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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Deliste said:
His speciality is the worst one and it stops working right around this level. Blasting at LVL 15 doesn't seem to work unless you're doing nothing else at all and don't mind the binary state of useless/everyone else is useless ala Mailman builds.

There's more than one reason we've used Baleful Polymorph ever since we got it.
When was the last time we used Firebrand without "because the neg to saves and possible prone can really help our actual non-hp dependant strategy"?

The 1 point of damage would be nice if it lasted rounds or something like some spells, still guts us mid battle but we can get creative in the morning without being a cripple by evening and we still obviously have to spend the slots etc.



DP says Glyra, I choose to believe it was a joint effort. How can one person achieve such art?




Brilliant. Put it on the schedule and it will naturally never happen.

[X] Crake

Thanks Crake

@DragonParadox

I can't speak for anyone else obviously, but a big part of the reason I'm so salty and protectionist about the location of our plane is that we haven't even hit canon yet.

If we get inundated with every planar dipstick that wants to joyride across Planetos I see it as the final nail in the coffin of the ASoIaF portion of this ASoIaF/DnD quest.

We may as well have just begun the quest with "You meet in a tavern."
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Isn't "Canon" Still like 6-8 years away?

If you think the world will be anything close to canon in that time frame, even without any sort of planar activity, I have a bridge to sell you.
I'm pretty sure the thread has plans to conquer the world and be off to challenge the Sultan by then, making any sort of complaints about "canon" rather moot.
 
Crake said:
Sigh... they're going to give us the shaft. And then we're gonna have to fight all comers. And it is going to claim thousands. And then we are going to be angered by that, and kill them where they live.

I just want trade partners, why do we have to kill them inevitably? :(
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This sort of world-policing is really getting over the top by now.

We are getting extraplanar influences anyway, no need to fight it at literally every step. We can't protect the entire world.

And if we eventually conquer the world it will be more interesting to take over some non-human realms besides the human ones.

I really don't get that panik-making you did tonight. If your vote wins a happy little Air-princess will be a bit sadder and that's not acceptable to me.
 
[X] Speak to Embra yourself
-[X] Explain that you are keeping the location of your home closely guarded secret. She has heard how much strife reigns there and how pigheaded morons sometimes react to any kind of magic. There already are some forces from other planes trying to invade and you are greatly worried of what someone like the Sultan of Brass would do, if he learned about a plane full of easily harvested souls to turn into Living Brass.
-[X] You would be honored to have her as a guest for the festival your kingdom will hold in a few days, but you must insist on an oath of secrecy, lest the agents of far less wholesome polities then hers learn of the location of Planetos.

Just remembered that I forgot to vote.
I have no problem with bringing a foreign dignitary to our festival.
Plus, I imagine she will get along quite well with Mercy and Aradia.
 
It seriously would have caused a political headache I would have been forced to conclude "I TOLD YOU SO" if it happened.
 
Is it racist to just assume the Air-aligned person will get along with our Air-aligned Arcanums?
Like assuming all black people will get along well if you introduce them to your black friend or something like that?
 
Raichu1972 said:
Isn't "Canon" Still like 6-8 years away?

If you think the world will be anything close to canon in that time frame, even without any sort of planar activity, I have a bridge to sell you.
I'm pretty sure the thread has plans to conquer the world and be off to challenge the Sultan by then, making any sort of complaints about "canon" rather moot.
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I understand that but I want to conquer *Planetos not Generic Material Plane #257.

I want to deal with *Westerlands and *Karstarks and *Littlefinger plots and *Slaver's Bay not Djinn plot#1-999

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In this case, maybe not. Mercy maybe. But Aradia seems to be more of a loner. And both aren't really Goodie Two Shoes like her, one is just more gregarious and people oriented than the other.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Is it racist to just assume the Air-aligned person will get along with our Air-aligned Arcanums?
Like assuming all black people will get along well if you introduce them to your black friend or something like that?
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I wouldn't say it's racist specifically, since outsiders have a concept as a part of their core being.

When I mentioned Mercy and Aradia, I mostly thought they would get along because both Mercy and Embera like helping people and are rather mischievous, while Embera and Aradia both like to fly free and wander around and stuff.

They just seem like they would share similar interests is all.
 
Raichu1972 said:
I wouldn't say it's racist specifically, since outsiders have a concept as a part of their core being.

When I mentioned Mercy and Aradia, I mostly thought they would get along because both Mercy and Embera like helping people and are rather mischievous, while Embera and Aradia both like to fly free and wander around and stuff.

They just seem like they would share similar interests is all.
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Like Black people and Koreans, it's not racist to think we might enjoy a meal together when we both love fried chicken :p
 
Deliste said:
I understand that but I want to conquer *Planetos not Generic Material Plane #257.

I want to deal with *Westerlands and *Karstarks and *Littlefinger plots and *Slaver's Bay not Djinn plot#1-999

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Isn't that chance kinda lost in the very idea of the setting?

Karstarks as in canon are not a relevant threat to us.
Karstarks may become a relevant threat by enhancing them with magic.
Most sensible way to do so would be to have them work with Outsiders/Fey/etc.
So we are back to Outsider-plot #21.

The only other way for canon-character to become relevant without being part of a non-ASOIAF-beings plot is PC-hood and that is rare enough that it can't cover entire regions and political groups, only individuals.
Even training mages doesn't really make a difference, since level 3/4 Sorcs from the Lannisters are not going to beat an actually PC party anytime soon.
 
Deliste said:
"Luck"

The "Our Origins" thing just seems to get pounded into inconvenient updates time and time again and deals we make get twisted "oh Aberi may have promised not to share the location, but he still could"

It's the same feel I got from Rhaella resurrection every two BloodRaven updates despite how clear we were that wasn't wanted and then once she was resurrected her not just waiting 5 godsdamned minutes besides being told between occasions of us saving the world that we could really use 5 godsdamned minutes.

We avoid something and it pops up 5 different ways that stretch SoD.
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Punching people with fire , while impressive is ultimately boring. Rhaella resurrection was a great read.

Having people in the quest that are not NPCs is what make this quest great. Agency in general is a good thing. Sure it make things harder but it also make them more interesting. And in the end it's all that matter.
 
Artemis1992 said:
Isn't that chance kinda lost in the very idea of the setting?

Karstarks as in canon are not a relevant threat to us.
Karstarks may become a relevant threat by enhancing them with magic.
Most sensible way to do so would be to have them work with Outsiders/Fey/etc.
So we are back to Outsider-plot #21.

The only other way for canon-character to become relevant without being part of a non-ASOIAF-beings plot is PC-hood and that is rare enough that it can't cover entire regions and political groups, only individuals.
Even training mages doesn't really make a difference, since level 3/4 Sorcs from the Lannisters are not going to beat an actually PC party anytime soon.
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Even if it's as simple as that I'd prefer that Littlefinger make a deal with some power he seeks out rather than an entire external polity coming in and doing its own thing with motivations centric to it's greater off-plane holdings, it wouldn't even make sense for a much more advanced society to include familiar faces in their plots (as poor a substitution as that would be for retaining the feel of Planetos) when they have perfectly good Outsiders.

Bigger, faster, smarter, stronger, wiser and more numerous and more content in their slavery Outsiders.

So we may never see Littlefinger or anyone else we've been waiting years to get involved with in some form or another.
 
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Karmic Acumen said:
I mean, just look at recent events. The divination that allowed that random caravan to show up just after we cleared the Rotstone jerks is the kind that transcends temporal, planar and causal barriers. Whoever cast it managed to find out that we'd come from a different, random plane (the Lost Plane of Balance even). They also knew exactly when we'd do it days and days before the turn vote was even written. Thirdly, it doesn't help that our decision to clear the passage was, in fact, a snap decisions of our own this time.
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"When is this passage unblocked". No need for getting more complicated.
 
We should sell ourselves into slavery.

It's the option most people living off plane would prefer. :V
Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Feb 5, 2018 at 2:23 AM, finished with 149152 posts and 21 votes.
  • [X] Plan Crake, This Time Less is More
    -[X] During our approach of the Opaline Vault, tentatively broach Embra's interest in visiting our home.
    -[X] Explain that it may be best to wait until we have initiated formal talks between that of our realm and the realm of the Djinn before making a visit.
    -[X] If she tries to point out that she could get us in contact with her father, and through him Sultan Zafer, point out that we have been putting out fires for what has essentially been years, that we could take the time to undertake this trade mission took was what is essentially considerable planning. Yes, this fudges the truth a little, but we are trying to convince her that A) she will be able to see our home plane, within an agreeable timeframe. B) She will be responsible for putting us into contact with those who could use this information best. And C) Because of B, it would likely greatly impress her father and the Sultan that she be responsible for opening up relations with a friendly foreign power.
    -[X] For any definites on timeframe, claim we are embroiled in a conflict which first must be resolved before engaging in diplomacy with the courts of the Djinn and Shaitan. It's true, after all. We're caught up in dozens of conflicts.
    [X] Let the matter lie for now
    [X] Speak to Embra yourself
    -[X] Explain that you are keeping the location of your home closely guarded secret. She has heard how much strife reigns there and how pigheaded morons sometimes react to any kind of magic. There already are some forces from other planes trying to invade and you are greatly worried of what someone like the Sultan of Brass would do, if he learned about a plane full of easily harvested souls to turn into Living Brass.
    -[X] You would be honored to have her as a guest for the festival your kingdom will hold in a few days, but you must insist on an oath of secrecy, lest the agents of far less wholesome polities then hers learn of the location of Planetos.
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Adhoc vote count started by Crake on Feb 5, 2018 at 2:25 AM, finished with 149154 posts and 21 votes.
  • [X] Plan Crake, This Time Less is More
    -[X] During our approach of the Opaline Vault, tentatively broach Embra's interest in visiting our home.
    -[X] Explain that it may be best to wait until we have initiated formal talks between that of our realm and the realm of the Djinn before making a visit.
    -[X] If she tries to point out that she could get us in contact with her father, and through him Sultan Zafer, point out that we have been putting out fires for what has essentially been years. That we could take the time to undertake this trade mission had taken what was essentially considerable planning. Yes, this fudges the truth a little, but we are trying to convince her that A) she will be able to see our home plane, within an agreeable timeframe. B) She will be responsible for putting us into contact with those who could use this information best. And C) Because of B, it would likely greatly impress her father and the Sultan that she be responsible for opening up relations with a friendly foreign power.
    -[X] For any definites on timeframe, claim we are embroiled in a conflict which first must be resolved before engaging in diplomacy with the courts of the Djinn and Shaitan. It's true, after all. We're caught up in dozens of conflicts.
    [X] Let the matter lie for now
    [X] Speak to Embra yourself
    -[X] Explain that you are keeping the location of your home closely guarded secret. She has heard how much strife reigns there and how pigheaded morons sometimes react to any kind of magic. There already are some forces from other planes trying to invade and you are greatly worried of what someone like the Sultan of Brass would do, if he learned about a plane full of easily harvested souls to turn into Living Brass.
    -[X] You would be honored to have her as a guest for the festival your kingdom will hold in a few days, but you must insist on an oath of secrecy, lest the agents of far less wholesome polities then hers learn of the location of Planetos.
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Deliste said:
His speciality is the worst one and it stops working right around this level. Blasting at LVL 15 doesn't seem to work unless you're doing nothing else at all and don't mind the binary state of useless/everyone else is useless ala Mailman builds.

There's more than one reason we've used Baleful Polymorph ever since we got it.
When was the last time we used Firebrand without "because the neg to saves and possible prone can really help our actual non-hp dependant strategy"?

The 1 point of damage would be nice if it lasted rounds or something like some spells, still guts us mid battle but we can get creative in the morning without being a cripple by evening and we still obviously have to spend the slots etc.
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It's not just blasting that is indicative of Viserys's built, but also the very impressive spell saves he has. 19+spell level is no joke at this spell level

Deliste said:
@DragonParadox

I can't speak for anyone else obviously, but a big part of the reason I'm so salty and protectionist about the location of our plane is that we haven't even hit canon yet.

If we get inundated with every planar dipstick that wants to joyride across Planetos I see it as the final nail in the coffin of the ASoIaF portion of this ASoIaF/DnD quest.

We may as well have just begun the quest with "You meet in a tavern."
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One of my main purposes in this quest is to blend the two. So if you ever get the feel of "you meet in a tavern" it would mean I have failed miserably.
 
Azel said:
@Raichu1972, @das_slash, @MTB, @Scribbler, @Artemis1992, @tarrangar, @tenchifew

FYI, I'm switching votes.

[X] Crake

We should just stop going to the planes at all...
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I'm not okay with that.

Keeping all foreigners off the Material is really not our job and trying to reach impossible goals there will only lead to dissapointment and Salt.

Please let her visit, there's little lost by that and Djinni and Shaitans would even in the worst case, them coming in larger numbers, be a less harmful influence than the Demons and Deep Ones already there.
 
My main beef with her visiting specifically, without approval from her father, who is a Djinn of considerable influence in Air, is that she would probably be doing it without telling anyone first, off on a lark.

Basically, she's trouble. Well meaning trouble, but she already made an offer that could have had serious repercussions. What's one more? Or two more? Or as many actions that continued to put us in danger for absolutely no gain? Or earn the personal enmity of Sultan Zafer's personal spymaster? The one who plays three dimensional hyper-cyvasse across the multiverse?

Also, Artemis, your usual stance is "more chaos/less fetters is great". I think you would have even preferred if we hadn't tried being a world conquerer and had just wandered around Planetos being a murderhobo rather than waste time playing politics.

I'm not saying nobody agrees with you, for we all know there will be a number of people who just want to go on adventures, smack down threats, and sit on a big old pile of gold/magic items.

But if you want to do that and conquer nations at the same time, you can't be shooting yourself in the foot all the time. You have to actually seek advantages over other powers.
 
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Crake said:
My main beef with her visiting specifically, without approval from her father, who is a Djinn of considerable influence in Air, is that she would probably be doing it without telling anyone first, off on a lark.

Basically, she's trouble. Well meaning trouble, but she already made an offer that could have had serious repercussions. What's one more? Or two more? Or as many actions that continued to put us in danger for absolutely no gain? Or earn the personal enmity of Sultan Zafer's personal spymaster? The one who plays three dimensional hyper-cyvasse across the multiverse?
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She's Waymar/Glyra/An-energy-field-bigger-than-our-HHD-head.

Nope.
 
Crake said:
My main beef with her visiting specifically, without approval from her father, who is a Djinn of considerable influence in Air, is that she would probably be doing it without telling anyone first, off on a lark.

Basically, she's trouble. Well meaning trouble, but she already made an offer that could have had serious repercussions. What's one more? Or two more? Or as many actions that continued to put us in danger for absolutely no gain? Or earn the personal enmity of Sultan Zafer's personal spymaster? The one who plays three dimensional hyper-cyvasse across the multiverse?

Also, Artemis, your usual stance is "more chaos/less fetters is great". I think you would have even preferred if we hadn't tried being a world conquerer and had just wandered around Planetos being a murderhobo rather than waste time playing politics.

I'm not saying nobody agrees with you, for we all know there will be a number of people who just want to go on adventures, smack down threats, and sit on a big old pile of gold/magic items.

But if you want to do that and conquer nations at the same time, you can't be shooting yourself in the foot all the time. You have to actually seek advantages over other powers.
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I don't see why the CG guys would be angry at us if the girl here does something CG.

I certainly wouldn't blame others for Dany's decisions (one of the reasons I never disliked Tiamat) and I don't think her father would blame us for her decisions and the consequences of them.
 
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