadow Tower and the Legion are to be prepared for deployment.
-[X] Take Xor, Garin and Tyene along. Also the Iron Golems.
-[X] Dany, Garin and Tyene will accompany our guest to the hidden market of Lys to gather intel. Bribe her well if necessary and offer her a job.
-[X] Viserys and Lya inspect the Fleshforge.
-[X] Xor, guarded by the rest, errects a curtain wall around the tree as a staging area.
-[X] Once everyone is back, prepare to cast all the divinations.
-[X] Also get the bedroll for a powernap for Viserys.
 
Best case we reach a cordial agreement with a few gaping holes that allow us to be obnoxious bastards. If we declare the tree a sacred peace zone, we will always have the moral high ground when they attack us.
 
I'm hoping to find a faction that is currently marginalised and understands the old addage "It's better to be second then to be on fire."

Possible, depending on how complete our picture of the local noble houses are. Wasn't finding that sort of house what we wanted Glyra and Maelor to do when they were instead being efficiently chased out of town?
 
You're overstating things. Most of our speeches have been about "uniting against the darkness and monsters," and we've not yet actually taken a slave city and freed the slaves. They shouldn't be at the panic point they were with Dany, breaker of chains, in canon.

Eh... didja miss the speech(es?) when we went on about how the masters fear us, how they fear what Sorcerer's Deep represents and all that jazz? Seriously, we've made no secret of our plans.

On the contrary, we've made it clear that slavers are on our shitlist, for we've made them persona non grata in the Stepstones, a vital trade route.

[X] Goldfish
 
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Eh... didja miss the speech(es?) when we went on about how the masters fear us, how they fear what Sorcerer's Deep represents and all that jazz? Seriously, we've made no secret of our plans.

On the contrary, we've made it clear that slavers are on our shitlist, we've made them persona non grata in the Stepstones, a vital trade route.

[X] Goldfish

And if we state it was a cynical means to gain power and loyalty of our subjects to then invade Westeros, a place where slavery has always had no place, do you think the cynical slaveholders will believe we are an anti-slavery ideologue, or someone who is trying to get a slave army that isn't a slave army so we can use it in Westeros? After all, we seem so reasonable, intelligent, and charming, and reasonable, intelligent and charming people (like them) understand slavery's place in Essos. If we include talk about how we intend to end piracy in the stepstones and establish a toll instead to make trade through the stepstones less costly overall for everyone (And enriching ourselves), it'll be signalling to them a "return to normal trade," that is the slave trade.

Our failure to correct this misunderstanding isn't our fault, mind you.
 
[X] Goldfish
:rofl::rofl::lol:lol oh gods we did accidentally a city, i was betting on pentos but Lys is just as well.
I now claim partial precognitive abilities.
 
Which is why we've send Maelor and Glyra to dig deeper. You know. People with actual competence.

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It's saying a lot that an upjumped tiefling street urchin and a Gremlin are more competent then him.
Not really, those 2 are more competent than a lot of people, they aren't at the high end of political competence, but they aren't at the low end either.
 
And if we state it was a cynical means to gain power and loyalty of our subjects to then invade Westeros, a place where slavery has always had no place, do you think the cynical slaveholders will believe we are an anti-slavery ideologue, or someone who is trying to get a slave army that isn't a slave army so we can use it in Westeros? After all, we seem so reasonable, intelligent, and charming, and reasonable, intelligent and charming people (like them) understand slavery's place in Essos. If we include talk about how we intend to end piracy in the stepstones and establish a toll instead to make trade through the stepstones less costly overall for everyone (And enriching ourselves), it'll be signalling to them a "return to normal trade," that is the slave trade.

Our failure to correct this misunderstanding isn't our fault, mind you.

Eh, I really doubt this would fly. It might have if we hadn't made slavers persona non grata, but we've likely cost Lys who knows how much in trade, in blood and in influence. Heck, Saan was said to be their man, now he's ours.

I wouldn't be surprised if they downright despise us, for we're the biggest threat since the Band of Nine. No, we're worse than that, for while the Band of Nine might have been mighty, they were no bullshithax sorcerers with a hateboner for slavery. I wasn't joking when I said they'd have to be as gullible as Lysa to buy this load of horseshit disguised as pearls.
 
Lyseni politics:

Lys was never a military outpost therefore its laws and customs reflect not the power of the sword or even directly the coin but the courtier, goblet dagger and word all envenomed, these are the weapons of Lys the Lovely. The the same messure the Lysene are rather obsessed with the physical heritage of Valyria so assassinating any highborn of breeding age is considered crass. Note that this does not include infants as much as the elderly. So if one magister is trying to send a message to another, first he kills a favored slave (or pet), then an important freeman servant, and then a parent or young child... lovely people as you can see.

The fact that its open season on the elderly also means that the leaders of Lys tend to be younger than the norm, which also plays on their adoration of beauty. That said when one does become an old statesman (or stateswoman) and keeps power that is a sign of either deep paranoia, great cleverness or more likely both.

Speaking of the above Lys also maintains perhaps the greatest involvement of women in high politics of any of the free cities, save perhaps Braavos. While women are not technically allowed to hold the position of Archon (unlike in Volantis) powerful female heads of houses have multiple in the past raised a puppet to the Purple (that is the color of the archon's robes).

On that note the current archon is one Luceas Artaris, a man of 45 and nearing the usual retirement age. No that's not code for murder, stepping down, to allow younger more energetic, and less likely to be murdered successors, is an accepted part of the political process. There is talk that Luceas' daughter is planing to put her bother and lover Jaelar on the 'throne'. Jaelar is known to partake of quite of Red Lotus quite a lot, making him far from the sharpest dagger in the drawer, but he is still presentable.

House Artaris are spicers who deal mostly with the east and represent a broader coalition of the Forty Families with similar economic interests. The other two factions at this point in time are
  1. The slavers (currently going through a bit of a rough spot on account of a mad pirate in the stepstones:V) who are struggling to rally behind one leader
  2. The bankers who are lead by a seemingly unsinspired but still living man of sixty
There was also a third faction, so called Wine and Steel, for their interests in both wines and military industry, but they suffered the most in the failed coup a few weeks ago when the spicers made their move bribing the sellswords to 'clean house' starting with their traditional backers.
 
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Eh, I really doubt this would fly. It might have if we hadn't made slavers persona non grata, but we've likely cost Lys who knows how much in trade, in blood and in influence. Heck, Saan was said to be their man, now he's ours.

I wouldn't be surprised if they downright despise us, for we're the biggest threat since the Band of Nine. No, we're worse than that, for while the Band of Nine might have been mighty, they were no bullshithax sorcerers with a hateboner for slavery. I wasn't joking when I said they'd have to be as gullible as Lysa to buy this load of horseshit disguised as pearls.

Them despising us isn't an obstacle for that strategy. This is Lys, where you smile at your enemies and poison them in their sleep. They will smile, agree, and plan to stab us in the back when we are distracted in Westeros. That's always been the strategy, to create an obvious opening that they would want to go for, but never get the opportunity to take advantage of.
 

Wait, Lys has an Archon? Isn't that a Tyroshi fad, itself stemming from the Valyrian Freehold, likely on some sort of military basis? I doubt that Lys would have the same, as they were not founded as a military outpost, but a pleasure barge that just so happens to be stationary, a paradise or resort. An Archon is a position of singular authority, it fits Tyrosh, but Lys? Eh...
 
Okay, four factions, with the Spicers on the rise, the bankers holding, and the slavers and Wine and Steel on the decline. This is actually pretty good, since the Spicers interest in far flung trade matches our own and are going through a transition, and the Wine and Steel faction will be scrambling to recover, giving us openings to influence them.

This is workable.
 
Is there such a thing as immunity to poison? We should hold a feast, and invite everyone, then lavishly eat and drink everything we are offered.
While they sweat in their seats.
 
looks pretty straightforward. Send Glyra and Maelor to raise merry hell with the slavers faction. Hopefully so much so that they cant even organize a response.

Find this lady, and her brother. Promise them the purple if they dont put up a huge fight.

Find this sixty year old dude, and promise him immortality, and actual rule of the city to behave and not try to overthrow us.
 
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