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A Sword Without a Hilt: A Song of Ice and Fire/D&D 3.5 Crossover

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LockedMind said:
It's from Dragonlance, which was basically homebrew for a long time, no wonder it is full of such bullshit. :mad:

DP mentioned a loooong time ago that Bahamut is alive and that he would resurrect Viserys if Dany rejected Tiamat's deal. Some kind of secret-test-of-character bullshit.
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I think this was Bahamut being depicted as stupid good, honestly, which is a shame. Who LETS their archnemesis sink their claws into the one cleric candidate of any importance? Especially a child! Is his wisdom score 3 or what? And how is that a Good action again, given Dany's age at the time (and even now)? Because it bears repeating. o_O
 
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Azel said:
That's a lot like saying he is the weakest heavy-weight boxer on the schoolyard.
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Ah, the advantages of walking around like its the Time of Troubles while everyone is playing through 56kbps dial-up.
LockedMind said:
DP mentioned a loooong time ago that Bahamut is alive and that he would resurrect Viserys if Dany rejected Tiamat's deal. Some kind of secret-test-of-character bullshit
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Yeah, the one thing I want with Bahamut is to steal his hoard while he is laughing after we steal Tia-chan's.
LockedMind said:
It's from Dragonlance, which was basically homebrew for a long time, no wonder it is full of such bullshit. :mad:
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They also have essentially Valyrian Steel there.

I dig a lot of the Dragonlance material, at least the classes and spells and feats.
 
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Dragons are proud, metallic or chromatic.

Any candidate that might sell out to Tiamat, just isn't worth their time.
 
Crake said:
Dragons are proud, metallic or chromatic.

Any candidate that might sell out to Tiamat, just isn't worth their time.
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And in the end, neither got a thing.

So there you go. If he had intervened at the same time, or just straight up rezzed Viserys when the others failed without asking for a thing, he'd be where Yss is now, huge temple with gold-veined marble floors, eating demigods and godlings whenever we find them.
 
Well, at least we know what our loot for this Battle is going to be:
Some robes, an enduring amulet of PfE, maybe a wand or some rings, and a small bag of gold coins. RiP cousin Daero.
 
Bahamut, like Tiamat, does not see past the immediacy of any situation. He does not know or place much trust in us becoming SUPREME UPON THE MATERIAL.

It hasn't sunk in that we refuse to lose and will not stop.

Neither realizes they weren't fighting over a worthy servant, they were fighting over a sponsor. A patron.

And why?

Draconic pride.
 
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egoo said:
Looks like Frost Dragon permakilled it and only the infinite library of notes TNE keeps allowed to find mentions of it.
Too bad. Guess you'll have to re-do it?
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*insert moderately grumpy commentary here*

Guess so :V

Also, guys, I know DP's gone to sleep but that's no reason to not vote - or at least give feedback if you think mine has some issues >.<
 
AoD_Patr said:
Now that the battle is over, can someone comment on this?

@TotallyNotEvil, @Goldfish, @Azel ?
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Sorry, I was at work when I saw this earlier this morning. Couldn't comment at the time and then it got lost in the thread updates.

Paragon Surge is very powerful for a 3rd level spell. Being able to temporarily select nearly any feat we want is amazing. If we could convince DP to let us use it, I would argue to do away with the Enhancement bonuses entirely and just have it be a feat-granting spell. The 2nd Heroics spell does something similar, but is limited to Fighter bonus feats. A less limited 3rd level version seems reasonable.

Or maybe we can do something similar to the 1st level Magic of the Dragonheart spell, but rather than merely counting for two Draconic feats, it would instead allow us gain another one temporarily, perhaps with a +2 Enhancement bonus to Strength and Natural Armor? For a 3rd level spell with those limitations, we might even be able to convince him to make it +4 to Strength and Natural Armor.
 
Meanwhile, somewhere below the shivering sea:
Ullitharid: fh'tagn master! it is done, the expedition returned, 200 of our best and brightest died in the ice, but the package was delivered.
Elder Brain: good... good... you may return to your tasks now
Ullitharid: excuse me your squelchiness, but some of the 'quidos want to know, what did your order this? any insight into your grand plans would ease the lost of so fine brains.
Elder Brain: oh, just trust me that this was worth it... fuckers will never figure this one out hehe.
 
Yikadikes. The dragon was even nastier than I expected.

If the only thing that remains is written records that's even more terrifying.
..man I hope that is never a vector our enemies realize to mess with us.

..how're we gonna beef up the wall against that.
We'd need a way to feed an army without working farming.

Maybe plan to build caverns for edible fungus farming?
Once the army is in place, infinite ballistas?
 
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Karmic Acumen said:
I think this was Bahamut being depicted as stupid good, honestly, which is a shame. Who LETS their archnemesis sink their claws into the one cleric candidate of any importance? Especially a child! Is his wisdom score 3 or what? And how is that a Good action again, given Dany's age at the time (and even now)? Because it bears repeating. o_O
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Or it is an interpretation of deities as the ultimate Outsiders, fully embodying their alignment in a way that would make a Paladin cringe.

And Bahamut is a Dragon's Dragon, with a worldview to match. From his PoV, Dany was already six years old, no longer even a Wyrmling, but merely Very Young. At that point, she should be smarter and wiser than the vast majority of humankind and fully capable of understanding the dangers of making deals with the Bitch Queen.

He's still a tool, though.
 
Goldfish said:
Sorry, I was at work when I saw this earlier this morning. Couldn't comment at the time and then it got lost in the thread updates.

Paragon Surge is very powerful for a 3rd level spell. Being able to temporarily select nearly any feat we want is amazing. If we could convince DP to let us use it, I would argue to do away with the Enhancement bonuses entirely and just have it be a feat-granting spell. The 2nd Heroics spell does something similar, but is limited to Fighter bonus feats. A less limited 3rd level version seems reasonable.

Or maybe we can do something similar to the 1st level Magic of the Dragonheart spell, but rather than merely counting for two Draconic feats, it would instead allow us gain another one temporarily, perhaps with a +2 Enhancement bonus to Strength and Natural Armor? For a 3rd level spell with those limitations, we might even be able to convince him to make it +4 to Strength and Natural Armor.
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While feats in general are great and all, that's not why this spell is so powerful.
any one feat for which you meet the prerequisites
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means for a sorcerer Expanded Arcana is available. Yeah, you cast it, and for a 1 min/lvl you have one or two new spells in your spells known. That's why they errata'd it for a fixed feat for a day. (Although the main reason for the nerf wasn't a sorcerer, but an oracle, iirc).
 
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I personally wouldn't want it for the Expanded Arcana. Getting on demand meta-magic would be much greater.

Energy Substitution + another feat would allow us to rapidly shift our damage vector.
Arcane Spell Thesis would be neat too.
 
Azel said:
I thought the same. Grafting this to Viserys would have been so goddamn worth it.

Never again would any Outsider give us any lip.
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This is as good a point as any to bring up the questions I have about Viserys and Dragon grafts, logically they should have greater effects and synergy seeing as the Dragonparts aren't being stuck on a little fleshling but a proper Scaled Lord of Sky and Fire.

Loot harder damnit, Viserys steals not just your hoard but your very Dragonhood and subsumes it into his own.

Like The One but with Dragons instead of Jet Li.

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(not the memory one though, that I don't wamt ever. Would be bloody confusing after)
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Hilarious you mean, screw Tuesdays.

"For you it was the sundering of existence itself, for me I quite literally cannot remember even meeting you.

Also who am I talking to?"
 
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Deliste said:
This is as good a point as any to bring up the questions I have about Viserys and Dragon grafts, logically they should have greater effects and synergy seeing as the Dragonparts aren't being stuck on a little fleshling but a proper Scaled Lord of Sky and Fire.

Loot harder damnit, Viserys steals not just your hoard but your very Dragonblood and subsumes it into his own.

Like The One but with Dragons instead of Jet Li.
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We would need to homebrew that. Dragon grafts suck.
 
Azel said:
I personally wouldn't want it for the Expanded Arcana. Getting on demand meta-magic would be much greater.

Energy Substitution + another feat would allow us to rapidly shift our damage vector.
Arcane Spell Thesis would be neat too.
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Metamagic feats are the second reason, yes. But spells on demand shouldn't be underestimated. Because of it, sorcerers and oracles with Paragon Surge were counted in the same tier as wizards and the company. There were complains about oracles verging on tier 0 with it. Don't know specifics, probably something to sidestep the action economy problem.
 
Azel said:
I thought the same. Grafting this to Viserys would have been so goddamn worth it.

Never again would any Outsider give us any lip.
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On the other hand, it could lead to some very strange occurrences.
Dany: Viserys! did you just burp?
Viserys: what!? no! i was just.... mmm, what was i doing again? oh look! coins! mine!
Dany: Weird, why did we come to tyrosh again?
Viserys: mmm, Tyene wanted a new dress i think.
Dany: Oh yeah, weird what happened to the last one, to catch fire in the middle of the keep, she got so angry she summoned a wall of sand there.
Viserys: yeah, i will tell her to clean it later, can't make the Lar put in extra work for our mistakes.
 
By the Olds Gods... Good thing it was puny against our dice. Still, the Others don't play around if even a puny dragon has true death effects.

Also, @TotallyNotEvil I think it was @dpara who was talking about classes and posted a Dragonrider Class.

Edit: We kind of need votes.

[X] Snowfire
 
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