It would certainly make sense in that the early Freehold made damn sure to kill or enslave all the true dragons they could find and even wipe their memory from existence. Given this the thought of them worshiping dragons is very unlikely... but not impossible given the cunning of dragons.
A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover
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It would certainly make sense in that the early Freehold made damn sure to kill or enslave all the true dragons they could find and even wipe their memory from existence. Given this the thought of them worshiping dragons is very unlikely... but not impossible given the cunning of dragons.
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Just for the record, killing 12 HD of enemies with a sword is a total waste of actions for Viserys. He either could kill dozens with a single spell or will be hard pressed to even hurt something stronger with that blade.
The effect is awesome, but we will most likely never see it trigger. With nobody able to take the sword except Viserys, it's junk the moment he picks it up.
The effect is awesome, but we will most likely never see it trigger. With nobody able to take the sword except Viserys, it's junk the moment he picks it up.
Crake
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I actually contemplated having it given to Jon, but you know what?
I've kind of given up hope of us ever getting our hands on Blackfyre, or me even convincing all of you to let Viserys wield it by the time it comes around, probably for some stupid reason like "he doesn't need it... HEY... you know who could use it?"
Because that's what always happens. So fuck that. I'll die on the hill I choose. Let's give Viserys a longsword already. It's an ancestral weapon. Aside from the Sword of Kings, there won't be another blade worthy of him.
I've kind of given up hope of us ever getting our hands on Blackfyre, or me even convincing all of you to let Viserys wield it by the time it comes around, probably for some stupid reason like "he doesn't need it... HEY... you know who could use it?"
Because that's what always happens. So fuck that. I'll die on the hill I choose. Let's give Viserys a longsword already. It's an ancestral weapon. Aside from the Sword of Kings, there won't be another blade worthy of him.
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Well, the higher we level the easier it would be to trigger that...
[X] Azel
It's unlikely that he gets Longclaw.
Things won't happen as canon, he might not even join the Watch.
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tarrangar
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Is Tyene a valid wielder of Dark Sister? The Martells have Targaryan blood, and it's not like a sword is going to care about legitimacy, so it depends on how it define someone as being Targaryan enough.
Sure. We have not had a proper non-party interlude for some time.
Too distant. It would be like handing the sword to a random dragonseed.
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[X] Viserys: The Sorcerer Spell Combat (As Magus class feature) ???
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No, since Viserys will face ever stronger monsters that he is ever less likely to hit with his Sorc BAB or is better suited to rend with his own claws.
And killing chaff to power it up? Even if DP would let us feed it with peasants, we would need 4-6 rounds of killing lvl 2-3 chaff with full attacks to trigger that.
In the same amount of time Viserys could incinerate hundreds with spells alone instead of wasting part of his actions on swording.
Crake
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@DragonParadox, in response to your response to my theory, is that confirmation that aside from Viserys, none of the Old Blood (the dragonblooded sorcerers, like the Consul that Daelor met at the end of that one dragon dream) ever made it to level 10 of the PrC?
I was about to say, you confirmed that there were epic spell casters, which made me confused about how a society that knew of and would abide dragonbloods running around holding high offices, yet brutally suppressed any and all information on True Dragons could be a thing. Which is further called into question by how Aebis, our first dragonpen, was aware of them, suggesting that it wasn't very well censored in the first place. Not enough that powerful, educated mages, or hell those same Dragonbloods who draw from distant memories of their ancestors, would not know.
So what was the playbook here? A really rare PrC that was never brought to its full potential, in favor of other ones which broke threshold into Epic territory? Or is it just not talked about because any that ascended into True Dragonhood were subsequently targeted by their peers out of fear?
The narrative gets muddled here, I get that it's intentional, but Viserys has more pieces than anyone on the planet who isn't a deity to fit together.
I was about to say, you confirmed that there were epic spell casters, which made me confused about how a society that knew of and would abide dragonbloods running around holding high offices, yet brutally suppressed any and all information on True Dragons could be a thing. Which is further called into question by how Aebis, our first dragonpen, was aware of them, suggesting that it wasn't very well censored in the first place. Not enough that powerful, educated mages, or hell those same Dragonbloods who draw from distant memories of their ancestors, would not know.
So what was the playbook here? A really rare PrC that was never brought to its full potential, in favor of other ones which broke threshold into Epic territory? Or is it just not talked about because any that ascended into True Dragonhood were subsequently targeted by their peers out of fear?
The narrative gets muddled here, I get that it's intentional, but Viserys has more pieces than anyone on the planet who isn't a deity to fit together.
tarrangar
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Personally I would have ruled that a random dragonseed could wield it too, I mean their genetics should be no more different from the Targaryans of old than ours, okay a few generations more due to all the incest in the main line, but it should just be as if they were a few generations further away.
Crake
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It is (or rather will be) an intelligent sword, it can make actual judgement calls on how much of a Targ someone is.
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The point is kinda moot when it is locked into the first user anyway.
Callimg it now, we will abandon the blade in a hurry and multi-cast instead of using it against anything.
egoo
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Huh.
You know, guys, I just had an idea.
I believe that Viserys should propose to Lya before level 15.
Just so both of them will know that this is a well thought-out and weighted decision (however little thinking and weighing it actually requires) and not a result of Viserys' dragon instincts going full-power with getting capstone.
Just, you know, to not get unnecessary drama.
However narratively fitting it is.
You know, guys, I just had an idea.
I believe that Viserys should propose to Lya before level 15.
Just so both of them will know that this is a well thought-out and weighted decision (however little thinking and weighing it actually requires) and not a result of Viserys' dragon instincts going full-power with getting capstone.
Just, you know, to not get unnecessary drama.
However narratively fitting it is.
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To be fair, when in human form and after we have Spellsurge we can cast two spells per round and do a full attack.
That's situational, very much so, but not as much as either Dany meleeing dragons or Rhaella fighting something where a magic sword can make a difference.
Giving it Viserys is propably the best of the given options.
Jon might be better off though.
egoo
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You know, guys, one day we can just give it to Jon. After we exorcise the fuck of his bitchy spirit-guardian, of course.
And after the entirety of Westeros is under our control too.
Will be a very meaningful gesture, and also will likely be far more useful for him than for any of ourlittle party
And after the entirety of Westeros is under our control too.
Will be a very meaningful gesture, and also will likely be far more useful for him than for any of our
tarrangar
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Rhaella fighting something where a magic sword can make a difference isn't situational, it's simply in the future, once she has retrained her levels, she's probably going to be leading one of our baby adventurer groups for a time, while part of such a group, she will certainly have use for a magic sword.
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So I finally caught up and I don't really like any of the options.
Viserys because I can't ever see him using it effectively, Azel has effectively stated my thoughts on us killing 12 HD of enemies, explicitly in combat and not as a sacrifice.
All to get the effect of an optional material component we can pick up for ~50gp.
+1/2 caster level is common as dirt if you need it just for the day/casting (granted it's restricted to a school or subtype of spell).
@TotallyNotEvil seems very excited about the effect but I haven't seen him weigh in on the likelihood of it occurring.
Dany because I don't want to ever see her use it effectively. The first time she one ups Richard in story there's no turning back, we can't just forget the 8 year old out swords the Sworn Sword even if she puts everything into that with templates and buffs etc. Richard puts his everything into it everyday.
Rhaella is the least offensive but also a meh option, the visual of a self directing sword is always cool but what is she gonna do with it?
If this was anything other than an heirloom I'd be voting to sell it or try to alter it into something more useful.
Jon Snow is even less worthy than Rhaella
[X] No Idea
Viserys because I can't ever see him using it effectively, Azel has effectively stated my thoughts on us killing 12 HD of enemies, explicitly in combat and not as a sacrifice.
All to get the effect of an optional material component we can pick up for ~50gp.
+1/2 caster level is common as dirt if you need it just for the day/casting (granted it's restricted to a school or subtype of spell).
@TotallyNotEvil seems very excited about the effect but I haven't seen him weigh in on the likelihood of it occurring.
Dany because I don't want to ever see her use it effectively. The first time she one ups Richard in story there's no turning back, we can't just forget the 8 year old out swords the Sworn Sword even if she puts everything into that with templates and buffs etc. Richard puts his everything into it everyday.
Rhaella is the least offensive but also a meh option, the visual of a self directing sword is always cool but what is she gonna do with it?
If this was anything other than an heirloom I'd be voting to sell it or try to alter it into something more useful.
Jon Snow is even less worthy than Rhaella
[X] No Idea
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Crake
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Why bother at that point, when it would almost certainly fuck with the enchantments that make it special in the first place?
Might as well give him a new sword custom made for him at that point.
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Thing is that I would have greatly preferred the Sacrifice Spear-Staff. Take Dark Sister for now, then hand it to someone else once we managed to improve the pimp-cane. Would have been a neat excuse to get to know Oberyn better even.
But now, that plan would basically toss Dark Sister on the garbage pile.
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honestly we should propose to lya today it is valentines 
AND I GIVE FUCK ALL CARES TO WHAT OUR MOM THINKS ABOUT IT.
AND I GIVE FUCK ALL CARES TO WHAT OUR MOM THINKS ABOUT IT.
Crake
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I'm content with locking the thing in a vault. It's probably the only thing you guys will eventually settle on doing with Blackfyre if we ever got our hands on it... thanks to indecision. The bane of all votes which should ordinarily be really goddamned straight forward.