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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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Goldfish said:
Or it is an interpretation of deities as the ultimate Outsiders, fully embodying their alignment in a way that would make a Paladin cringe.

And Bahamut is a Dragon's Dragon, with a worldview to match. From his PoV, Dany was already six years old, no longer even a Wyrmling, but merely Very Young. At that point, she should be smarter and wiser than the vast majority of humankind and fully capable of understanding the dangers of making deals with the Bitch Queen.

He's still a tool, though.
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I'm afraid that Bahamut has been around too long, and Valyria has given Dragons as a whole far too much experience with humans and demihumans, for me to believe that Bahamut doesn't know the ageing differences between dragons and other races. Especially since long life is surely one of the reasons behind his "draconic pride" as it's called. To say nothing of the info packet that should come with being a god.

And it's patently absurd that Bahamut hasn't had human clerics or worshipers before, so it's impossible for him to make the mixup you describe.
 
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AoD_Patr said:
Metamagic feats are the second reason, yes. But spells on demand shouldn't be underestimated. Because of it, sorcerers and oracles with Paragon Surge were counted in the same tier as wizards and the company. There were complains about oracles verging on tier 0 with it. Don't know specifics, probably something to sidestep the action economy problem.
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Spontaneous divine spell-list casting with the ability to instantly acquire new spells on demand. There's a reason that at high levels a properly PrC'd Favoured Soul can be more feared than a cheesed Cleric. Also the ability to use the feat that grants you an additional Mystery to cycle Mysteries without ever running out of uses.

To name but two. It was just obscene.

Tip: That reason is called 'I just cast Miracle seven times and I can go for another five+ more. Come at me bro."
 
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Karmic Acumen said:
I'm afraid that Bahamut has been around too long, and Valyria has given Dragons as a whole far too much experience with humans and demihumans, for me to believe that Bahamut doesn't know the ageing differences between dragons and other races. Especially since long life is surely one of the reasons behind his "draconic pride" as it's called. To say nothing of the info packet that should come with being a god.

And it's patently absurd that Bahamut hasn't had human clerics before, so it's impossible for him to make the mixup you describe.
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I actually agree with you on all those points. I was just presenting an alternate explanation. For example, the Tiamat in this setting is not the same Tiamat in some of the other D&D settings.

I still think that the Planetos setting DP has built for us might be in the far distant past of the traditional D&D or Pathfinder settings. If this is the case, Tiamat might be Chaotic Evil because she hasn't had untold eons to calm down from being Batshit Crazy, and Bahamut might not have mellowed out, or been exposed to very many humans on a personal level.
 
Dany likely also metaphysically reads as dragon, as well. She did trade her childhood for adult mental stats.
 
Goldfish said:
I still think that the Planetos setting DP has built for us might be in the far distant past of the traditional D&D or Pathfinder settings. If this is the case, Tiamat might be Chaotic Evil because she hasn't had untold eons to calm down from being Batshit Crazy, and Bahamut might not have mellowed out, or been exposed to very many humans on a personal level.
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Didn't we killed some of Tiamat's minions that look like humanoid dragons? If would be interesting to know if the Abishai registered as devil or demon.

Also the day we meet Bahamut I want to show him Yss' bitching temple and how fat the snek is :V

Business partners are obviously better than suplicants.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know, Richard not flying is bothersome with a small party. I know how we can help tho: craft a Dragonscale Cloak!

It's usually a relic, made from the scales of the five colors. Guess what relic-worthy dragon corpse with five colored scales we have sitting around?
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Okay, we are absolutely doing this. I want research going into how to make this thing the very next turn. And the best part is that with Ser Richard's inherent Mindblank it no-sells most of Tiamat's attempts at scrying. :D
Abhishek M said:
Also about the reward. Why do I get the feeling that the thing broke up into Blue Ice. Should be thematically fitting. And useless for arming the Children for a variety of reasons which is why we wanted a dragon encounter in the first place.
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Yeah, I was super disappointed about this. :( Not only did we get cheated out of a dragon corpse for loot, we didn't even get a proper trophy because the damn thing had the audacity to melt when it died.

I am going to get Lya to fabricate a statue to take its place in the trophy collection. For that matter, I also want to have her fabricate a statue of the Nightmare Dragon we solo'd.
 
@Duesal If you'd wait a bit, we can get our hands on some of that ice that never melts.

Nothing says "I take tremendous pride in my victories" like crafting a monument to one of them out of fabulously rare magical materials.
 
TotallyNotEvil said:
You know, Richard not flying is bothersome with a small party. I know how we can help tho: craft a Dragonscale Cloak!

It's usually a relic, made from the scales of the five colors. Guess what relic-worthy dragon corpse with five colored scales we have sitting around?
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Duesal said:
Okay, we are absolutely doing this. I want research going into how to make this thing the very next turn. And the best part is that with Ser Richard's inherent Mindblank it no-sells most of Tiamat's attempts at scrying. :D
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I've been advocating us making a permanent or at-will flight item for Richard off and on now since last May or June, I think. Glad to see more of ya'll getting on board with that.
 
Crake said:
@Duesal If you'd wait a bit, we can get our hands on some of that ice that never melts.

Nothing says "I take tremendous pride in my victories" like crafting a monument to one of them out of fabulously rare magical materials.
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That's what I was intending to do, actually. DP told me I could use that stuff to fabricate a statue when I complained about no White Dragon corpse. :p It will make a pretty great trophy. The Nightmare Dragon can be marble, though.
Goldfish said:
I've been advocating us making a permanent or at-will flight item for Richard off and on now since last May or June, I think. Glad to see more of ya'll getting on board with that.
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Ser Richard deserves an artifact-worthy flight item.

By the way, I cannot say this enough, I love our new weirwood staff. That alone would have been enough reason for coming north.
 
[X] Snowfire

You know what, I'm going to do a reread of the quest and figure out all the things we need Lya to Fabricate statues out of to stand-in for proper trophies.

There's this Frost Dragon, the Nightmare Dragon, the Mallor, etc.
 
I just realized that--when Rhaella is up for it--our budding trophy collection is going to be perfect for story-telling.

She wanted us to tell her everything and got slightly upset when she realized we were holding back?

Alright then.

Say hello to the stuffed Cornugon.
 
Snowfire said:
It's your civic duty!
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You know, I'm starting to see it now. If you concentrate on the white of your pic and you de focus your eyes, your pic resembles the face of some sort of gruff, scandinavian (and very metal) fox terrier, if such a thing exists...

Ehh...

[X] Snowfire

Voted for you though, everything is okay!
 
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Duesal said:
I just realized that--when Rhaella is up for it--our budding trophy collection is going to be perfect for story-telling.

She wanted us to tell her everything and got slightly upset when she realized we were holding back?

Alright then.

Say hello to the stuffed Cornugon.
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"And here is one of the most elite soldiers of the Nine Hells, even more dangerous than that dragon me and Dany fought beyond the wall. Ser Richard killed it in a single blow."
 
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iggyfan said:
"And here is one of the most elite soldiers of the Nine Hells, even more dangerous than that dragon me and Dany fought beyond the wall. Ser Richard killed it in a single blow."
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Actually, the Frost Dragon is the most dangerous thing we have ever fought, period. Other things? They could kill us more easily, perhaps. This Frost Dragon could have erased us from existence.
 
You know, Yss really puts Rhaella's fears of mercantilist reputation... in an even more absurd line. I'm trying and failing to find a way to tell her that we literally don't have time to care about the opinions of some lords because we are literally arranging a transaction with three different pantheons of Gods at the same time.

Mercantilism..? Viserys sees Gods as partners. Not beings to worship or rage against, but as legitimate (if powerful) partners. The fact that he does not even think this is worthy of thought (seriously, its just a fact of life to his head narrative) makes the concerns even more aburd in perspective.
 
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