I'd stall any actual intervention in Europe for a year, using the time to build up the more professional part of the army and letting the war exhaustion and debt build up among the combatants.
Paths of Civilization II: Paths of Industrialization
- Location
- Illinois
So, something nobody has talked about, what is the plant that's causing trouble in Siberia?
It's not going to turn out to be an addictive drug, right?
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
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- Austria
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Maybe ten or twenty years, but that's hardly any time. Wars can be quite profitable, and more than that, the prestige of victory is quite important.
This is not an age where you should just sit around peacefully because you don't want to spend money going to war, this is a time where you need to hammer down the borders of your nation - and seizing access to the Pacific is a treasure worth going to war for all by itself.
Why did the British - a thallasocratic empire - claim every island they could?
Why did the USA - a thallasocratic empire - steal every island it could and claim the rest?
Reach. Basing. The ability to project power and tell other nations that you can, in fact, reach out and touch them if you have to.
Isolationism is what fucked the old Ymaryn empire and you want to go straight back to that?
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Unknown at this point what exactly is going on there, you will probably find out more later.
It... You know, given the shape of the nation it could easily be opium poppies.
Good points.
So, with the knowledge that DI costs nothing but PW, why exactly do we vote for temp IC instead of PW to get the real deal or, perhaps more wisely if it's needed, SoL to keep happiness high? @Academia Nut, do we lose current temp Cons at the beginning of the next turn? And is current temp SoL from nobility bonus? I can't quite parse the last sentence.
- Location
- Hell
[X] [Kyberi] 1 PW - Send in proper negotiators and scholars to sort it all out (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, situation resolved, ???)
[X] [Crisis] 0 PW - Remain neutral and watch (-1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp IC
The paying vote makes me nervous. Nothing is free
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] [Crisis] 2 PW - Declare war on the Tortun Republic
[X] [Crisis] 0 PW - Remain neutral and watch (-1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp IC
The paying vote makes me nervous. Nothing is free
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] [Crisis] 2 PW - Declare war on the Tortun Republic
HanEmpire
Delicious
I say it's marijuana. It originated in Central Asia, with entire fields of hemp growing in places. Our colonists likely tried to clear them for farmland or something.
Aabcehmu
Confusion as a Natural State of Being
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- Aurora, CO
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- Any/All
Fortunately, IIRC anyway, even our common folk desire our forests, since a decent number of them make their living from them. A reminder than land lost to western rebels will see infrastructure burned and food stolen to feed their armies (who would roll through and leave only a thin line for defense, probably) would probably make even local republican agitators uncomfortable.
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
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- Austria
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Say, @Academia Nut, does Diego Garcia have an equivalent in this world?
We can also have access to that ocean via that little purple strip on the map between Khem and Black Sheep, which I think corresponds to a large river.
We can also make the canal and diplo-annex Khem, which.
We've had those for thousands of years.
LoserThree
Finds writing poorly easy
- Location
- Greater Seattle Area
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- he/him
[X] [Kyberi] 1 PW - Sendin proper negotiators and scholars to sort it all out (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, situation resolved, ???)
[X] [Crisis] 1 PW - Send aid to the Kielmyr (-1 temp SoL, +1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp SoL
There'll come a reckoning, with social upheaval, chaos, and the end to the current government. That'll be needed to go on.
BUT FIRST, THE EAST!
[X] [Crisis] 1 PW - Send aid to the Kielmyr (-1 temp SoL, +1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp SoL
There'll come a reckoning, with social upheaval, chaos, and the end to the current government. That'll be needed to go on.
BUT FIRST, THE EAST!
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There is probably a small chain of islands in the Monsoon Sea that the Hespranxer have used as a resupply post that the Sketch might like.
Cornuthaum
Be kind to each other.
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- Austria
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I'm hearing is "we should take these for our own Thallasocratic Ambitions", then. Good good.
@Academia Nut
A question from the Discord:
Can we use diplomacy to ask our neighbours for help in modernizing our economy? Like the Kielmyr?
A question from the Discord:
Can we use diplomacy to ask our neighbours for help in modernizing our economy? Like the Kielmyr?
10ebbor10
DON'T PANIC
- Location
- Present
Yeah, I guess there's really no need not to do, especially since there are no complicated timing rules to mess stuff up.
Edit: Technically there's narrative benefit of weakening the guilds I think.
[X] [Kyberi] 1 PW - Send in proper negotiators and scholars to sort it all out (-1 Temp Happiness, +1 Temp Consciousness, situation resolved, ???)
[X] [Crisis] 1 PW - Send aid to the Kielmyr (-1 temp SoL, +1 Temp Trust)
[X] [Paying] 0 PW - Bank and Business Fun
-[X] [Paying] +1 Temp SoL
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Still don't get why people value +1 temp IC more than +1 permanent IC (not usable for 1 turn, via +1 PW -> Develop Industry)
Are we really that desperate that we need to take all the Kyberi land next turn? Doing so over the next 2-3 turns seems safer and smarter and gives us more permanent stats.
Are we really that desperate that we need to take all the Kyberi land next turn? Doing so over the next 2-3 turns seems safer and smarter and gives us more permanent stats.
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Yes. Keep Tabs and Diplomatic Outreach can both enable discussion of these sorts of things.
EDIT: Both of which are targetable actions.
keenscythe
No longer NEET
- Location
- WA, USA
Because every turn we delay gives the Nohon a bigger stranglehold on the eastern coast of Kyberia. And Frankly, that is unacceptable.
- Location
- Austria
Because we are not guaranteed to win, and getting into wars without surety of victory is counterproductive.
Case in point: IRL Russo-Japanese war.
Unless you think it's all going to be claimed by the end of next turn, that's irrelevant.
Over 2 turns it's the same value, and after 3 we start turning a profit (assuming beneficial rounding.)
- Location
- Austria
Why on Earth do you keep assuming we will win all those conflicts you so crave for?
Wars do not bring profit, victories do.
It's a gamble, though. A lot of nations lost big going to war. It may be worth it, I just want us to keep the costs in mind.
Not really, but I'd like to focus our efforts on the Indian Ocean and Central Asia, with a wary eye on Europe. There's zero reason to be seizing islands all over the place.